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finnbow 06-15-2013 01:55 PM

An uptight Okie Christian ...
 
Keith Cressman is attempting to sue the state over the depiction of the "Sacred Arrow Rain" sculpture used on the official Oklahoma license plates. This sculpture shows a Native American warrior shooting an arrow at the sky in the hopes of a rain god bringing rain, and Cressman, who is identified as a Christian, feels this is a violation of his First Amendment rights because he is forced either to display an image he finds offensive.

So this rugged individualist finds a picture of a Native American on the state's license plate offensive? These "turn the other cheek" Christians sure do have a thin skin, methinks.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/14/o...ican-rain-god/

icenine 06-15-2013 02:49 PM

Of course Finn this is the next step after the legalization of the phrase "Merry Christmas"...now the Tea Party has made it legal to greet others that way.....whew thank God!!!

I am not joking dufus really did sign the bill yesterday...


Texas...Oklahoma...same thing hehe

BlueStreak 06-15-2013 03:03 PM

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha........................ROTFLMAO!

"Of course Finn this is the next step after the legalization of the phrase "Merry Christmas"...now the Tea Party has made it legal to greet others that way.....whew thank God!!!"

Yep. My favorite thing, every Christmas season, is to go around telling all of my family wingnuts "Merry Christmas!" and then chuckle at them. Some of them still don't get it. The ones that do will mumble " Whatever, smartass." or something to that effect.

It IS great fun.

Dave

Charles 06-15-2013 07:07 PM

Whoever authorized that revisionist POS license plate should have his ass kicked.

If the Okies want to have an Indian on their license plate, they should do a scene depicting the Trail of Tears.

And as far as the idiot who is suing the state for violating HIS rights...well...he's an idiot.

After all, if he's a Christian, has his head squared away, and had one miserable hair on his ass...he'd be suing the state for violating the INDIAN'S rights.

Chas

BlueStreak 06-15-2013 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 161185)
Whoever authorized that revisionist POS license plate should have his ass kicked.

If the Okies want to have an Indian on their license plate, they should do a scene depicting the Trail of Tears.

And as far as the idiot who is suing the state for violating HIS rights...well...he's an idiot.

After all, if he's a Christian, has his head squared away, and had one miserable hair on his ass...he'd be suing the state for violating the INDIAN'S rights.

Chas

I think the answer to the question of "WTF?" lies in the bolded.

Dave

Charles 06-15-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 161188)
I think the answer to the question of "WTF?" lies in the bolded.

Dave

Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it?

Wouldn't it be nice to lead such a sheltered life that crapola such as that was an actual problem which needed to be dealt with?

This cretin doesn't have problems, he's looking for 'em.

Chas

Rajoo 06-16-2013 12:50 AM

I think this is a very interesting legal issue. Dismissed by the District Court yet taken up by the Circuit Court on appeal. The claim is "compelled speech" which is reverse free speech. All US currency has the words "IN GOD WE TRUST", but if one is an atheist, they could claim that it compels them to acknowledge a God they don't believe in.....see where this is going? :confused:

BlueStreak 06-16-2013 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 161197)
Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it?

Wouldn't it be nice to lead such a sheltered life that crapola such as that was an actual problem which needed to be dealt with?

This cretin doesn't have problems, he's looking for 'em.

Chas

Every bit as much as the dumbass Atheist who can't stand to drive past a manger scene......................

There are two edges to that sword.

Dave

BlueStreak 06-16-2013 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 161215)
I think this is a very interesting legal issue. Dismissed by the District Court yet taken up by the Circuit Court on appeal. The claim is "compelled speech" which is reverse free speech. All US currency has the words "IN GOD WE TRUST", but if one is an atheist, they could claim that it compels them to acknowledge a God they don't believe in.....see where this is going? :confused:

Yeah, I do and it's just more twisted drama I can live without.

Dave

Zeke 06-16-2013 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 161185)
If the Okies want to have an Indian on their license plate, they should do a scene depicting the Trail of Tears.

Oklahoma wasn't even a state when that occurred...

As a guess, besides religious buffoonery, what you're seeing is the first "local" inkling of social backlash towards the Native sovereignty (casinos and the like) movement initiated through tribal recognition and self-determination codified during the 1980s.

Any bet -- without passing judgment -- this guy's livelihood was somehow negatively impacted through the empowerment of Native groups? :rolleyes:

Rajoo 06-16-2013 10:12 AM

Some people in California have similar sentiments.
A group of Christian parents in California have threatened to sue a school district for introducing yoga in classrooms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ga-classes.htm

BlueStreak 06-16-2013 11:21 AM

YOGA? These balloonheads feel their religion is threatened by YOGA? Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha........................

Dave

finnbow 06-16-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 161235)
YOGA? These balloonheads feel their religion is threatened by YOGA? Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha........................

Dave

Next thing you know they'll be protesting against eating tofu.

BlueStreak 06-16-2013 11:32 AM

What in Gods name can be wrong with Yoga? (Pun intended.)
Yoga isn't a religious exercize, it's just a way of relaxing, stretching muscles and relieving tension? What? These people think remaining tense and uptight all the time is the path to heaven?

Well, come to think about it................................

Dave

piece-itpete 06-17-2013 11:02 AM

A number of years ago a yoga group was thrown out of some schools hereabouts, it turned out on translation the chants were hymns to pagan gods.

Pete

BlueStreak 06-17-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 161320)
A number of years ago a yoga group was thrown out of some schools hereabouts, it turned out on translation the chants were hymns to pagan gods.

Pete

In that case it becomes even more interesting, because tossing them out was a proper separation of church and state. I wonder if these Christians in California support faculty led prayer in school............so long as it's exclusively Christian prayer.:rolleyes:

Dave

BlueStreak 06-17-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 161230)
Some people in California have similar sentiments.
A group of Christian parents in California have threatened to sue a school district for introducing yoga in classrooms.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ga-classes.htm

Link no work.

Dave

Rajoo 06-17-2013 01:13 PM

Dave, here it is again from my browsing history; worked for me just now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...a-classes.html

Here is the text:

By Nick Allen, Los Angeles

5:53PM GMT 18 Dec 2012

The Encinitas Union School District plans to offer yoga instruction at all of its nine schools from January, despite a protest by parents who say they believe it will indoctrinate their children in Eastern religion.

The growing popularity of yoga is forcing US public schools to address the question of whether it is a religious practice or simply exercise.

Encinitas Superintendent Timothy Baird said: "This is 21st century PE. It's physical. It's strength-building. It increases flexibility but it also deals with stress reduction and focusing, which kickball doesn't do."

Mary Eady, a parent who has pulled her child out of yoga classes, said the pupils were learning to worship the sun and it was "inappropriate in our public schools."

School officials said there will be no chanting, prayer positions or cultural references.
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in an attempt to fend off any legal action names of yoga positions have been changed to terms like "airplane" and "pancake."

The programme will see 30-minute yoga lessons taught to 5,000 students, starting from kindergarten, twice a week.

Researchers at the University of San Diego and University of Virginia will study the results, including analysing data on students' resting heart rates.

BlueStreak 06-17-2013 01:19 PM

"School officials said there will be no chanting, prayer positions or cultural references."

If this is true, then there is no constitutional violation. At that point it becomes as silly as killing football claiming it is a religious practice.

So, the overreacting Biblethumpers can just bugger off. But, we all know they won't.
Who else is waiting for the first GOP panderer to open his/her big mouth?

Dave

Rajoo 06-17-2013 01:46 PM

Is atheism a belief system or a refuge?

This is CA and I am sure there is a Proposition being drafted to outlaw Yoga, Tai Chi, Karate and so on probably funded by the fast food and beverage industries.

merrylander 06-17-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 161320)
A number of years ago a yoga group was thrown out of some schools hereabouts, it turned out on translation the chants were hymns to pagan gods.

Pete

Yet in Arlington Cemetary besides the Cross or Star of David they will also put the Wiccan symbol on the gravestones - go figure.

merrylander 06-17-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 161333)
Is atheism a belief system or a refuge?

This is CA and I am sure there is a Proposition being drafted to outlaw Yoga, Tai Chi, Karate and so on probably funded by the fast food and beverage industries.

Atheism states that there ar no dieties, none, nada. Agnosticism states that it is not possible to prove that God exists or does not exist.

BlueStreak 06-17-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 161337)
Yet in Arlington Cemetary besides the Cross or Star of David they will also put the Wiccan symbol on the gravestones - go figure.

So long as the religious beliefs of each individual are fairly represented, there is no problem.

Notice the fight over prayer in school is not coming down to prayer in general, it's coming down to whose religion is represented. They want Christian prayer in the schools, but allow anyone else to do the same, even if they are not actually using something such as Yoga as "prayer" and..............you see what happens.

The only answer to my mind is no prayer of any sort in public schools. The parents of these kids keep their religion in their homes and in their religious institution of choice.

The only other answer would be to ensure that all religions are equally represented. But, something tells me that would only lead to increased gnashing of teeth.

Personally, I think the damn deuling superstitions thing is ridiculous. But, that's me, I'm crazy that way.

Dave

merrylander 06-17-2013 03:10 PM

The Wiccans only complaint about other religions is that they all claim to be to "One true way" and that also strikes me as the height of conceit. Myself I kind of like Mark Twain's attitude; "I just try to be an honest man, that way I know there is one less rascal in this world."

BlueStreak 06-17-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 161344)
The Wiccans only complaint about other religions is that they all claim to be to "One true way" and that also strikes me as the height of conceit. Myself I kind of like Mark Twain's attitude; "I just try to be an honest man, that way I know there is one less rascal in this world."

Yes, it is that, indeed. Conceit and arrogance.

Dave


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