Honeybees at a fifty year low.
 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ories/?hpid=z3

The Europeans suspect neo-nicotinoid pesticides (tabacco juice) and have banned them for two years to see if their suspicions are confirmed. In the US we're so afraid of big agro to the point of calling for more studies instead of actually doing something. More tail wagging the dog, I suspect.

Many honey bees took teaser variable rate mortgages on their hives and when the bottom dropped out on value they were forced into foreclosure because they had overextended themselves. I wonder where they live now...

All kidding aside from what I heard this is a huge problem since the bees are so responsible for pollination of crops.

Yeah, all those predatory banks and their lobbyists didn't have anything to do with that mess.;)
Even this here nailpounding goofball thought something didn't smell right about variable rate mortgages. Pretty much a scam through and through.

You're right about the threat to the food supply. Maybe we can all just go out in the fields and orchards with paintbrushes and do their job for 'em.

I just wounder if there is some common link between the bee's and the white-nose syndrome bat disease??

So goes the bee's so go us....



Barney

Scary true...no bees no people

Everything suffers when more people are involved. I read somewhere the bee
population has decreased at the same rate digital radio signals have increased.
They were doing fine when everything was analog and I would say pesticides were
much worse 50 years ago.

So we're going to have another digital vs. analog debate. :rolleyes:

Regards,

D-Ray

More interesting than seven dust.

I thought that was a conspiracy too. :p


Carl

Organo phosphates and carbamides were but these new pesticides weren't around back then. The widespread use of these new ones correlate with the decline and collapse of overwintering hives. It could be that as the bees dehydrate the nectar into honey they are also concentrating the new water soluable pesticide. Here's a wiki on neo nicotinoid pesticides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-nicotinoid

No need for bees.....we'll just let Monsanto make our food for us...fuck mother nature and her liberal bullshit.......

Working on the fresh water too!



Barney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_DIOMo9A8 :(;)

Alternatively...;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7epbdQ4YYI

More research to be conducted by Monsanto / Bayer?:rolleyes:
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/mons...sses-6C9996526

Joe Strummer
Did he see the future global warming and the bees dying?

London Calling 1979
The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in
Meltdown expected, the wheat is growing thin
Engines stop running, but I have no fear
'Cause London is drowning, and I live by the river

Johnny Appleseed 1999
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees


by the way if you have not heard Johnny Appleseed you may be missing out on of the greatest rock songs of all time

If Monsanto gets their dirty hands on it you can kiss the bees goodbye.

Down with digital LOL!

However one slices it, whether it's a parasite they can't fight due to stress, or signals, or other pollutants, it all boils down to overpopulation. Like every other problem we have.

Pete

pro life and over populated........

Pete is a puzzle, no?;)

;)

That argument strikes me as advocating killing for population control, decrease the surplus popluation? I'm not saying that's what you mean btw.

Heck Chinas' brazen attempt at just that isn't working.

There is only 1 man made solution :o

Pete

Put an aspirin between your knees?

http://desidivine.com/wp-content/upl...3/marsbase.jpg

;)

Riiight, terraform Mars.:rolleyes: That's the solution to all of our problems...:confused:

Looks like a strip mine, Pete.

From what I can see the only long term solution to overpopulation is migration. Consider that in 2004 the UN projected world population to be 9.2 billion by 2075.

A few years back the wheelchaired one mentioned he believed if we could hold off the inevitable crash due to resource scarcity for about 150-200 years we'd be good to go.

The conservative luddite thinks we need to step up space exploration :)

Pete

I think you have been watching When Worlds Collide too much

Nah, waaaaay to unrealistic :D Even if by some miracle the replacements' planets' orbit was roughly in the narrow sweet spot, and wasn't pulverized by debris from the destroyed earth, it would wobble badly for a long, long time :p

Pete

The Federation???? That's just more bigger gubmint, bro. :)

I'd be OK as long as they built the 'real' Enterprise:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tured_1705.jpg

:)

He was being serious though. With some thought anyone can see where overpopulation is heading. Basically it's identical to overtaxing a spaceships' systems.

I remember fairly recently some of the original astronauts were calling for it too, on the grounds that as overpopulation gets worse we will not have the additional resources to develop the program and will be doomed to a miserable second rate life on this fragile rock hurtling though a very dangerous space.

I swear, if folks understood just how little it would take to kill all life on this planet, even destroy the solar system they'd... be as oblivious as they were to WW3 during the cold war ;)

Pete

They are not worried because they figure "Not in my lifetime." The usual Screw youJack, I've got mine attitude.

I'll agree that we should quadruple NASA's budget or more. The major threat is an asteroid impact and we're blind figuratively and actually. We need mo' bigger telescopes to identify which ones are on a collison course. Then we'll maybe have time to do something about it.

Maybe put some miners out in the asteroid belt to push those rocks around into more stable orbits first. Then we can go after the real bad ass threats out in the Oort Cloud, comets. Slow them down and drop 'em on Mars.:eek::cool:

Mine the asteroid belt! Yes!

I found it ironic that while everyone was watching that last close asteroid an unnoticed one hit Russia. But space is so big.

There is another bad scenario (actually many). A large drifter comes across the solar systems' path. Doesn't have to hit anything, just roil the system.

We might notice it decades in advance. But it wouldn't matter.

Pete

We've been hit many, many times but the religulous luddites in congress keep cutting NASA's budget. The latest theories about the moon's formation have a large chunk of rock smacking a large amount of the earth's crust into orbit. Maybe that's what was meant about meeting Jesus up in the air when Armegeddon comes?:rolleyes:

T'weren't the GOP that killed the shuttle Bob ;) It's what Rob said I believe. People are stupid.

I love this stuff. That moon theory has some backup in the composition of moon rock. The boffins also currently think that before the impact the earth was spinning 4 hour days, the other way!

And probably with its' axis perpendicular to the solar system, not tilted.

There's huge holes in a terraforming project. 'They' figure that Mars's early thicker atmosphere (and water) was blown away by solar wind, because a cooling core shut down its magnetic field.

It also means there's no protection from cosmic rays. Early onset cancer and dementia anyone?

How on earth (or mars? :)) can we restart THAT?

Btw that's another horrible thing that can happen here :o

Pete

Those SST's were supposed to be a stopgap at best, utilizing old '60s tech. What really did them in was obsolescence and political bickering. Maybe the Hope and Change dude could've jump started NASA again but your guys wouldn't get behind anything that may have burnished his image in the slightest.:p

What's so aggravating about this whole thing is summarized at the end of the article: The Europeans have decided to take a cautious approach out of concern for the environment, while we Americans have decided to "look into it" on the side, out of concern for profits.

What makes you think there has not already been an early onset of dementia? Look around DC.

Says it all, doesn't it?

Dave

Yes, the wise and powerful gov't will sort those bees right out :rolleyes: Maybe they can get together a Kyoto-like thing to fix them.

BAM!!

Pete