Al Queda takes Falluja?
 

"A rejuvenated al-Qaeda force asserted control over the western Iraqi town of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

I wonder how long it will take for the wingnuttery to blame it all on Obama?:rolleyes:

Obama caused all of this! :mad:

Second Battle of Fallujah

To make a political statement they threw the marines into close
quarters combat. Al Qaeda knew the Marines were coming, as a matter of fact everyone knew the Marines were coming.

So in an urban situation Al Qaeda had time to prepare all kinds of boobies and nasties for the Marines.

Who are the financiers of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Taliban in Afghanistan and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in Pakistan? Saudi Arabia and Qatar primarily. And let's not forget Syria and Libya.

Yawn.

Eventually, that shithole would have gone to the dogs again, anyhow.

Dave

Ding, ding. I think it's safe to say that the situation in Iraq can all be laid at Gee Dubya's and Cheny's doorsteps. How long should we have kept combat troops in Fallujah, DJ?

Right now Al Qaeda linked boys are fighting the Syrian govt.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra

If we were really smart, we should have given the Jews Mexico and let Russia have the Middle East. And tell the Europeans to clean up after themselves once they shit the bed.

But there ain't no money in that, is there?

Chas

If we had to keep them anywhere, Iraq would have been preferable to the "Graveyard of Empires".

Personally, I don't blame Shrub or Obama. The die was cast years before them, and both had limited choices...all of which were bad.

The American population deludes themselves with the misconception that both the POTUS and the military have powers so great as to control the nature of world affairs.

That is not the case.

Chas

No argument with the bolded except us dope smokin' hippies remember how well that worked in 'Nam.
Hopefully we will be outta that shithole soon.(Thank you, Obama)
Whoever thought we could instill democratic principles in Afghanistan or Iraq was seriously delusional. That would be Gee Dubya by my lights. YMMV. Doesn't really matter in the long run tho. I've also read some Kipling, too.

Because Americans forget their history. Quick no looking in Wiki - who gave America deocracy?

Yep, and the same thing will happen in Afghanistan.

It's deja vu all over again.

It's pretty frustrating for an old Vietnam Vet like me to see this same shit, different day crap. We learned nothing.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...th/header1.gif

LOL, Under an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in 2008, U.S. troops were due to end their mission in Iraq by the end of 2011

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...GREED_TEXT.pdf

Nice try Bob...

But hey it's nice to see Al Qaeda “on the run”, “decimated”, and “on the path to defeat” :rolleyes:

In the case of Iraq, it wasn't the American public hankering for a fight. It was Dubya, Cheney, et al. Those opposed to our intervention in Iraq were labelled anti-American. Freedom fries, anyone?

Half-true. The neocon's fantasies were the genesis of the thing. But it was no great trick to bring the masses along. We were in a mood to do big assertive stuff. It made no sense and was also evil, but the big majority of folks just didn't care.

One must conclude that "democracy" works poorly sometimes.

Thanks for making that point, Finn. Iraq was absolutely no threat to the US and had played no part in 9/11. A little diplomacy could have actually made Iraq an ally in that part of the world, instead of the cause of US bankruptcy.

I'm always reminded of the quote from Michael Clayton, when I think of Saddam:

I'm not the guy you kill. I'm the guy you buy! Are you so fucking blind that you don't even see what I am? I'm your easiest problem and you're gonna kill me?

Looks like they are setting up another vacation package for the Troops.Maybe the al quada or whatever they are called has some WMD's it worked pretty good last time.and might slide by better with a dem in office.

Yeah a guy down the road a couple of miles has this really long white picket fence. After 9/11 he painted groups of four pickets alternating red and blue leaving four white pickets in between. Then he stuck up a hand painted sign that said 'these colors don't run'. Gonna take a hell of lot of undercoat to cover that red and blue. Sign disppeared about three months later.

The French?;)

Jewish financiers....?

I kinda thought George Washington and his regulars had a lot to do with it with some help from the Marquis de Lafayette.

Does the fall of falluja mean we'll be able to invade Iraq again......pretty convenient for those that stand to profit....

Maybe "Selling Iraq: Deux"

Hell, no.

So, I was half right? :) Gotta love all those diagonals and roundabouts the good Marquis gave us in D.C.;)

Diagonals and stuff not designed by Marquis. Different Frenchman. L'Enfant.

Supposedly, the design facilitates the suppression of mobs and insurrections....

:confused: What in the hell are you talking about Jim?
All I said was Gee Dubya and Cheney were responsible for the war in Iraq in response to DJ's wacked assertion that Iraq was all Obama's fault.
Wasn't it your candidate who said he would've kept troops there for as long as it took? Some stupid shit like 100 years, IIRC.


Not that I agree with assassination as a tool of state but it seems that every headman of Al Queda has a pretty short life expectancy, particularly under Obama's watch. There's no denying that, no matter how much tea you drink. Yep, OBL sleeps with the fishes. No doubt about that. :rolleyes:

Doh, they all look alike to me. :)

How long did it take Obama to get the troops out?

:(...GEEZ, I hope you're wrong.

Wasn't this pretty much expected to happen?

Isn't this why it was in our best interest to leave Saddam in power?

Where are you wing nut go to war jerks now?

This was your doing.

Jackoffs.

Who the fuck cares?

There isn't any amount of washing or spin drying on God's green earth that'll get rid of the fetid stench attached to Gee 'golly' Dubya, Cheney, Don Rumsfeld etc. for committing war crimes against the Iraqi people and against our troops.

Getting them out is better than sending them in, even if it takes a while. I believe the greatest disrespect that can be foisted upon the troops is sending them into an unnecessary war. We shouldn't be so careless with their lives.

Dave

+1

Well said.

I FUCKING CARE. I don't like the either idiot you blind motherfucker. Pull your head off of every Dems cock & wake the fuck up!

Oh, my. Bob gets Djs ire rolling.

Dave

I guess he told me.

Did you understand? :confused:

Well here we go, the headline: McCain, Graham blast Obama for Al Qaeda-related takeover of Fallujah, call situation 'predictable'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...all-situation/

Withdrawal was negotiated by the Bush administration and ratified by the Iraqi parliament in Nov. 2008. Here is a quote by an Iraqi spokesman on the ratification.
"It is good to see that representatives have reached a national consensus ... Everyone should understand that if there are gains, they are for all Iraqis, and if there are losses, they will also be for all Iraqis," said government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh.

Why do these two even make a comment like this? It's Iraq's problem now.

Understand what Raj?

McCain is an idiot.

And so is his girlfriend Leslie:p