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Bob_in_OKC 12-27-2013 10:22 AM

Nothing about the arrest of Devyani Khobragade here?
 
I would've figured on a political forum there would be an argument over the arrest of Devyani Khobragade and subsequent political row between the US and India. Nothing, huh?

BlueStreak 12-27-2013 10:27 AM

What did he do?

Dondilion 12-27-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 185503)
What did he do?

I believe it is a she.

Bob_in_OKC 12-27-2013 10:31 AM

Actually, she...

http://www.chevening.org/india/crisp...s_2012/Devyani

...is an Indian envoy who was arrested by US Marshals and strip-searched for alleged falsification of visa information. Officials and the people of India are perturbed.

donquixote99 12-27-2013 10:31 AM

We don't care when Americans are treated like that, why should we care about the foreign lady?

If the Indians want to make a huge outrageous wound to their national pride out of it, that's their problem. Nothing real will happen.

Nor do I have any respect for the class status of the lady in India, which apparently dictates that she is due kid glove treatment, not the same as lowlife scum, esp. American lowlife scum.

Understand, for what it's worth I favor the police being in kid glove mode at all times for everyone. This to counter the natural impulse for harshness that arises in that job....

BlueStreak 12-27-2013 10:34 AM

Just looked it up. She's kinda hot, so I think they should let her go.:p

I believe that if she was within her rights under diplomatic immunity, then the government is wrong and should let her go. That being said, I've always believed that diplomatic immunity itself is a bunch of shit. If you're in our country, you should have to abide by our laws and the same goes for our diplomats abroad.

Dave

Dondilion 12-27-2013 10:36 AM

http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...ns-rocked-9626

BlueStreak 12-27-2013 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_in_OKC (Post 185506)
Actually, she...

http://www.chevening.org/india/crisp...s_2012/Devyani

...is an Indian envoy who was arrested by US Marshals and strip-searched for alleged falsification of visa information. Officials and the people of India are perturbed.

I want to strip search her too. And it has nothing to do with her Visa status.;)

Dave

piece-itpete 12-27-2013 10:39 AM

Apparently she is an 'untouchable', the lowest caste.

Good gravy. Get arrested, get stripsearched at the station. That said we should probably just let her go.

Pete

Dondilion 12-27-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_in_OKC (Post 185506)
Actually, she...

http://www.chevening.org/india/crisp...s_2012/Devyani

...is an Indian envoy who was arrested by US Marshals and strip-searched for alleged falsification of visa information. Officials and the people of India are perturbed.

Perturbed is a mild word.

CarlV 12-27-2013 10:52 AM

Looks like a little cable news to sell while Congress is in recess. Issa ain't around to bring up Benghazi up again like a bad burrito. :p

Seriously, It doesn't look like we treated her like diplomat and probably should give her amnesty. We would expect the same from our friends in India for one of ours after all. I can imagine Hannity and friends is making her into some sort of an enemy agent.
Carl

Dondilion 12-27-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 185511)

This writer conveniently left out the fact that the Indians removed the
concrete barriers from some US consular buildings exposing them to
potential suicide bombers. :eek:

Zeke 12-27-2013 11:07 AM

1. She did not possess full immunity at the time of charge.
2. She was afforded every possible courtesy.

What's the rub?

donquixote99 12-27-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 185513)
Apparently she is an 'untouchable', the lowest caste.

Good gravy. Get arrested, get stripsearched at the station. That said we should probably just let her go.

Pete

That's 'old' caste system. Her office is high-status, or so I understand. Or perhaps she's been elevated for nationalistic outrage purposes in India.....

piece-itpete 12-27-2013 11:14 AM

Don I noticed that. They want a real incident let a car bomb in!

DQ, she was working as a domestic servant for $3.30 an hour, is the issue I believe. I think you're right, domestic politics in India.

Pete

Bob_in_OKC 12-27-2013 11:36 AM

What I wondered about was - Was that strip search perhaps caused by, or at least influenced by, the fact that she's an attractive woman?

Aside from that - It appears to be a situation where US officials should have taken this up through diplomatic channels.

donquixote99 12-27-2013 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 185525)
Don I noticed that. They want a real incident let a car bomb in!

DQ, she was working as a domestic servant for $3.30 an hour, is the issue I believe. I think you're right, domestic politics in India.

Pete

Huh? I thought the flap was over the arrest of the consular official who employed the domestic servant. Correct me if I'm wrong....

one1 12-27-2013 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_in_OKC (Post 185531)
What I wondered about was - Was that strip search perhaps caused by, or at least influenced by, the fact that she's an attractive woman?

Aside from that - It appears to be a situation where US officials should have taken this up through diplomatic channels.

probaly has something to do with her looks(depends on the horny bastards at the holding facility),but she should not have been treated differently

one1 12-27-2013 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 185533)
Huh? I thought the flap was over the arrest of the consular official who employed the domestic servant. Correct me if I'm wrong....

It was Don the reason for the arrest was the maid.

Zeke 12-27-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_in_OKC (Post 185531)
What I wondered about was - Was that strip search perhaps caused by, or at least influenced by, the fact that she's an attractive woman?

Aside from that - It appears to be a situation where US officials should have taken this up through diplomatic channels.

It's standard intake and was, I am sure, conducted by a female professional.

piece-itpete 12-27-2013 11:48 AM

Ah, I misunderstood this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devyani...agade_incident

It's probably the servant who was the untouchable, my apologies. The strip search was conducted by a female officer.

Pete

piece-itpete 12-27-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 185537)
It's standard intake .....

Is that from experience Zeke? :D

Pete

Dondilion 12-27-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_in_OKC (Post 185531)
What I wondered about was - Was that strip search perhaps caused by, or at least influenced by, the fact that she's an attractive woman?



Aside from that - It appears to be a situation where US officials should have taken this up through diplomatic channels.

Strip search is standard procedure for New Yorkers.

Make sure you do not have drugs or instruments to inflict injury to others.

CarlV 12-27-2013 12:19 PM

So looking at the BBC site:
Quote:

"I think the most important, immediate concern is to ensure that no further indignity is inflicted upon the young officer. And we are taking steps to ensure legally whatever is possible that we implement that immediately," Mr Khursheed told parliament.

"In terms of giving a strong, unambiguous, direct message to the United States of America: whatever I believe we were supposed to do, we did immediately," he added.

On Tuesday, India ordered a series of reprisals against the US.

Security barricades around the US embassy in Delhi were removed and a visiting US delegation was snubbed.
Diplomatic tit for tat then, no surprises there.



Quote:

Law enforcement authorities in New York say Ms Khobragade "allegedly caused a materially false and fraudulent document to be presented, and materially false and fraudulent statements to be made, to the US Department of State in support of a visa application for an Indian national employed as a babysitter and housekeeper at her home in New York".
If found guilty, she faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements.
Ms Khobragade will challenge her arrest on grounds of diplomatic immunity, her lawyer said.
The US state department said that Ms Khobragade did not have full diplomatic immunity.
It said under the UN's Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, she is immune from arrest only for crimes committed in connection with her work.
Hmm, the Megster fired her illegal Mexican maid just because she was running for Gov. and the Goppers loved her for it.

I wonder what garbage Barbie and Ken has been spewing on Fox News. (not really)

Carl


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-25426411

Zeke 12-27-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 185541)
Is that from experience Zeke? :D

Pete

Personally and professionally. :)

Sadly, men doing offender intake only get to search other men, though.

Yuck.

piece-itpete 12-27-2013 12:22 PM

LOL! I have some experience too :(

Pete

Rajoo 12-27-2013 01:32 PM

This is an example of the "elite class" expecting preferential treatment that often goes on in India. Mostly politicians and senior government officials get the VIP treatment. Other dignitaries can usually bribe and get it.

From what I understand, this lady has limited diplomatic immunity but not against employment laws in the US. She is alleged to be underpaying her domestic servant (nanny?) and the employee has lodged a complaint.

Behavior of the Indian government despicable, especially removal of concrete barriers protecting the US embassies. It is also very typical of the politicians who are mostly corrupt and incompetent and actions like this keeps them relevant. I was turned off by this story from the very beginning since what happened upon her arrest is routine in New York and no one is immune or should be from the law. US is not India and they should know and respect it.

Best difference between India and the US I've read is this, and I am paraphrasing. Both US and India are democracies with laws. In the US laws to the most part laws are enforced and observed. In India laws are seldom enforced and if caught, one can easily bribe one's way out most of the time or the case is permanently shelved due to backlogs. Of course, one needs connections which is also easily bought. I have often termed India as a functioning anarchy. For instance, vehicles routinely go the wrong way on limited access highways, yet now one is ever stopped. Rules of the road is a joke.

In this instance simply put, this lady has no diplomatic immunity against the allegations, strip searching is mandatory in NY, it was conducted professionally withing the guidelines. she should have dealt with it like a diplomatic professional instead of whining as if her privileges extended to the US. Sec. Kerry should not even apologized to the Indian govt. for the strip search and all it did was make matters worse by helping to reinforce among the Indians that the strip search was somehow a mistake on our part.

Dondilion 12-27-2013 01:46 PM

In all of this I find the Indian reaction by removing the concrete barriers...EVIL.

whell 12-27-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 185512)
I want to strip search her too. And it has nothing to do with her Visa status.;)

Dave

Something you an I can agree on.... ;)

Rajoo 12-27-2013 02:08 PM

There is a lot more to it than the concrete barriers that is less visible.
Here are some of the other retaliatory reactions to what was a legal action taken by the NY police, which India seems incapable or unwilling to understand, since as a country they do not respect law and order.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/17/india-d...lomats-arrest/

As I said, it's anarchy in practice and democracy in name. Indian electorate has no clue as to who, what and why they vote and I cringe every time India is referred to as the largest democracy.

BlueStreak 12-27-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 185567)
Something you an I can agree on.... ;)

:p:)

Dave


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