Death penalty.
 

Thought it might be interesting to see a poll on topic. Private answer.

Pete

None of the above, Pete. Methinks you oversimplify. Or maybe you was just foolin' around a tad.

I wasn't ;) Feel free to expand.

Pete

Ok.... I'll jump in.

I admit, I'm really conflicted about the death penalty.

It cost more than life in prison and I doubt it really deters anyone from similar crimes. And it just seems wrong to me to kill someone.

On the other hand, someone like that guy who held those women for years in Cleveland, would deserve death in my opinion.

We are entirely too kind to convicted murderers. We allow them far too much opportunity to appeal. They should get one, maybe two appeals and then into the blender they go.

So, an innocent one gets through every now and then? Oh, well, s**t happens.

Dave

Guess I'm against it. Don't think I could ever impose that judgment if on a jury. Do think it does not matter what the manner of execution is administered either. Firing squad electric chair hanging ect they all are the same for me. They get the job done so don't matter a hill of beans. If the majority wants the death penalty so be it.

But could see changing my mind and want to do it myself if anything were to hit close to home. So I'm a complicated individual like us all.


Some think I'm kidding but I'm all for solitary confinement bread and water with making smaller rocks out of big ones as exercise in between as the gold standard for a life sentence.




Barney

Only because we tarry about with it, excessively. There is no reason why killing a convicted murderer should cost very much. A bullet through the brain and a box in addition to paying the executioner and someone to mop up the mess. Few hundred bucks, maybe a grand at the most.

Dave

Well Dave, I didn't expect to see the death wish from you. That's a big case too, when you dismiss an innocent victim of the system with a 'shit happens.'

If you don't care about innocent victims, why do you want the murderers dead in the first place?

Seems to me you're being sort of pre-logical here.

If politicians didn't wear their willingness/desire to execute people as a merit badge for their "toughness on crime" (or accuse people who have moral qualms about it as soft on crime), I might be more willing to accept it. I think peoples' enthusiasm for the death penalty will ultimately fade, as it has in all other civilized countries (except Japan to a small degree).

The following 21 countries are believed by Amnesty International to have carried out executions in 2012: Afghanistan (14), Bangladesh (1), Belarus (3+), China (2000+), Gambia (9), India (1), Iran (314+), Iraq (129+), Japan (7), North Korea (6+), Pakistan (1), Palestine (6), Republic of China (6), Saudi Arabia (79+), Somalia (6+), South Sudan (5+), Sudan (19+), UAE (1), USA (43), Yemen (28+).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_..._population.29

Too many innocent people are convicted of murder.

The death penalty has not deterred people from committing murder.

It is time to get rid of it.

Lets give "Live without parole".

Thanks, Finn.
That puts a lot of perspective on the issue.

Look at the company we keep on this issue! 😟

I do care about the murderers victims. That's why I want to see the murderer twitch and scream as he slowly gets blended into a Scumbag Smoothie. Having excessive concern for the one out of ten thousand innocent that might actually get through is what lets the guilty off the hook. If you don't like it, support making the process of trial more infallible.

Dave

Belarus surprises!

As I said, the death wish. You're really wishing for the death of the murderer, and having fun imagining a novel sort of destruction to be done to their body. What makes the idea of that death so important (and enjoyable) that you're willing to kill innocent people from time to time rather that forego it?

I'll tell you what. Pre-rational instinct.

I think it is perfectly rational. Some folks have forfeited their right to live in civilized society, and it's not up to us to support them either. I mostly agree with Dave.

I wonder how many of those highly advanced European countries banned the death penalty with a popular vote.

Pete

All I know is that in the western European countries I've visited (every one but Ireland (until tomorrow) and Portugal), most people find it barbaric. People in eastern European countries still support it by a small majority. Only 23% of Germans support it.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/899

I stand with Ol' Ben. Something along the lines of, I'd rather see 100 guilty go free than one innocent hang. Life in prison, no execution.

You weasel! Lead with 'perfectly rational,' then slip in a 'mostly'....

Is 'lowest-common-denominator' the best way to decide what's right and wrong?

Maybe I'm just your run of the mill American Capitalist trying to create a market for my "Capital Punishment Blender"? Why are you bashing me? Is it because you're an America hating Communist?;)

Dave

Could we design the blender to have a Rube Goldberg style loader?

Pete

Dave:

https://i.imgflip.com/8ie8a.jpg

;)

Pete

Only if you are a Cal Tech graduate. That puts you and me outta the running.;)

LOL! You ain't kidding bro. Unless we could build it with shingles and an old clutch! :)

But Dave, he does fancy machines :D

Pete

Hee-hee-hee. Rolling on floor laughing.

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I've been driving Ford trucks for a goodly portion of my life, trust me I've had my share of wrench time. I prefer oxy/acetylene these days. I was entertaining cutting up my '86 Ranger and tossing it in the dumpster after having the A4LD auto tranny rebuilt three times in five years.:rolleyes:
I gave up roofing before I was 23. Anyone roofing past the age of 25 has a death wish or rocks in their head.;)

Three times in five, wow. Do you still have it? And I thought you were still roofing.

Pete

I torched it in the parking lot. :eek::cool: Funny story there.:D
I had a '97 F250 Super Duty after that and now I'm driving a '03 V6 Ranger longbed. I don't buy new, that's for suckers.

No roofing for old men. I haven't nailed a shingle other than a minor repair in thirty years. Carpentry/ plumbing, you name it. If it's in a residential property, I can fix or replace it. My favorite jobs are pre 1900 homes but those are a little scarce. Bread and butter involves mostly rental properties.

You'll have to tell us the story sometime! I don't buy new either.

Roofing looks hard. I once did a lot of work to a house built in the 1880s (like my car work, a hack :)) and it was interesting. Not only were the exterior framing timbers all different dimensions but nothing was plumb or square. The windows appeared to be built on site and doubled as the opening framing. The trim peaks on the front windows looked like this: _/\_ and each piece of wood was cut multiple angles in every direction to shed water! With a lip in the back to boot. Ditto for the flat porch roof (Victorian). I have a ton of respect for those old craftsmen. When I need a hand I'll give you a call :)

Pete

I already kinda addressed this in the "curdle your blood" thread. So here it is again:

If I were dictator, in capital cases there would be a sentencing option. If found guilty of murder 1, life in prison without the possibility of parole or, death. The immediate family of the victim would have the option. It's their business. I'm still thinking about whether the family would have the option of determining the method.

I'm remembering a terrible case some years back where the perp raped a little girl and then drowned her in a mud puddle. I remember thinking, if I were this kid's parent, I would gladly put this guy's face in the mud with my hand on the back of his head.

Expansion completed.

I favor the crane method. Lift them slowly. The sudden drop method snaps the neck and kills them too quickly.

Dave

We'll talk later. :)

Have I creeped you out?

YES!



I keep thinking, they are someones kin!




Barney

Not at all. You're just in defensive mode.

No, I really am a cruel man.

Dave