China hacked! OMG the USA is suspected!
 

No big surprise for me to find this out. But imagine it will stir the pot up nicely. Will be a big story around the globe. Make relations with China tricky for awhile. Hard to get them to stop attacking us now with them having us with a hand in it too.








Edward Snowden Claims NSA Documents Show U.S. Hacks China: Report





http://news.yahoo.com/edward-snowden...opstories.html




Barney

I'd be surprised if we weren't doing it, though I suspect our objectives might be a bit different.

I would like to know what Snowden's real motivation is. To tell the truth nothing I've seen or heard rings true.



Barney

Yep, and that's treason. His exposing it, that is. They, and by "they" I mean both parties, are going to get his ass now one way or another. At least, I hope they do.

What gets me is this; The domestic thing may have been a shock to many people, (Not me.). But, who is the bonehead that is genuinely suprised that we spy on other countries? Especially Communist countries.............like China.

Are people really this ignorant?

Dave

I beginning to think he was just a few steps ahead of a "Team" sent to get him. I would like to think they were on to him before and he just got away.


Barney

Of course we do. However, our leaders have repeatedly said that we don't spy on or hack into computers of Chinese industry (as opposed to their government/industry) as a means to put pressure on China for doing the same to us.

Edward Snowden said "I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality… My intention is to ask the courts and people of Hong Kong to decide my fate."
Really?. I see cowardice and hypocrisy in equal proportions.

Snowden is one of those guys who is just confused.

I didn't mind him spilling the beans about domestic spying, but revealing our ops towards other countries does make him a traitor.

Pete

NSA may have overextended themselves, but calling them criminals is wrong.

Snowden just has a glorified image of himself, well he has had his 15 minutes. Now if we don't get him first the Chinese will just to see what they can drag out of him.

Or probably just hate his country.

Why? If the shoe fits...?

Not yet. From Wiki.

During the Obama Administration, the NSA has officially continued operating under the new FISA guidelines.[3] However, in April 2009 officials at the United States Department of Justice acknowledged that the NSA had engaged in "overcollection" of domestic communications in excess of the FISA court's authority, but claimed that the acts were unintentional and had since been rectified.

ACLU filed a lawsuit on this in 2008 and lost in the SC just this year.
So let's wait for the outcome from this recent lawsuit.
A person in this country is a criminal only when convicted of a crime. From what we know, no person from NSA has been convicted of a crime yet unless Snowden volunteers. :D

Blow him up with a drone and be done with it. :D

Nothing is going to change, some of us will be uptight for a while but nothing is actually going to change. More vote posturing IMO.

Carl

Yeah, I get that. However, I think the whole process needs to be examined. There's a lack of accountability, a lack of responsibility, and way too much opportunity for mischief-making throughout the process. I also strongly suspect that the FISA courts are nothing more than a rubber stamp operation for the Justice Department.

Also, try telling a cop that you were "unintentionally" exceeding the speed limit by 100 mph and see whether or not the cop, or the traffic court, happily excuses your ticket. To suggest that "the acts were unintentional" to me is BS. At some point, and individual of average intelligence understands that what they are doing is just plain wrong.

While I agree with you, I believe that Section 215 of the FISA Act is so broad/loose that as long as the (rubber stamp) FISA court plays along, you're covered. Even if they go outside the bounds, there are plenty in Congress and the administration to provide cover.

They're probably waiting for the Zimmerman trial to heat up as the media is only able to cover one thing at a time and the Zimmerman trial is easier to them to cover and the public to understand.

You crazy? Now you want to start a war with China? ;) :rolleyes:

He might get a new variant of H7N9 virus and not just make it.......

The guy diffidently needs to grow eyes in the back of the head.

Barney

Only country he will be safe in is the US, odd as it seems.
He can then extend his fame for fifteen days granting interviews before he is locked up and forgotten. Hope the bastard wises up and not leak any national security secrets and endanger lives. If he does that, he will need more than a spare pair of eyes.

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/C...f-9aedab412191

Pete

After reading this Russian perspective, it is clear the US should call in the SEALS and grab this guy. :D

http://rt.com/news/snowden-china-ext...n-secrets-689/

Okay, let me rephrase that. Who is the bonehead leader of any nation that honestly believes what the other guy is telling him? Heck, sometimes I wonder why anybody bothers to tell such lies.

He is a traitor.

He should be strung up on the Whitehouse lawn and left twisting in the wind until his neck rots through and his carcass plops to the ground.

Dave

UK has said "do not fly him here" to airlines.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...ef=relatedNews