At what Time was America Truly A Democracy
 

Our forefathers had a plan,I am sure but was it really for what they said it was.Or just fancy words put on Paper?History say our inception as a Sovern seperate democracy was founded on persecution from the Crown.But did we not just become another sattelite for the Elite of that time to open up new Possibilitys of power in the new world.Something they knew was enevitible and addressed accordingly.

When we consent, it's democratic, when we don't, it isn't.

But 'democratic' is as close as we get, it's never been a 'democracy.'

A governmental system drafting it's foundations upon defining any human as less than the full measure of a man is -- by definition -- not a Democracy or valid Constitutional Republic.

Sum? We just set up our own Monarchy with the King "dying" every 4-8 years.

Well I always remeber the things that we seperated for like taxation without representation,and still I do not see a difference from when it all started.seems taxation is still one sided along with the majority of the laws on the books and living standards for the poor class versus the rich.

yes My attitude too.It looks good on paper but in reality it is just fancy reading.

Just words on paper. Most of the "founders" had no desire to have real freedom & democracy. If they did, it would have included everyone, not just rich white men. And all of these fools trying to return America to the supposed core values of that era are just asking for the sort of tyranny that existed then..... And they refuse to see it. The intervening 200+ years have been a march towards freedom, not away from it.

It's the ugly truth, right-wingers. Just face it.

Dave

No not just fancy reading.

In Mathematics we can make a function definable by restricting its domain.

The analogy here is the words were addressed to whites.

The democracy practiced was the best, and a vast improvement over those
of other white societies.

Hear hear.

White-male-property owners. In other words-----themselves. Hardly a "democracy". Maybe the best of the day, if that's what you're getting at. I can agree with that. But, as I stated before, I believe the intervening years have been a march toward democracy and freedom.......not away from it as many seem to think, these days.

I just think it is bad that a lot of people of all ethinicities gave of themselves and lives believing in a Lie.I know it is naive thinking but that is the thought those that gave for this so called land of the free.Is anarchy the only way to clean this up.because I don'st see it happening in an election booth.

Anarchy (rule by no one) is impossible. It immediately turns into default level zero government, which is rule by a gang of tough guys.

What we have is better than that. If you don't like how the American revolution turned out, keep in mind that they usually turn out a lot worse.

not just the Revolution,the whole shebang is a lie.theis thing called America is probaly as good as it is going to get butto imagine what could have been and what is is just pure and simple so, Wrong.

Buck up, Cleon. Things are getting better, better all the time. It can't get much worse.
Regards, Bob

it is like when I hear talk of politics and elections and such,I think WTF is is even worth the bother this whole thing got buttfu''ed long ago and we are riding on a dead country.mind you this is my feeling at the moment i could change my song but this moment deserves some credit too.

LOL,I know ,Just having a moment ,as I do.

this is still the best game in town.

ANARCHY? Hell no. That's when the asshole with the most guns and money to hire goons appoints himself your mayor, then the territorial wars break out. It's the worst sort of tyranny there is. You go from having one despot to deal with to having millions of despots all around you. Picture Rwanda ala Tutsi vs. Hutu.

I have no idea where people get the idea that we are so bad off that things like armed revolution and ANARCHY (ferfuksake) are any answer. Anyone who has spent time in the third world knows just how insane this is. If anything, we have it too fucking good.

Dave

You might think me crazy Dave but I liked it out in the bush.maybe not now I have got real soft(marshmallow soft) third world aint so bad.but thats just me and I speak for myself.at least there you know were you stand in the foodchain.

I've given up anyway I just talk anymore,i had the fight gone from me many moons ago.

Where were you out in the bush? In the army?

yes Sir in afghani in the 80's at a listening post.

Wow! You must've been working with the Moujaheddin. That must've been trippy.

no not that close I was on a isolatated trail next to a vilage of 50 or so tribes people.I was a relay station for the teams scattered about,I was pretty far from the rockus.

It was ver beautiful where I was at a lush valley between some mountains.and I was very welcomed by the tribes people,from what i have heard at the va the villages are much larger now due to all the fueding and different militias.I could have lived there forever .now i do not think I will be so welcome.thats another American blunder in a beatiful place.

It must've blown your mind coming from the US to Central Asia at an early age. Too bad you couldn't go back and experience it in a peaceful time. You never know, maybe some day I hope that they do get peace - for their sake.

Which outfit were you in? It wasn't airborne, was it? 'cause I never understood jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.;)

yea i was a ranger,LOL and what is so bad and Ironic now is I havevertigo so bad it is hard for me to be a few feet of the ground.

Ouch! Sorry about that.

That's a tough one. Vertigo is a terrible condition. If I were you I would take everything that the government can send your way, you earned it, imo. I'm listening one of your fellow Rangers right now - Jimi Plays Monterey.;)

Weird. I have vertigo too. It forced me to give up a career in aviation. Meclizine doesn't help you at all?

We are not a democracy. We elect representatives supposedly to democratically vote the way their constituents want them too. One of these days, when I win the lottery, I might have enough money to be a constituent.

well I never really bitch to the doctors about it ,it might not even be virtigo never diagnosed or bought it to there attention since it was long after my parting ways with the military.i have worse shit wrong with me i I did later being a stupid drunkard Punk.and drug abuser.

oh yea Mr. hendrix yea I watced a docu on him today.He was a Screamin' Eagle.Hendrix was so Young i dont think a lot of people realise how young he was because he was grounded so deeply into the earth.

at Greenwood Memorial Cemetery

I don't think new money gets in the club?

You're probably right, but I am sure a lot depends on how much you have and are willing to grease palm...I mean part with.

I know it dont,JayZ already tried he is just a cub cadet compared to the old made cats.saw some good docus on old money yesterday,and no it did not contain any Rokefellers or Gettys.I am talkin Old.the docu would lead some to say conspiracy theory so I will not give a link there are plenty out there though and some are real interesting.and taken with a grain of salt very revealing.

There is a powerful Yale connection.

you talkin bones and such?

What I wonder A lot is it is such common and taken for granted anymore every one just steps over it trying to get the scoop on Phil or what section of the country is hungry this Christamas season.It is like hiding in plain sight and ladi da.I think we are past the point of stoping anything anyway there have been a lot of counter measures implemented in or gov and lots of detention centers ready to go at a moments notice.

When I lived in Colorado there was some crazy shit going on close to rocky flats arsenal.lots of new construction.not off limits but you sure could not tell what was going on.this was in the late 90's after I had been discharged.