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ebacon 04-10-2013 11:55 PM

What do the words Left and Right mean?
 
What do the words Left and Right mean to you?

When I started voting I thought that right meant right and left meant wrong. Yes, I was that dumb.

merrylander 04-11-2013 07:00 AM

Probably applied by some smartass as in certain circles, such as opthalmology, they use right for right eye and sinister for the left eye. Recall that for years the schools would try to force left handed children to write with their right hand.

Of course since each side of the body is controlled by the opposite side of the brain the left handed people can say they are the only ones in their right mind.:)

bobabode 04-11-2013 10:59 AM

I'm ambidextrous.:rolleyes:

Dondilion 04-11-2013 07:37 PM

I guess so************************ts and bolshevicks were were sinister and evil people.

Latin: SINISTER - on the left, unlucky.

ebacon 04-12-2013 01:37 PM

It was a few years ago that I finally learned the history of left and right. My understanding now is that it goes back to the French Revolution. At the time their leadership was divided between those that favored the monarchy (rich or 1%) and those that favored the workers (poor or 99%). The issues of the day became so divisive that the politicians clustered on separate sides of the aisle in their parliament. The pro-monarchy people sat on the right side and the pro-workers sat on the left side. Hence we still use the phrases right side and left side of the aisle. I think even in the U.S. the Republicans sit on the right and the Democrats sit on the left when facing the bench.

A thought that has been rolling around my head with regard to Ayn Rand and the rise of out-of-control capitalism is the question of how we got here. Recall that the racket started on the right with Ronald Reagan and deregulation and lower taxes. They quickly caught on and derided it as voodoo economics. After that the left started up with Al Gore and his NAFTA push, which was the first step in the globalism/New World Order craze. The old right still tried to hang on to sanity through Ross Perot but didn't have enough numbers. Bill Clinton ended up winning that election and deregulated the banks which let the animals loose. After that the push moved back to the right and scared voters into joining them for fear of angry teenagers aka terrorists. Of course by that time the old right had been replaced with the new right, aka neocons.

There's a big game afoot and it's coming out of NYC.

I just got back from a business trip. On the way I met an Italian national. He said that Italians are just as frustrated as we are. All of their high-brand goods such as Gucci, etc, are also being made in China and their workers have also been displaced. I saw the same thing in Germany.

Whoever is behind this globalism project needs to make it work. My hunch, of course, is that it's not supposed to work at all. Instead it is designed to cause strife. When that happens the people that caused the strife will step up with an ultimate solution that they have prepared.

Left and Right. What's old is new again. Maybe we need to go full circle and urge someone to re-explain the Enlightenment.

Dondilion 04-12-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153614)

There's a big game afoot and it's coming out of NYC.

I just got back from a business trip. On the way I met an Italian national. He said that Italians are just as frustrated as we are. All of their high-brand goods such as Gucci, etc, are also being made in China and their workers have also been displaced. I saw the same thing in Germany.

Whoever is behind this globalism project needs to make it work. My hunch, of course, is that it's not supposed to work at all. Instead it is designed to cause strife. When that happens the people that caused the strife will step up with an ultimate solution that they have prepared.

Left and Right. What's old is new again. Maybe we need to go full circle and urge someone to re-explain the Enlightenment.

What is the NYC game about?

Globalism has worked. It has lifted millions out of dire poverty.

ebacon 04-13-2013 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 153688)
What is the NYC game about?

Globalism has worked. It has lifted millions out of dire poverty.

What? Are you brain dead?

ebacon 04-13-2013 05:40 AM

Shut off welfare and turn off the printing presses see how the system performs. It's an illusion.

BlueStreak 04-13-2013 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153614)
It was a few years ago that I finally learned the history of left and right. My understanding now is that it goes back to the French Revolution. At the time their leadership was divided between those that favored the monarchy (rich or 1%) and those that favored the workers (poor or 99%). The issues of the day became so divisive that the politicians clustered on separate sides of the aisle in their parliament. The pro-monarchy people sat on the right side and the pro-workers sat on the left side. Hence we still use the phrases right side and left side of the aisle. I think even in the U.S. the Republicans sit on the right and the Democrats sit on the left when facing the bench.

A thought that has been rolling around my head with regard to Ayn Rand and the rise of out-of-control capitalism is the question of how we got here. Recall that the racket started on the right with Ronald Reagan and deregulation and lower taxes. They quickly caught on and derided it as voodoo economics. After that the left started up with Al Gore and his NAFTA push, which was the first step in the globalism/New World Order craze. The old right still tried to hang on to sanity through Ross Perot but didn't have enough numbers. Bill Clinton ended up winning that election and deregulated the banks which let the animals loose. After that the push moved back to the right and scared voters into joining them for fear of angry teenagers aka terrorists. Of course by that time the old right had been replaced with the new right, aka neocons.

There's a big game afoot and it's coming out of NYC.

I just got back from a business trip. On the way I met an Italian national. He said that Italians are just as frustrated as we are. All of their high-brand goods such as Gucci, etc, are also being made in China and their workers have also been displaced. I saw the same thing in Germany.

Whoever is behind this globalism project needs to make it work. My hunch, of course, is that it's not supposed to work at all. Instead it is designed to cause strife. When that happens the people that caused the strife will step up with an ultimate solution that they have prepared.

Left and Right. What's old is new again. Maybe we need to go full circle and urge someone to re-explain the Enlightenment.

A coworker of mine didn't believe me when I described the dire economic situation Japan has been in for the last couple decades, until he went home and started researching it himself. He thought because the Japanese were such hard workers (and largely non-union), that their bosses loved them and wanted to take care of them. He knows better now. The Japanese worker has gotten screwed even harder than we have.

I believe the whole outsourcing thing was a deliberate plan to force workers in the first world, not just union workers in non-Right to be the Bosses Bitch States, but all of us, to our knees. To break our bad habit of standing up for ourselves, show us the "only" way to keep food in our bellies and be ever thankful to the "Lord" for whatever table scraps the Plutocrats feel like tossing us. Oh, and of course, we must learn the golden values of conformity, maleability and subservience.

See, Fellas. They can let you keep your damn peashooters and take your freedom anyways. No stormtrooper is coming to kick in your doors. They don't have to. All they have to do is lay you off for a couple years, starve you for cash for a while. Sooner, or later you'll be more than happy to take whatever low wage shit job they offer you. And have you feeling "blessed" to have it...................You putz.

But, you still don't see it, do you?

Have a Great Day!

Dave

Dondilion 04-13-2013 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153714)
What? Are you brain dead?

Millions of Chinese!

ebacon 04-13-2013 10:40 AM

Oh yeah, the Chinese factory workers that are kept in dormitories with safety nets under the windows. I forgot about how awesome they have it now.

ebacon 04-13-2013 10:40 AM

Good grief.

Dondilion 04-13-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153752)
Oh yeah, the Chinese factory workers that are kept in dormitories with safety nets under the windows. I forgot about how awesome they have it now.

You have no idea of what the level of poverty in China and many other Asian countries was prior to globalism.

ebacon 04-13-2013 11:29 AM

I don't care. Nor do I believe that the poverty level is any different now. Before they were poor in the country. Now they are poor in factories. Big chickenshit deal. And why the hell is it Americans have to lose jobs to buy Chinese crap with welfare money? If they are so damn rich they should be buying their own crap. The fact is that their workers are slaving for communist politicians. Those are the guys getting rich. Not the workers.

IMO Americans should focus on America. I'm crazy like that.

Dondilion 04-13-2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153759)
I don't care. Nor do I believe that the poverty level is any different now. Before they were poor in the country. Now they are poor in factories. Big chickenshit deal. And why the hell is it Americans have to lose jobs to buy Chinese crap with welfare money? If they are so damn rich they should be buying their own crap. The fact is that their workers are slaving for communist politicians. Those are the guys getting rich. Not the workers.

IMO Americans should focus on America. I'm crazy like that.

A Fantasy world!

Capitalists of whatever nationality will move their factors of production to wherever optimises their return.

ebacon 04-13-2013 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 153764)
A Fantasy world!

Capitalists of whatever nationality will move their factors of production to wherever optimises their return.

Ridiculous. They are only allowed to move because we let them. Did NAFTA exist prior to the 1990s? No. Did China get accepted to the WTO prior to 2001? No. Did our factories more prior to that? No.

Are you stupid or something?

bobabode 04-13-2013 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153767)
Ridiculous. They are only allowed to move because we let them. Did NAFTA exist prior to the 1990s? No. Did China get accepted to the WTO prior to 2001? No. Did our factories more prior to that? No.

Are you stupid or something?

Naw, he's a mushroom.;)

ebacon 04-13-2013 01:37 PM

Man alive. You would think he has never read a newspaper. As if we just let any old ships come into our ports, or any old semis cross our borders, or any old airplanes into our airspace.

It's just incredible how numb the right is anymore.

Dondilion 04-13-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153767)
Ridiculous. They are only allowed to move because we let them. Did NAFTA exist prior to the 1990s? No. Did China get accepted to the WTO prior to 2001? No. Did our factories more prior to that? No.

Are you stupid or something?

So nothing moved before Nafta or before China got accepted to WTO?

Globalization was taken place long before any of that. As a matter of fact globalization was forced on American and European capitalists because many of their products were becoming uncompetitve in the world at large versus especially those of the Japanese.

BlueStreak 04-14-2013 06:56 AM

Ha, ha, ha, ha!

OMG..........................

Dave

ebacon 04-14-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 153817)
Ha, ha, ha, ha!

OMG..........................

Dave



It's clear that the guys on Madison Ave. are earning their paychecks.

Whew! :D

BlueStreak 04-14-2013 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 153799)
So nothing moved before Nafta or before China got accepted to WTO?

Globalization was taken place long before any of that. As a matter of fact globalization was forced on American and European capitalists because many of their products were becoming uncompetitve in the world at large versus especially those of the Japanese.

Where have all the good jobs gone from Japan? Flip over any modern electronics equipment; "Made in Taiwan, China, Indonesia......". The vast majority of cars they sell here now are.......Assembled here from parts made in a a lot of places other than Japan. Ever heard the term, "Lost Generation"?

The Japanese worker made the same mistake workers here and in Europe did; They actually expected to live on their wages. And, in this day and age, THAT will not be tolerated so long as cheaper labor sources can be found.:rolleyes:

Dave

BlueStreak 04-14-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 153824)
It's clear that the guys on Madison Ave. are earning their paychecks.

Whew! :D

I know, right?

Dave

Dondilion 04-14-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 153764)
A Fantasy world!

Capitalists of whatever nationality will move their factors of production to wherever optimises their return.

Reinforcing!

BlueStreak 04-14-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 153843)
Reinforcing!

Reinforcing what? That we're right? That Capitalism run amuck is just as abusive as anything else?

Okay...Thanks. But, we've already noticed.

Dave

Dondilion 04-14-2013 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 153845)
Reinforcing what? That we're right? That Capitalism run amuck is just as abusive as anything else?

Okay...Thanks. But, we've already noticed.

Dave

Tilting against windmills!

d-ray657 04-14-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 153850)
Tilting against windmills!

It's hard for me to see crusading on behalf as capitalism as being idealistic. :rolleyes:

Regards,

D-Ray

Dondilion 04-14-2013 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 153854)
It's hard for me to see crusading on behalf as capitalism as being idealistic. :rolleyes:

Regards,

D-Ray



What some fail to see is that capitalism is energetic and cannot be bottled. Globalization is a natural outflow of its energy. With tremendous improvement and reduction in the cost of transportation and communication, globalization is increasing and will be increasing at an increasing rate. Attendant with this is a massive transfer of social capital from first world to formerly third world areas. An balance it is good for the world. Lee K. Yew saw this coming and adjusted his society accordingly.

There is a huge middle class emmerging in East/South East Asian. An area also with a multiplicity of new formidable learning centers.

bobabode 04-14-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 153854)
It's hard for me to see crusading on behalf as unfettered capitalism as being idealistic. :rolleyes:

Regards,

D-Ray

Fixed that for you, Don.;)


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