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bobabode 11-23-2013 10:39 PM

Nuke Deal With Iran
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

I wonder how they're going to enforce this one.

Tom Joad 11-24-2013 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 180896)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

I wonder how they're going to enforce this one.

Beats me.

All I know for sure is that the Right Wingers will spin it as a capitulation on the part of Obama.

Oerets 11-24-2013 08:54 AM

What was suppose to happen, another war? Bring them back into the world of tangled economics and spoil the citizens with Western benefits. The ruling class will lose influence quickly.


Barney

Zeke 11-24-2013 01:08 PM

Sum?

Another bit of stellar international diplomacy on the part of this administration.

Charles 11-24-2013 03:04 PM

http://en.ria.ru/politics/20131124/1...lear-Deal.html

Chas

bobabode 11-24-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 180950)

Well, it must be cool if Putin approves...:rolleyes:

JJIII 11-24-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 180951)
Well, it must be cool if Putin approves...:rolleyes:

Exactly!

bobabode 11-24-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 180952)
Exactly!

Commie pinko ******!:eek:

JJIII 11-24-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 180955)
Commie pinko ******!:eek:

You oughta see my pink Camo!;)

Charles 11-24-2013 07:17 PM

Pootie's smarter than the average bear.

Get it???

Chas

bobabode 11-24-2013 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 180967)
You oughta see my pink Camo!;)

I knew your Mama dressed you funny...:eek:;)

bobabode 11-24-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 180978)
Pootie's smarter than the average bear.

Get it???

Chas

Look, Boo-boo! A pick-a-nick basket.:)

d-ray657 11-24-2013 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 180978)
Pootie's smarter than the average bear.

Get it???

Chas

I different country of birth, the same toolbox - how do you think he would have done in US politics?

Regards,

D-Ray

Charles 11-25-2013 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 180989)
I different country of birth, the same toolbox - how do you think he would have done in US politics?

Regards,

D-Ray

He doesn't smile enough.

In America, we prefer our idiot politicians to be grinning idiots.

Chas

Tom Joad 11-25-2013 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 180908)
Beats me.

All I know for sure is that the Right Wingers will spin it as a capitulation on the part of Obama.

What did I tell you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...p_ref=politics

Quote:

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) predicted Sunday on CNN that this weekend's nuclear deal with Iran would backfire.

"We have just rewarded very bad and dangerous behavior," he said, saying Iran saw the deal as license to continue to enrich uranium.

"We've given them just enough breathing room -- the one thing that brought them to the table," he said. "We may have just encouraged more violence in the future than we've stopped."

piece-itpete 11-25-2013 02:33 PM

So France finally agreed? They were pissed at the first possible treaty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 180992)
......

In America, we prefer our idiot politicians to be grinning idiots.

Chas

That's an awesome tag line.

Pete

CarlV 11-25-2013 02:53 PM

And just think, if we had elected Willard we already would have invaded Syria and Iran both and wouldn't have any of these problems.


Carl

bobabode 11-25-2013 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 181028)
And just think, if we had elected Willard we already would have invaded Syria and Iran both and wouldn't have any of these problems.


Carl

Yup. In addition to all the negativity from the righties we have them screeching out their one note tune that this is all meant to distract from Obamacare and Benghazi. Effin' idjits couldn't walk and chew gum unless Doucie at Faux told them they could... :p

bobabode 11-25-2013 09:08 PM

A sample of the rightwingnuttery's responses to the news.

"Republicans mindlessly oppose Iran nuclear deal"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...7cc_story.html

merrylander 11-26-2013 07:11 AM

Should have insisted that they buy their Nuclear plants from Canada then there would be no need for enriching uranium.

whell 11-26-2013 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 180943)
Sum?

Another bit of stellar international diplomacy on the part of this administration.

I'm curious why this is would be regarded as a stellar bit of diplomacy. I've honestly not made up my mind about it.

However, it does represent a massive shift in US foreign policy in the region. While I certainly understand the potential value of "engagement", I also see Iran potentially seeing this as a "win" in the use of the type of nuclear blackmail that North Korea is infamous for. Also, in terms of negotiating approach and strategy, I"m wondering why some of our allies had to learn about the deal in the press.

BlueStreak 11-26-2013 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 180992)
He doesn't smile enough.

In America, we prefer our idiot politicians to be grinning idiots.

Chas

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 181025)

That's an awesome tag line.

Pete

"Grinning idiots" is good, "smilin' bastards" is better.

That's what Pop used to call them.

Dave

bobabode 11-26-2013 04:29 PM

...and the latest from Breitbart's wingnut talking points for dummies. They are bellowing "Worse than MUNICH!!" once again.:rolleyes:

"President Obama’s cowardly deal with the Iranian regime – a regime dedicated to the destruction of Israel, pursuing nuclear weapons in violation of multiple United Nations resolutions, and the persecution of Christians – marks the most ignominious moment in western foreign policy in decades. The easy comparison is to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement of Hitler in Munich in 1938, when he signed allowed Hitler to consolidate his gains in the Sudetenland on the bare promise of no further aggression in Europe." http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...se-than-Munich

Charles 11-26-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 181105)
I'm curious why this is would be regarded as a stellar bit of diplomacy. I've honestly not made up my mind about it.

However, it does represent a massive shift in US foreign policy in the region. While I certainly understand the potential value of "engagement", I also see Iran potentially seeing this as a "win" in the use of the type of nuclear blackmail that North Korea is infamous for. Also, in terms of negotiating approach and strategy, I"m wondering why some of our allies had to learn about the deal in the press.

I'm with you, I'm not sure whether this is a good idea or not.

It's probably inconsequential. Iran is going to get nukes sooner or later, whether anyone likes it or not.

Chas

donquixote99 11-26-2013 06:57 PM

So they're saying there was something bad about Munich? I though their guy came out on top. :confused:

icenine 11-26-2013 07:25 PM

yeah Obie's skin tone resembles Kenya more than his mom's home state of Kansas...so naturally he is another Chamberlain giving it up to a dictator.

What part of Afghanistan or Iraq did we say it was ok for Iran to invade and subjugate? When does the Anschluss start?

Republicans are becoming like Pat Robertson....you just cannot take anything that comes out of their collective mouths seriously anymore. Pat Robertson would ask for donations at least he does not shut down the government.

I mean does anyone here actually listen to Ann Coulter?

finnbow 11-26-2013 07:32 PM

I figure if you can piss of Netanyahu and the Saudis in one fell swoop, you're probably doing something right.

merrylander 11-27-2013 06:53 AM

Of course we need to go and find a new Shah to put on their throne again.

Charles 11-27-2013 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 181219)
Of course we need to go and find a new Shah to put on their throne again.

And I've found just the man.

Attachment 1990

Chas

Bigerik 11-27-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 181172)
So they're saying there was something bad about Munich? I though their guy came out on top. :confused:

Great post! :)

Bigerik 11-27-2013 07:36 AM

Nice to see a little common sense settling in on the diplomatic front. The status quo of dealing with Iran for the last 35 years ain't worked that well.

Charles 11-27-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigerik (Post 181223)
Nice to see a little common sense settling in on the diplomatic front. The status quo of dealing with Iran for the last 35 years ain't worked that well.

Well if that's the case, please allow me to be the first to say...

Carter's fault!!!

Chas

"The secret is, to make each piece last as long as it can."-Nipsey Russell

whell 11-27-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigerik (Post 181223)
Nice to see a little common sense settling in on the diplomatic front. The status quo of dealing with Iran for the last 35 years ain't worked that well.

In one sense, it has. It certainly put a crimp in Iran's ability to export its own brand of theocracy. However, that was never going to last forever, and hasn't worked at all in the last 10 years.

I did notice, however, that it didn't take long after the agreement was reached for Iran to start poking the West in the eye. :rolleyes: Looks like they've learned quite a bit from their friends in North Korea.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext...13920905001087

bobabode 11-27-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 181226)
Well if that's the case, please allow me to be the first to say...

Carter's fault!!!

Chas

"The secret is, to make each piece last as long as it can."-Nipsey Russell

I thought it was the Repubs hero president, Eisenhower who had the Shah installed on the Peacock throne after greenlighting the assassination of their elected leader. :confused:

Charles 11-27-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 181309)
I thought it was the Repubs hero president, Eisenhower who had the Shah installed on the Peacock throne after greenlighting the assassination of their elected leader. :confused:

And it was working like a pup a sucking until the peanut farmer dropped support and let him fall.

So there!!!

Chas

whell 11-27-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 181316)
And it was working like a pup a sucking until the peanut farmer dropped support and let him fall.

So there!!!

Chas

What really pissed off the locals in Iran is when the peanut farmer gave the Shah clearance to enter the US for medical treatment. Following the Iranian revolution, relations with Iran were actually starting to move in a positive direction over the course of early to mid 1979 - stable, if not reciprocally beneficial. Then, when Carter announced the Shah would be welcome in the US, that's when all hell broke loose in Tehran.

Charles 11-27-2013 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 181324)
What really pissed off the locals in Iran is when the peanut farmer gave the Shah clearance to enter the US for medical treatment. Following the Iranian revolution, relations with Iran were actually starting to move in a positive direction over the course of early to mid 1979 - stable, if not reciprocally beneficial. Then, when Carter announced the Shah would be welcome in the US, that's when all hell broke loose in Tehran.

See...Carter's fault!!!

Chas

donquixote99 11-27-2013 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 181316)
And it was working like a pup a sucking until the peanut farmer dropped support and let him fall.

So there!!!

Chas

No it wasn't. No level of support could have saved that dynasty, except on the Assad model....

Tom Joad 11-28-2013 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 181309)
I thought it was the Repubs hero president, Eisenhower who had the Shah installed on the Peacock throne after greenlighting the assassination of their elected leader. :confused:

Eisenhower would be thrown out of today's Republican Party as a RINO.

bobabode 11-29-2013 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigerik (Post 181223)
Nice to see a little common sense settling in on the diplomatic front. The status quo of dealing with Iran for the last 35 years ain't worked that well.

Unfortunately the minority party here and Bebe Netanyahu can only see this as capitulation. It must be something in their tea.:rolleyes:


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