Red line crossed
 

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What will he do?????


http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/world/...war/index.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ors-90640.html

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...s_been_crossed

“Given our own history with intelligence assessments, including intelligence assessments related to weapons of mass destruction,” a senior administration official told reporters Thursday, “it’s very important that we are able to establish this with certainty.” WaPo

What are you advocating, JB?

From what I've seen, it was that chickenhawk Eric Cantor trumpeting the red line crap.

“The administration has confirmed that the Assad regime in Syria has crossed a dangerous, game-changing red line,” House Minority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said in a statement, which called on members to attend a classified briefing Friday morning."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

Edit- forgot to pin the chickenhawk appellation on that weasel, Cantor.

Time to stop being the worlds cop.

"We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilised. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation."

-Obama

See post #2, Was.

Time for the Arab League (Turkey) to step in, methinks.

You've hit the nail on the head, Erik. We've done enough damage playing cop.

Don't fret Bob, I can see all the posts.
Just pointing out that Obama drew the line in the sand, Cantor just pointed out that the admin acknowledges it's been breached.

"We are continuing to do further work to establish a definitive judgment as to whether or not the red line has been crossed and to inform our decision-making about what to do next," the official said. "If we reach a definitive determination that this red line has been crossed, based on credible, corroborated information, what we will be doing is consulting closely with our friends and allies and the international community more broadly, as well as the Syrian opposition, to determine what the best course of action is."
The official indirectly referenced the flawed intelligence assessments about Saddam Hussein's programs of weapons of mass destruction in the lead up to the Iraq war as justification for caution.
"I'd say that given our own history with intelligence assessments, including intelligence assessments related to weapons of mass destruction, it's very important that we are able to establish this with certainty and that we are able to present information that is airtight in a public and credible fashion to underpin all of our decision-making. That is, I think, the threshold that is demanded given how serious this issue is," the official said. "But again, I think nobody should have any mistake about what our red line is... It is absolutely the case that the president's red line is the use of chemical weapons or the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups."

From JB's third linky

Feinstein says it's "pretty clear", line's been crossed. You wouldn't doubt Diane, would you?

I recall Moammar Ghaddafis "Line of Death" across the Gulf of Sidra. We danced back and forth across it right regularly, just to taunt the mother f****er.

Could be the same thing going on here.

Dave

Do you line up behind every stand and pronouncement that is made by Alaska politicos?

Dumb question towards a guy from Upper Wasillastan, I guess.:rolleyes:
How's Russia lookin' from your porch?;)

Bingo, we have a winner!!!!!

Congratz Dave.

What is the next red line? when he uses chem. weps. and kills 1000 then move to 2000 and so on and so on....

Actually....I think there should be no red line at all.

Dave

Fair enuff...

But thanks for bringing it up... I love that old skit

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/274040

The only way to stop a bad guy with chemical weapons is a good guy with about a trillion dollars to spend.

Thanks, that was funny.

I was serving the USS Coral Sea-CV43 on the flight deck, when the Libyan "Navy" approached to repel us from the Line of Death in 1983.

You should have seen it. About five or six Vietnam era "River Boats" with machine guns mounted on their bows. They got close enough to see us, (And us to see them.), they stopped and sat there for about 3 minutes, turned around and left....................

Oooooo, shiver me timbers.:D

Dave

I would doubt the position of just about any politician that does not have to make the actual decisions. It is a lot easier to talk tough when you are not the one making the decision to send troops into harms way.

Regards,

D-Ray

Who would that be? I thought we were broke.

Dave

Lets hope maybe it can be a different good guy this time. We don't need another one of these money pits.

Agreed. But, I look around and...................:(
Dave

Like Erik said it is like the US needs to police the entire planet. And spend endless money trying. How long can it go on before we just cant print any more money?

It's time for their one semi-responsible patron, Russia, to step in and straighten this mess out. Their other patron, Iran, will obviously do nothing of the sort. If we could just immolate their chemical weapons stocks from the air, I'd be OK with that. Otherwise, phuck 'em. Assad has killed tens of thousands with conventional munitions. I'm not sure why a few dozen more with Sarin gas changes the equation.

It can't go on much longer. The sad part is that some want to hack SS and Medicare (Claiming these things are "Welfare handouts".) long before we cut funding to support the MIC.

I guess this comes down to one very basic question;

Should we take away from the wellbeing of our people to feed the MIC?

I say no.

Look, I have served in the military. A lot of people in my family have served. My family is full of both wartime and peacetime veterans dating back to the Revolutionary war. I do NOT hate the troops, I do NOT hate my country. I do NOT want to weaken America.....................

I just want America (Us) to take care of our own FIRST. I want the military, like anything else, to live within it's means. To do the best it can with what we can reasonably afford to give it, without taking from our poor or our elderly. The days of the blank check to squander on whatever new adventure strikes our fancy needs to go. Rambo can just grow up and get the hell over it.

I told a retired Navy friend of mine recently, that "...the military works for the people, not the other way around.". This made him very angry, I haven't heard from him since. Believe me, that hurt. But, life goes on and I still stand by that statement.

Dave

I'm all for taking care of our own here but the handouts need a line as well. There are just too many people out there living on the system, a few that I know are part of my very extended family. We don't talk because I can't stomach the shear abuse of the welfare system. They don't want to work, they just want to sit home, play video games with their four kids and collect. They abuse everything from government handouts, to disability, to frivolous lawsuits.

Not to get off topic because that is a whole other can of worms. I'm sure we will be involved in Syria if not headlining. Hopefully it involves only air strikes and keeps our troops off the ground.

I don't know anyone like that. I had a nephew that was on the dole for a while, but he was struggling with his mentally ill wife. He simply could not leave her to her own cognizance. They have since gotten her problems under control. It took a few years but hopefully it's done, and he has gone back to work. That's the only one I can think of off hand.

I hate to see our young people marching off to war again. I believe the greatest disrespect we could ever foist upon our "troops" is to put them in harms way frivolously. It really does bother me.

Dave

Oh boy, invade Syria, then invade Indegestitan, then Iran then cry like a baby because you have to pay taxes for it, then decide to use your grandma's food and winter heat money instead. :rolleyes:


Carl

We ain't going to touch Syria with a 10 foot pole.
We may have to send troops to Israel should it face an existential threat however.


We have been printing money going on 70 years and have been completely off the gold standard since Nixon. The only thing that backs are greenbacks are faith. Everyone stop believing Paul Ryan and Glenn Beck right now. We need infrastructure and stimulus now.
Or else we going to have a double dip.

;) I'm loving your posts lately.

Dave

I wonder where we would be with McCain calling the shots, just a scary thought.


Carl

Then you are all for having Corporate America bringing all those jobs back home and hiring all the vets. Good that means that I will never see the shame of a homeless vet looking for a helping hand.:mad:

God forbid that John and his girl friend Lindsay were in charge. It is truly educational how all the hawks are those without skin in the game. Raise taxes to pay for war? What a novel thought.:rolleyes:

I'm sure most vets coming home are actually looking for work, that is the big difference. These folks I'm talking about have no desire to work. It's just easier to them to sit home, do nothing, collect their welfare, keep making more kids, and maybe deliver pizzas, or waitress, for cash so the system doesn't see it.

I'm all for giving welfare for those who actually need it. I'm just so tired of paying for pure laziness. If your military, laid off, student just out of school, and cannot find work absolutely help but that is not always the case. Maybe I was just blind to the abuse until I got to see first hand.

If Obie drew a line in the sand he has to abide by it or our words are meaningless.

World cop, isolationist, etc, a messed up world doesn't help us any. Israel, Russia, China, Turkey, Uganda, if wishes were horses beggars would ride ;)

Pete

The US governments words are already meaningless. They have preached freedom, democracy, peace, etc. for ages, while supporting dictatorships, starting wars, helping to suppress the underprivileged, if it saves the American taxpayer a buck, etc again.

These comments always crack me up… Republicans don’t cry about defense spending we vote for and approve. That is what the Dems do.

What wingnuts complain about is….


http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps989a5f58.jpg

Kinda says it all...

That Bush put the Iraq War on a credit card, skipped town, and Obama found the bill on the Resolute Desk?

Yup.

A lesson in not drawing lines. :D

This.


Carl

I do not think a McCain victory in 2008 would have been a disaster unless Sarah would have assumed power....

McCain would have done the stimulus (probably on steroids with Boehner helping him) just like Obama. I do not think he would have done health care.

We would still be in Iraq I guess and Afghanistan.
I think McCain is sort of like Reagan more bluster than bite....I think he would have been less jingoistic in office.

But I am glad Obama won of course:)!