The Tea Party Way, Governing By Extortion
 

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topof...,7267622.story


So much for the full faith and credit of the United States.

Not being partisan here, but it seems to me this fight wouldn't exist if a realistic budget was passed and they actually stuck to it. I don't agree with the GOP tactics, but I also don't see the logic in having to raise the debt ceiling again and again at the end of every year.

Yes, creating a budget and then having to vote many times to fund it is rather silly. The budget was done and Republicans voted for funding the PPACA parts of it then. :confused:
This is just a bunch of punk terrorists trying to hold my country hostage while they run it into the ground. No logical person would negotiate with thugs like these and I certainly hope they don't.

And besides,


Mitt Romney ran his campaign hard on repealing PPACA. Obama ran on putting it in place. The voters voted. Guess who won?


Carl

If the Congress & Senate is ever serious about developing a budget, they would start this at the beginning of each year. The left has never seen a social program that it does not like and the right a tax break it cannot justify. So it's really about political campaigning and little to do with governance. The Tea Party has now made this a political blackmail.

So the debt ceiling needs increase to keep up with inflation. Throw in an war or two and a few natural disasters, deficits grow even more.

I don't see the logic in having a debt ceiling, we are the only industrialized nation that farts about with such childish crap

Used to be, elections meant something.

I don't see the sense in having one.

So, you are saying the election of the House meant nothing ? The biggest reason the Republicans have the House is Obamacare.

No.

The biggest reason Republicans have the House is criminal redistricting.

Truth.


Carl

As the Democrats buy more and more voters with entitlements it may well be the end of the Republican Party. Problem is that it will be the end of the country as well.

End of the country=no more tea baggers?

sounds like a fair trade off;)

End of the country like biting off the hand that feeds you.

Qualifier here...end of the country as you have come to know it.

A sitting Republican congressperson is more afraid of being primary'd by the TP than candidates from Democratic party. Getting TP'd used to be a lot more fun till this TP arrived.

In other words there goes the neighborhood?

Yes, just like McDonalds says, if you need to pay rent or buy food get a second or third job.:rolleyes:


Carl

No, I'm saying the ACA was passed by congress, signed by the prez and survived a bullshit challenge all the way to the supreme court. Get it?

So far your gang of the whinyest, OCD losers this country has seen since the 'Know Nothing Party' has obsessively tried to repeal a law 41? mebbe 42? times, (I've lost count) at an exorbitant cost to the taxpayers of this nation. While failing epically everytime they bring it up.

Now they want to run our full faith and credit into the shitter for their losing game. Personally, I would like them to be locked up as traitors but I guess we will just have to wait for the next elections to run your sorry asses outta town on a rail. Clear enough for you, Zero?

Problem is that they would rather burn down the country first, Marc.

Not even the worst elements of the Weather Underground or their revolutionary ilk were advocates for this type of civil war during the Nixonian era.

Mebbe we should just give them the world as envisioned by Jesse Ventura and Terry Jones and be done with it?;)

Oh, please. Your religulous Teabaggers and your Wall St. pieces of shit aren't given political favors at every chance? Yea, with both hands...

I may have been born in the morning but it wasn't this morning...:rolleyes:

I'm not religious at all. Never seen Wall Street either. That is just a catch all for the mindless.

It would be simple enough. Just put Obamacare to a national vote and see how it fairs. Even the unions don't want it.

Since when is a federal law passed by a national vote?

We live in a representative democracy where we elect people to pass laws for us. It is an indirect process.

I am really beginning to doubt your intelligence my friend.

I am sure if you polled on slavery in 1860 most Americans were not ready to make it illegal.

I understand that. But, some of these guys are getting all rabid because the House is trying to stop this when that is what the majority of Americans want.

Fox said so, right.......

Are your eyes brown?;)

Nah, Breitbart.

Similarly, if we had a national referendum on whether to make the Tea Party illegal, it would garner an easy majority. For that matter, a referendum on free beer would win overwhelmingly.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...plan-1130.html

This shows results for an approval of a healthcare law.....


Is this the current one another one proposed, single payer.......what was the question asked and how was it worded.

Try a little harder......

Good lord, what in the hell do you think they are talking about in September 2013.

working for more than 40 hours a week for straight time is a shitty existence Carl.....sad that this is a reality for many.

I have no clue as it's just a polling website. Question could have been about single payer.

As you are a glowing example, many folks have believed the lies told about the ACA before they know anything about it. Classic scare tactics used on people who will most likely not do the research (see the links D-ray has supplied you on that topic)

So, the majority of those polled do not want it as they know little about it as it's still not in effect yet. When it actually goes live and fully in effect and has a few years to iron out some details let's see what they say then.

By the way...your darlings at the Heritage Foundation had a major hand in writting it, how could you oppose it?

So, basically, you can't refute the redistricting hypothesis?

Good move.

Because better men have tried and failed.

Nice topic steer though.

Note: you failed at that, too.

Moving an unfunded tax cut that favors the top 2% income bracket through reconciliation? :)


Carl

Indeed, keep taking away more and more of one's hopes and dreams of a better future will never be a good economic policy IMO.
Hmm, guess I will never be a good teabagger. :)

Carl

Extortion by the desperate ones! They know once the ACA gets rolling alone will become very popular. Ted Snooze made that plain in his Freudian slip last weeks media event.



Barney

I don't think I could stand watching cable news today even if I had it.
Near as I can figure House sends Senate a bill, Senate fixes it, votes on it, sends it back to Boehner who will not even allow a vote because enough Congressman would pass it to avoid the default and that PPACA is a dead budget issue tomorrow? :confused:

Where's that Sara? Crash baby crash!:p


Carl

No one. We all lost. And then the SCOTUS double down on it.