Would you stand with these folks?
 

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Photo from the Million Vets march from the WWII to the White House.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...nverges-on-D-C

Looks like it was only 1,000 at best. I suspect the real majority in that crowd were reporters and camera crews. What a joke. There was even one racist punk (Larry Klayman) spouting some shit about the President needs to get off his prayer rug and come out with his hands up. WTF? Who gave these America haters a permit?

They wave the slavery flag and try to take down the county because the president is black.


Pols who bow to them are scum.

Yeah, I'll stand with 'em.

You can go stand with assholes like this.

Attachment 1941

Isn't that the game, to see if we can insult and piss one another off?

Chas

Who pissed in your cornflakes, Chas?

Yes but 401Ks and interest rates were not changed by that rather offensive act.
The Republicans should not have shut down the government and thrown people out of work.......is it not a wonder people are pissed off right now?

I will not burn an American flag.....

but I am not going to applaud a racist Rodeo clown either.

I think racism is much more offensive than flag burning any day of the week.

I hope you are not referring to the punk with the flag.

That would depend on his rationale for bringing the flag.

I will admit, that given the current politically correct view of the Confederate Battle Flag, he should have known better than to display it.

All he was doing was playing into the hands of the liberals and reenforcing their biases of those on the right.

Chas

They sure look like they are having fun at The White House. :)




But then so does the guy trying to crap on the flag. :p




I think I will hang out here though.


Carl

Exactly. When we are at each others throats, something will pass under our radar that will bear no good for any of us.

It looks like someone forgot the S when they wrote respect on that sign...............oh wait they are using the old English s....duh....:rolleyes:

Why are all the Tea Party people upset that the term is starting to take on negative connotations? Awwwwwwwwwwwww

poor baggers

Probably a "moran" ;)

Indeed. Here's an oldie from '74. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgf9Uk8jeJI

This whole thing is the South acting up, for the most part, isn't it?

One of the "moran"s are holding both the Confederate and USMC flag!:eek:

I guess he does not know that the Marines fought to put defeat the South during the Civil War:rolleyes:

What kills me is the way the right treats us hourly wage type folks and so many of us still fall for their line of BS. Union busting, the constant whining about labor regulations (OT, minimum wage, unemployment insurance, etc.,etc........). It just doesn't make much sense. Why do so many side with an ideology that is so hostile towards.......well.........THEM?:confused:

All I can figure is it's issues like gun control. And, then there's all of the propaganda about "slackers" and "moochers" and what not.

Dave

Hmmmmmm....................

Interesting notion. Considering the "Southern Strategy". However, having been raised in the north and living in the south since 1986, I find that basic human nature and attitudes are really not much different here than there.

It is a combination of low information voters electing people who they think are supposedly their champions. Said champions are elitists being bankrolled by Jim Demint and the Koch brothers. The Princeton and Harvard educated Cruz then uses the bogeyman of Obamacare to fool his followers. It has all been done before in the 19th Century by people race baiting and "waving the bloody flag" of the Civil War. That is one part.

The other part is that Obamacare is seen as a money transfer to people who did not earn it by the same low info voters. The GOP knows that if Obamacare is half as successful as the Democrats want it to be that it is over for them. Plus blocking an Immigration reform bill is pretty stupid too. People of color with health insurance are gonna remember who had their backs....so will most whites who join the exchanges. The whole tone of the Tea Party is pre- Civil Rights and anti-progressive.

I also think that this jobless recovery is the new normal unfortunately.....I hope I am really wrong too. It seems Obama at least wants to make life suck less than it would otherwise. The GOP has really no plan at all if you think about it except tax cuts for the rich. You have seen how that went.

What, pray tell, is politically correct about viewing the stars & bars as the symbol of a society/culture who fought to preserve slavery? And please don't even try to tell me that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but states' rights (i.e., the states' right in question was the right to own slaves.)

Photo ops clowns! Lost again.......:D

They marched to the wrong house! It's congress holding up the country you fools!



Barney

We've argued this before and IIRC, the result was certain individuals crawlin' away with tails tucked. Some still haven't returned. It's an argument they cannot win.

It's economics, Finn. The south had all that cheap labor and the north just got jealous ;)

Can't see anything here to disagree with.

Well of course not. But some details of belief, identity, and politics seem to differ.

It is mostly districts in southern states that have actually elected Tea Party people, seems to me.

Make that southern states and bleedin' Kansas.

Speaking of pre-conceived notions, why do you assume that anyone here would support that shitty (excuse the pun) act. I would stand with neither the guy with his pants down, or the guy sending his intended message with the confederate flag. I would support the right of either to express themselves, as vulgar as it might be.

Regards,

D-Ray

No doubt slavery was a central issue, but not the only issue.

The Civil War was perhaps started with the Missouri Compromise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise, which was an attempt to maintain a balance of power in the Federal Government...back in the days when states rights were a concern. This was soon followed by the Tariff of 1828 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations which benefited the industrialized North at the expense of the agrarian South. And things continued downhill from there.

In short, the Civil War was fought for the same reasons that all wars are fought, political control and money. Slavery, while necessary in the South and abhorred by the abolitionists in the North, was a peripheral issue at the time.

I am not here to defend slavery. And while some see the Confederate flag as the banner of hatred and oppression, there are those who see it as symbol of freedom, and one which their ancestors fought under and died for. Actually, it's both.

Primarily, it's a piece of history, an inanimate object which is defined only by one's own perspective.

And my perspective is that anyone who allows themselves to become enraged over something as simple as a flag isn't being very objective.

Chas

I'm simply playing the game. In case you haven't noticed, it's wildly popular here.

BTW, I don't go to protests. IMHO, not only are they a magnet for the unhinged, they are also an exercise in futility. Not to mention allowing yourself to become a tool for someone's agenda.

I have my own agenda...it's called ME. And from where I sit, it's hardly worth showing up for either. If I had another option, I wouldn't bother at all.

Chas

Bam!:rolleyes:

Can you actually blame modern-day African-Americans for being uncomfortable about people proudly flying a symbol of their oppression/enslavement? I can't. Ironically, the demographic who fly the stars & bars is the one that goes ballistic when people desecrate the American flag.

Could it be that some folks are more impressed with the symbols than the meaning behind them? They love the flag, the eagle and all the brass band hoopla and cherish the borders but do nothing but bitch about the people who live inside those borders?

Everything, from the battles over whether newly inducted states would be designated "free states" or not, to the punitive taxes levied against the agrarian South.......was all about slavery. Southerners did not believe they could run their plantations without armies of slaves to do all of the grunt work.

And, you're absolutely right. The rage over the Stars-n-Bars isn't as simple as hating a flag. It's what that flag symbolizes that is despised.

It's not the cans he hates, Navin. It's the man behind them.:p

Dave

And now we come to the root of the problem... :rolleyes:

As to the OP.

As a veteran, I have given this some consideration.

Yesterday, I heard Senator Bachmann say they are holding this event to protest the "...politicians in Washington using these veterans as political pawns." As SHE, a POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON, uses them as political pawns.

No thanks. I will not be standing with them.

Dave

I think the Civil War started with Nat Turner's rebellion. That was the 9/11 of the ante-bellum South, and squashed any feeling in the South that they could ever free the slaves. Ever. Anyone pushing the idea was either insane or plotting to destroy them.

Actually the War started when a man opposed to the expansion of slavery into the new territories won from the war with Mexico was elected in 1860. The issue of slavery was THE cause. The conservative revisionist arguments are just rationalizations proposed by those who do not really want to accept the truth. Sort of like protesting the closure of the WWII memorial when you actually voted for and caused the shuttering of the monument.

but what do I know

I agree about the Flag Chas, I wore a confederate belt buckle for many years when I was young even though I'm a Yank ;), but sure wasn't showing my love of slavery.

The Civil War? It was going to happen once the cotton gin brought back slavery from the dead.

Pete