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icenine 09-04-2013 04:51 PM

Look Out!
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/frack...es-8C11073601#

bobabode 09-04-2013 07:26 PM

Cool! When that fracking fluid reaches the Cuyahoga, Pete can light it on fire again. Fun times.:rolleyes:

CarlV 09-05-2013 01:01 AM

Those girly quakes are fine for them but we here on the Pacific coast don't need any of that kind of help. :p


Carl

merrylander 09-05-2013 06:21 AM

We here on the east coast are sitting on the oldest (read settled) mountain chain in NorAm yet we have had two quakes recently - go figure.

icenine 09-05-2013 07:14 AM

I grew up in Ohio Carl the thought of even the smallest quake there was considered in the realm of science fiction lol

BlueStreak 09-05-2013 07:49 AM

Great. Just what Youngstown needs-------a Catch 22 style disaster.

Economically, it's having a much needed positive impact.

But, they either put up with the negative environmental impact or lose yet another chance at prosperity.

Dave

hillbilly 09-05-2013 10:22 AM

What caused earthquakes before humans invented anything that used oil or gas, coal, etc?

piece-itpete 09-05-2013 10:51 AM

I've lived 2 noticeable earthquakes in NE Ohio, one woke me up in in school suspension in HS, building shaking, and then just a few years ago in my backyard, I was out having a fire reading the paper when my chair suddenly lifted up and back down, very strange. There are many other minor quakes in Ohio.

Not that fracking isn't causing minor quakes. They taught us in school they were studying pumping water into the San Andreas fault to create small minor quakes, to prevent big ones.

Pete

merrylander 09-05-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 170472)
What caused earthquakes before humans invented anything that used oil or gas, coal, etc?

The earth is made up of several plates - they are called tectonic plates. At one time (according to the geologists) we were one big continent that has become what we see today by the plates sliding about on the planet's molten core. One plate may be heading north while the other is not moving and so the grind against each other (San Andreas fault).

Other plates may move directly against another plate so one dives under the other - creating a new mountain range.So yes there was a natural cause to earthquakes long before we climbed down out of the trees. That does not mean that man cannot cause quakes buggering about.:rolleyes:

icenine 09-05-2013 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 170478)
I've lived 2 noticeable earthquakes in NE Ohio, one woke me up in in school suspension in HS, building shaking, and then just a few years ago in my backyard, I was out having a fire reading the paper when my chair suddenly lifted up and back down, very strange. There are many other minor quakes in Ohio.

Not that fracking isn't causing minor quakes. They taught us in school they were studying pumping water into the San Andreas fault to create small minor quakes, to prevent big ones.

Pete

I never felt any but I have not been there since 1988.

icenine 09-05-2013 12:19 PM

Are there any other mysteries of the universe you want Merrylander to explain to you Hillbilly?;)

piece-itpete 09-05-2013 12:22 PM

The HS one would've been earlier, maybe even in Jr High, heck the brain cells are dying. My one science teacher said Ohio actually has many small quakes but most aren't 'feelable'.

This is pretty good: http://www.ohiodnr.com/geosurvey/htm...7/Default.aspx

Pete

CarlV 09-05-2013 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 170472)
What caused earthquakes before humans invented anything that used oil or gas, coal, etc?


The USGS site is amazing source of information, more than you want to know about almost anything to do with the entire planet.
http://www.usgs.gov/


Carl

merrylander 09-05-2013 02:06 PM

I have felt the last two we had here in the area - MD VA and one years back in Quebec east of Montreal.

BlueStreak 09-05-2013 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170485)
I never felt any but I have not been there since 1988.

Neither did I, but I hadn't felt one in VA until just a few years ago, either.

Dave

BlueStreak 09-05-2013 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 170472)
What caused earthquakes before humans invented anything that used oil or gas, coal, etc?

Well, according to the Evangelical Christian clowns in my state and yours, earthquakes are caused by anal sex and short-changing the collection plate.

Speaking for myself, I find Robs explanation just a tad more sensible.

Dave

Rex E. 09-05-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170486)
Are there any other mysteries of the universe you want Merrylander to explain to you Hillbilly?;)

Maybe how those doe eyed human children were running around with their pet Raptors........;)

Oerets 09-05-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 170439)
Those girly quakes are fine for them but we here on the Pacific coast don't need any of that kind of help. :p


Carl

I believe they are starting to frack in LA!


The natural gas in under tremendous pressures so is oil for that matter. So one would be foolish not to wounder what will happen when the pressue is messed with. Then knowing human nature as I do, add the quest for a quick profit. Adds up to a disaster that will be of our own doing.

But this will get little attention because we are distracted by issues like Syria and their chemical attacks on fellow countrymen. But we have companies poisoning our land and water, causing earthquakes and it is alright. Because we need the energy.




Barney

icenine 09-05-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 170540)
Maybe how those doe eyed human children were running around with their pet Raptors........;)

lol I do not know what your are referring too Rex...

Rex E. 09-05-2013 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170566)
lol I do not know what your are referring too Rex...

https://www.google.com/search?q=crea...2F%3B500%3B375

We've done this before here but why not a nice picture of the children and the raptors living in harmony....;)

CarlV 09-05-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 170555)
I believe they are starting to frack in LA!


The natural gas in under tremendous pressures so is oil for that matter. So one would be foolish not to wounder what will happen when the pressue is messed with. Then knowing human nature as I do, add the quest for a quick profit. Adds up to a disaster that will be of our own doing.

But this will get little attention because we are distracted by issues like Syria and their chemical attacks on fellow countrymen. But we have companies poisoning our land and water, causing earthquakes and it is alright. Because we need the energy.




Barney

I know we have been fighting it off. That would qualify as pure insanity just like running a sand oil pipeline through agricultural and underground water supplies when it is totally unnecessary in order to save a few dollars.


Carl

icenine 09-05-2013 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 170574)
https://www.google.com/search?q=crea...2F%3B500%3B375

We've done this before here but why not a nice picture of the children and the raptors living in harmony....;)

that one picture looks sort of like Sarah Palin with a raptor:eek:

well I guess it is supposed to be a young girl but the hair reminds me of her lol

merrylander 09-06-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 170574)
https://www.google.com/search?q=crea...2F%3B500%3B375

We've done this before here but why not a nice picture of the children and the raptors living in harmony....;)

What is interesting is that in every depiction of Adam and Eve they both have navels.

JJIII 09-06-2013 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 170580)
What is interesting is that in every depiction of Adam and Eve they both have navels.

Now that's funny to me!:D OOPS!

BlueStreak 09-06-2013 08:50 AM

I always found the fact that we are to consider eating the fruit from "The Tree of Knowledge" to be a BAD thing?

Well, I guess having knowledge of good and evil IS bad..............

When certain people want to restrict your knowledge to what THEY want you to believe.

Dave

piece-itpete 09-06-2013 08:56 AM

What that means is that we decide what is good and evil, not God. It really has nothing to do with facts or information. Agreed though there's plenty of charlatans out there.

I have to change the lyrics of 'Peace in the Valley' from 'the beasts of the wild shall be led by a child' to 'the raptors of the wild....' :D

Pete

icenine 09-06-2013 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 170588)
I always found the fact that we are to consider eating the fruit from "The Tree of Knowledge" to be a BAD thing?

Well, I guess having knowledge of good and evil IS bad..............

When certain people want to restrict your knowledge to what THEY want you to believe.

Dave

Well if you have read Catch-22 by Joseph Heller the main character wonders why God specificially pointed out to Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit. God could have not said anything. He basically says "Hey you two do anything you want just don't eat anything off that one tree right there...you see it? Do not eat that fruit!!!"

of course she wants to eat it after that ...

merrylander 09-06-2013 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170593)
Well if you have read Catch-22 by Joseph Heller the main character wonders why God specificially pointed out to Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit. God could have not said anything. He basically says "Hey you two do anything you want just don't eat anything off that one tree right there...you see it? Do not eat that fruit!!!"

of course she wants to eat it after that ...

Still blaming poor Eve?

Rex E. 09-06-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170593)
Well if you have read Catch-22 by Joseph Heller the main character wonders why God specificially pointed out to Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit. God could have not said anything. He basically says "Hey you two do anything you want just don't eat anything off that one tree right there...you see it? Do not eat that fruit!!!"

of course she wants to eat it after that ...

Major Major.......

icenine 09-06-2013 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 170604)
Still blaming poor Eve?

Didn't she tempt him with the Apple?

Vacation Bible School was many moons ago lol

icenine 09-06-2013 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 170682)
Major Major.......

Sure is hard catching that guy in the office :D

Rex E. 09-06-2013 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170685)
Sure is hard catching that guy in the office :D

;)


"Hey, I want to fly another sortie"

insanity at it's finest......:)

Charles 09-06-2013 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 170690)
;)


"Hey, I want to fly another sortie"

insanity at it's finest......:)

The best I remember, Major Major expected his crews to fly additional sorties in the hopes that he would be promoted to Colonel Major.

Which, according to Heller, would never happen, since the Army had only one Major Major, and they weren't about to fuck it up by promoting him.

I still remember my friend and myself discussing Catch 22, and referring to it as a satire. His father, who actually flew bomber missions over Europe during WWII, claimed it was the most realistic book he had ever read.

At the time, I deferred to the old man's judgement, since he was there and we weren't. As time went on, I began to appreciate as to just how correct he was.

Chas

bobabode 09-06-2013 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 170700)
The best I remember, Major Major expected his crews to fly additional sorties in the hopes that he would be promoted to Colonel Major.

Which, according to Heller, would never happen, since the Army had only one Major Major, and they weren't about to fuck it up by promoting him.

I still remember my friend and myself discussing Catch 22, and referring to it as a satire. His father, who actually flew bomber missions over Europe during WWII, claimed it was the most realistic book he had ever read.

At the time, I deferred to the old man's judgement, since he was there and we weren't. As time went on, I began to appreciate as to just how correct he was.

Chas

SNAFU. I had an uncle who survived flying B24s over Germany. Tough old bird.

Rex E. 09-06-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 170700)
The best I remember, Major Major expected his crews to fly additional sorties in the hopes that he would be promoted to Colonel Major.

Which, according to Heller, would never happen, since the Army had only one Major Major, and they weren't about to fuck it up by promoting him.

I still remember my friend and myself discussing Catch 22, and referring to it as a satire. His father, who actually flew bomber missions over Europe during WWII, claimed it was the most realistic book he had ever read.

At the time, I deferred to the old man's judgement, since he was there and we weren't. As time went on, I began to appreciate as to just how correct he was.

Chas

Yup!

But that was the "Catch 22" if ya wanted to fly you had to be insane and were grounded. If you didn't want to fly then you were obviously in your right mind and up ya went......

It's been far to long since I've read the book.....

icenine 09-06-2013 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 170700)
The best I remember, Major Major expected his crews to fly additional sorties in the hopes that he would be promoted to Colonel Major.

Which, according to Heller, would never happen, since the Army had only one Major Major, and they weren't about to fuck it up by promoting him.

I still remember my friend and myself discussing Catch 22, and referring to it as a satire. His father, who actually flew bomber missions over Europe during WWII, claimed it was the most realistic book he had ever read.

At the time, I deferred to the old man's judgement, since he was there and we weren't. As time went on, I began to appreciate as to just how correct he was.

Chas


Satire of the military yes, but much more of an hellish study of existentialist philosophy......

My favorite line is the last one, when that Italian woman ( it has been 30 years since I read it I think it is an Italian woman) tries to stab him:

The knife came down, missing him by inches, and he took off.

nothing more existential than that.....

BTW Chas you just moved up on my cool meter....to 0.5;)

icenine 09-06-2013 11:08 PM

Catch 22 and Camus's The Stranger have the same theme, but Heller's book is so much more fun. I think he was a one-trick pony however. Even The Knack had two hit songs lol.

Rex E. 09-06-2013 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 170711)
Catch 22 and Camus's The Stranger have the same theme, but Heller's book is so much more fun. I think he was a one-trick pony however. Even The Knack had two hit songs lol.

"Up my thigh-sherona"

icenine 09-06-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 170714)
"Up my thigh-sherona"

And good girls don't

any other hits?

BlueStreak 09-07-2013 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 170700)
The best I remember, Major Major expected his crews to fly additional sorties in the hopes that he would be promoted to Colonel Major.

Which, according to Heller, would never happen, since the Army had only one Major Major, and they weren't about to fuck it up by promoting him.

I still remember my friend and myself discussing Catch 22, and referring to it as a satire. His father, who actually flew bomber missions over Europe during WWII, claimed it was the most realistic book he had ever read.

At the time, I deferred to the old man's judgement, since he was there and we weren't. As time went on, I began to appreciate as to just how correct he was.

Chas

One of the greatest movies ever made. The most "successful" guy in the squadron wasn't the best pilot or the most determined to win the war. It was the asshole that was making the brass rich......even if he had to screw over his own men and commit traitorous acts to do it.

Today, we admire such men. Even let them run for president.

So, does anyone think Mitt and The Donald will run again in 2016?:p

Dave


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