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Samm 03-01-2014 06:19 AM

Shocking Piece Of U.S. History Revealed
 
"Today a former US Treasury official revealed to King World News a shocking piece of U.S. history that you will never read in books. This is an astonishing interview, where Dr. Paul Craig Roberts openly discusses being part of a “secret committee” that was formed by then President Reagan. People wonder, what really happened at a key moment in history? Well, you are about to find out the truth of one incredibly important piece of world history.

"Eric King: “Dr. Roberts, you had predicted the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The CIA missed it (made the opposite prediction) and asked you to come and speak with them, is that right?”

Roberts: “Yes, that’s true. When the Soviet Union collapsed I was invited to come to the CIA and explain to them why they had gotten it so wrong. The difference with the CIA dated back to the Reagan years. After Reagan got the economy on its feet again with his supply-side policy, he then focused on ending the Cold War. He wanted to end it, not win it....
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014...ruary-24-2014/

“His approach was to first cure our economy so it would show the Russians that we were out of this stagflation mess. They (Russia) still had their problems but we were back on our feet.
Once they saw that, they would believe that the pressures that he kept threatening to put on them of a new arms race, of SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) -- you may remember Star Wars -- none of this actually happened. It was all Reagan propaganda to make the communists in the Soviet Union agree to negotiate to end the war, rather than to be drawn into an arms race that their economy, at the time, was no longer able to sustain.

So that was Reagan’s approach. The CIA kept telling Reagan, ‘Oh, no, don’t threaten the Soviets with an arms race. They will win!’ And Reagan couldn’t believe this. Of course my book, published in 1971, 10 years prior to Reagan coming into the presidency, had concluded the Soviet economy had already failed.

Reagan was aware of that (book), so when I left the Treasury he appointed me to a secret committee that had subpoena power over the CIA, and we were told to evaluate the CIA’s conclusion that the Soviets would win an arms race.

The main argument they (the CIA) had was that the Soviet Union could control investment, and therefore could put whatever percentage of the Soviet economy was necessary into the military in order to prevail over the United States in an arms race. Whereas the American people wouldn’t stand for some unlimited amount of resources diverted into the Pentagon’s budget. So that was the CIA’s position.

I don’t know whether they sincerely believed that or whether they just didn’t want the Cold War to end. They had a lot of power and influence because of the Cold War and that would take a back seat if there was no longer a Soviet threat. And of course the entire military-security complex made billions of dollars out of the Cold War and the Soviet threat. So they didn’t want it to end either.

So Reagan was really up against the entire establishment on that. Many of the Republicans themselves thought he shouldn’t be negotiating with Gorbachev because Gorbachev was one of those sneaky Communists, and Reagan was just an old man and the Communists would take advantage of him -- suck him into some kind of agreement that would end up with the Soviets winning.

So this was the whole milieu at the time when Reagan was trying to end the Cold War. And the committee that he appointed me to, we concluded that the CIA was wrong. People took my position in the committee. And this would be an effective threat on the part of Reagan to put pressure on the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to negotiate the end of the war, and it worked! And that’s what happened. So that’s that story.”

I wonder if President Obama can win a poker hand with Putin? Doubtful.

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 09:20 AM

So, the MIC was (is) corrupt and didn't really want the Cold War to go away, their careers and fortunes depend(ed) on it. Reagan realized this obvious fact* and chose to ignore them, instead sticking the already dying pig in the neck anyways, thus ending the Cold War.

Whoop-de-doo.

What does any of this have to do with current events? Are you saying the conflict between Russia and the Ukraine is a sign that the USSR has returned?

(*Unlike modern day Conservatives.)

Dave

Samm 03-01-2014 11:14 AM

You seem to be completely unaware that you are in the "history" section.

Tom Joad 03-01-2014 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samm (Post 197691)
"a shocking piece of U.S. history that you will never read in books.

I'll bet it's not sold in stores either!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFugZm6TWzk

finnbow 03-01-2014 12:57 PM

From the top of the King World News website:

© 2014 by King World News®. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. However, linking directly to the blog page is permitted and encouraged.

bobabode 03-01-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197762)
From the top of the King World News website:

© 2014 by King World News®. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. However, linking directly to the blog page is permitted and encouraged.


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I guess the rules don't apply in Spamm's universe? :rolleyes:

Samm 03-01-2014 02:11 PM

Bawahahaaaaaaaa!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pr39Wme_E1...rying+Boys.jpg

Dondilion 03-01-2014 03:19 PM

And of course it is all bullshit.

The USSR break up because Gorbie wanted it so.

bobabode 03-01-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 197810)
And of course it is all bullshit.

The USSR break up because Gorbie wanted it so.

You mean that you don't believe that St. Ronnie Rayguns of RKO didn't tear down the Berlin Wall singlehandedly and rout the godless commies with his steeley eyed gaze alone? :rolleyes:

Yeh, me either. ;)

Poor Gobachev got sandbagged in Reykjavik as I recall. :(

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samm (Post 197741)
You seem to be completely unaware that you are in the "history" section.

No, you're the one who took a jab at Obama at the end of the OP. Seeing as how President Obama currently holds office................:rolleyes:

Dave

4-2-7 03-01-2014 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samm (Post 197741)
You seem to be completely unaware that you are in the "history" section.

Most of these guys will not look at history.

bobabode 03-01-2014 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 197815)
No, you're the one who took a jab at Obama at the end of the OP. Seeing as how President Obama currently holds office................:rolleyes:

Dave

I think old Tom Joad had it right, we're seeing some pimple headed twelve year olds who got all their book learnin' at vacation bible skool and You Tube. ;)

Samm 03-01-2014 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 197816)
Most of these guys will not look at history.

They just like to follow me around hoping I say something they can comprehend. Just use the DBSO approach and they will giggle, roll over and go to sleep.

finnbow 03-01-2014 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samm (Post 197820)
They just like to follow me around hoping I say something they can comprehend.

I'm still waiting.:rolleyes:

4-2-7 03-01-2014 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samm (Post 197820)
They just like to follow me around hoping I say something they can comprehend. Just use the DBSO approach and they will giggle, roll over and go to sleep.

They don't need to comprehend, they don't even need to disagree. Their trolls and it's there site to troll on whatever they think. It only shows the small world that might pop in here ignorance and a failure to play well with others. Well maybe troll is to harsh. A few old ass farts that think they know everything and are angry and board thats better.

Thats why this site has a bad reputation at the parent site AK that boast 159.000 members. This site can't even get 1000, and only maybe 10 actually post. The others signed up don't read or post here. Gee I wonder why?

Take a look at the members list it's hilarious.

Zeke 03-01-2014 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197823)
I'm still waiting.:rolleyes:

You realize that folks quoting Samsonite's and -5's ridiculousness negates my putting them on ignore?

Perhaps I should awaken from slumber and assist in the simpleton task of making them continue to appear foolish...

4-2-7 03-01-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 197826)
You realize that folks quoting Samsonite's and -5's ridiculousness negates my putting them on ignore?

Perhaps I should awaken from slumber and assist in the simpleton task of making them continue to appear foolish...

Why stoop so low, I prefer you like always asleep.

icenine 03-01-2014 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samm (Post 197741)
You seem to be completely unaware that you are in the "history" section.

you may be correct about the forum you have posted in...but if you are as good in history as you are in economics I will trust my own judgement

4-2-7 03-01-2014 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 197832)
you may be correct about the forum you have posted in...but if you are as good in history as you are in economics I will trust my own judgement

Economic has history to it, Samm and I have tried to show you that economic and monetary history and you failed to comprehend it.

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 197816)
Most of these guys will not look at history.

Ha, Ha, Ha!!!!!!

Dave

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 197839)
Economic has history to it, Samm and I have tried to show you that economic and monetary history and you failed to comprehend it.

Yes, you showed us a chart that showed steady decline from 2000 to 2006, with a drastic freefall from 2007 to June of 2009 followed by a slow, steady rise to the present.

I'm guessing Obama is to blame for all of that?

Dave

bobabode 03-01-2014 04:45 PM

Shadowstats, Breibarts' and InfoWars not to your liking Dave? ;)

4-2-7 03-01-2014 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 197842)
Yes, you showed us a chart that showed steady decline from 2000 to 2006, with a drastic freefall from 2007 to June of 2009 followed by a slow, steady rise to the present.

I'm guessing Obama is to blame for all of that?

Dave

No Dave not at all. I think you all are defensive in that regard. What the banks do throughout history is nothing to do with politics. All to do with power and monetary gain. Im talking about all banking history not just the last decade or century. I have presented other things in post that people can look at but the preference is shoot the messenger. Everything I post is disregarded but hay at least I try to take the time to present something that should be looked at. It' is the reason this country and the world is such a mess. Look to history to tell you the future as humans continue to follow the same mistakes.

And no Im not talking about gold standard, just the rules that get awarded to banks and monetary policies. The end result is the laborer is robed of there hard earned assets. Countries pillaged to collapse. Wash Rinse & Repeat.

finnbow 03-01-2014 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 197849)
No Dave not at all. I think you all are defensive in that regard. What the banks do throughout history is nothing to do with politics. All to do with power and monetary gain. Im talking about all banking history not just the last decade or century. I have presented other things in post that people can look at but the preference is shoot the messenger. Everything I post is disregarded but hay at least I try to take the time to present something that should be looked at. It' is the reason this country and the world is such a mess. Look to history to tell you the future as humans continue to follow the same mistakes.

And no Im not talking about gold standard, just the rules that get awarded to banks and monetary policies. The end result is the laborer is robed of there hard earned assets. Countries pillaged to collapse. Wash Rinse & Repeat.

I'm no fan of the banks, but it seems the GOP is dead set on blocking any regulatory actions by the newly-formed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197853)
I'm no fan of the banks, but it seems the GOP is dead set on blocking any regulatory actions by the newly-formed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Because they are simpatico and beholden. Showing the link between banks and politics that 427 says doesn't exist. Not about politics, it's about money and power, he tells me..........:confused:

Money + Power = Politics.

Does it not?

Dave

finnbow 03-01-2014 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 197857)
Because they are simpatico and beholden. Showing the link between banks and politics that 427 says doesn't exist. Not about politics, it's about money and power..........:confused:

Money + Power = Politics.

Does it not?

Dave

Both parties are beholden to Wall Street, but the Dem's hide it better. Hell, if it weren't for the revolving door with Goldman Sachs, Treasury would be unable to find any executives.

4-2-7 03-01-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197853)
I'm no fan of the banks, but it seems the GOP is dead set on blocking any regulatory actions by the newly-formed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Well once you pull your head out of your ass you might be able to see the truth. Until then you will continue to blame the other guy witch is not factual. Why do you think I say all parties are one and the same? That Banksters, Government, Corporations are all one and the same. The banks are the head of the beast and control everything. They don't give a shit who has political power they control it anyway.

The best thing as American we have is a vote we can change the power back to our government. But by design here we are fighting over who gets condoms pointing at the other guy.

bobabode 03-01-2014 05:30 PM

Says the beagle dressed in tights and a cap :rolleyes:. Are you sure you don't live in the Castro District -5?

4-2-7 03-01-2014 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 197857)
Because they are simpatico and beholden. Showing the link between banks and politics that 427 says doesn't exist. Not about politics, it's about money and power, he tells me..........:confused:

Money + Power = Politics.

Does it not?

Dave

Well Dave I did not mean it in that way. Politics is a vehicle and it doest mater to the banks witch party is in power as long as the do there bidding. And they will.

4-2-7 03-01-2014 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 197863)
Says the beagle dressed in tights and a cap :rolleyes:. Are you sure you don't live in the Castro District -5?

So a liberal Homophobe

finnbow 03-01-2014 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 197862)
Well once you pull your head out of your ass you might be able to see the truth. Until then you will continue to blame the other guy witch is not factual. Why do you think I say all parties are one and the same? That Banksters, Government, Corporations are all one and the same. The banks are the head of the beast and control everything. They don't give a shit who has political power they control it anyway.

The best thing as American we have is a vote we can change the power back to our government. But by design here we are fighting over who gets condoms pointing at the other guy.

And what is your solution?

Do you support strong enforcement by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

4-2-7 03-01-2014 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197859)
Both parties are beholden to Wall Street, but the Dem's hide it better. Hell, if it weren't for the revolving door with Goldman Sachs, Treasury would be unable to find any executives.

See and you have said this before. You know what I feel in this regard but just need the expansion of over all monetary history. What happens every time when the Government does not control the money supply.

bobabode 03-01-2014 05:42 PM

This ain't dodgeball sparky, answer the question please. Do you support the efforts of the CFPB?

donquixote99 03-01-2014 05:43 PM

Now too.

http://img.tapatalk.com/6ccf3690-34c1-4e11.jpg

4-2-7 03-01-2014 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197866)
And what is your solution?

Do you support strong enforcement by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

First and for most the US Treasury needs to print and control our money supply.This is like Lincoln's Green back. Taking it out of the Federal Reserve hands. Spend the new currency into the system paying off debt. This new currency will not be born of debt like the fed note paying interest on every bill.

This is just a start I got to go now.

4-2-7 03-01-2014 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197866)
And what is your solution?

Do you support strong enforcement by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

This is not monetary policy.

This looks to be a leftwing government over site and regulations on privet financial institutions. I also will say thats what's on the face and do not know much about it.


Lol
Republicans say the agency is unaccountable to lawmakers because its funding comes from the U.S. Federal Reserve, not congressional appropriations. Democrats, on the other hand, staunchly support the agency's independence.

Hell no if this is the case. I love how some article call the "Federal Reserve" U.S. Federal Reserve. Thats how brainwashed and deceptive that name is on US citizens . Federal Reserve is the name

finnbow 03-01-2014 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 197872)
First and for most the US Treasury needs to print and control our money supply.This is like Lincoln's Green back. Taking it out of the Federal Reserve hands. Spend the new currency into the system paying off debt. This new currency will not be born of debt like the fed note paying interest on every bill.

This is just a start I got to go now.

Sounds like a comprehensive plan.:rolleyes: The next step is to get a majority of the 535 Congress Critters on Capitol Hill to agree with you. I think you may have one vote at the moment - Rand Paul. He's prone to buy into such silly, provocative $hit when he's in the throes of an acid flashback.;)

The Treasury already does print our money, BTW.

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 07:11 PM

Ah, yes, the evil "banksters" are trying to take over our country, make the currency worthless and run our lives.....

This is why we must protect their privacy, reduce the regulatory oversight burden placed on them and maybe slide them a fat tax cut while we're at it. That'll show'em we aren't gonna to take their shit!

Got it! Thanks for showing me the light, Man. I once was blind, but now I see!

Dave

BlueStreak 03-01-2014 07:13 PM

D-Ray, I know what you're sayin'.....But this is just too amusing.:)

Dave

4-2-7 03-01-2014 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 197880)
Sounds like a comprehensive plan.:rolleyes: The next step is to get a majority of the 535 Congress Critters on Capitol Hill to agree with you. I think you may have one vote at the moment - Rand Paul. He's prone to buy into such silly, provocative $hit when he's in the throes of an acid flashback.;)

The Treasury already does print our money, BTW.

Ok genius show me proof of that statement. No i'm not going to hold your hand on that one.

Im sure you'll disappear for a while then come back calming some sort of ineffectual victory.

But you can just say right now that your wrong.


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