What the hell?!? Why is this even a question anymore?
 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...y.html?hpid=z2

Federal judge orders the "morning after pill" be made available to any woman who wants it, over the counter.

It's still a question because we still have religious freaks among us who think they are going to burn in hell if they help pay for contraception. They would rather force the woman into a position where she has to choose abortion, which they also oppose, or having the baby, which they will bitch about if they find out the kid and his mother is receiving any form of public assistance.

I think they're just fairytale believing as..................

To self; "Oh, Dave. Go put the headphones back on and chill out."

Dave

I hear you, Dave. I'm glad that this judge came right out and said that this issue has been political football for too long. FDA issued a 'no comment' in response. DOJ will issue an opinion, soon.

All this drug does, is to prevent implantation of a potentially fertilized ova. Somehow there are some who equate this with an abortion. It's simply a form of contraception, similar to the pill.

And, if up for adoption, 650. a month for 18 years of government money for foster care.

And then there are the costs to society in adulthood....
:(


Carl

Will we see a rise in STDs? Stay tuned.

Pete

What has a rise std's got to do with the morning after pill? :confused:


Carl

Pete just has to say something.

Dave

Ignorance?

Well hell, no wonder the damn things were not helping my hangovers.
Had it all wrong:confused:

Haw!:D Try swallowing an extra large prophylactic before you start drinking, Jack.:rolleyes:

That how it's done out in pornofornia Bob? What's happening? caught any
fish yet?

Naw, rock cod is all that's been happening hereabouts. That's just work dragging fish up from 300 ft. I might go halibut fishin' soon.

WTF...

" 2011 decision by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to bar over-the-counter sales of the pill to girls younger than 17.

Funny, I never thought Kathleen Sebelius was religious freak... :eek:

Halibut. Drool. :)

Calm down, JB.:rolleyes:

Oh chit sorry Bob, I didn't mean to actually read the article before making a comment... :rolleyes:

Think it through dudes...

No condom? It's OK I'll just take the pill tomorrow...

Pete

So what?
Think it through, dude. :rolleyes:

Carl

Less condom use = more STDs.

Pete

If she has to go to a drugstore to get the MA pill she might just as well go now as I imagine Ramses are cheaper.

So? Regualr B.C. pills look like this.

http://www.marshall.edu/wpmu/wcenter...11/BC-PILL.jpg


No STD protection there either, so what?


Carl

Update. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/he...l.html?hp&_r=0

FDA changes rules to make the morning after pill available and out on the shelves. Age restriction is 15 years.

Stop it Carl...Pete is running out of one liners.....

Makes sense to me. Giving a 15 year old the ticket to unfettered sexual freedom has about has much smarts attached to it as anything else we're doing in this country. :rolleyes:

I think you're living in a dream world if you think you can tell a fifteen year old anything, Mike. Alternatively, you've had a very sheltered life. How did that happen in Detroit of all places?

More on the history of this form of contraception. Like it or not, some teenagers will have sex when puberty hits them. Why turn it into something tragic?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...d84_story.html

Of course the religious nuts have completely forgotten about rape and incest. If it was her father that got her pregnant he is hardly the one to ask for permission.

You're right, Bob. Why set any limits at all for kids? A 15 year old boy or girl has all of the life experience and perspective they need to make sound decisions about anything: from who they might choose to associate with, to whether or not to get their asses out of bed to go to school, or even go to school at all, to who having sex. They're not going to listen to their stupid patents anyway. So let's just turn 'em loose. :rolleyes:

I've got news for you Bob. I've worked with a lot of screwed up teens who have told me that if some adult - parent, teacher, aunt, uncle, whatever - would have cared enough to intervene in their lives, their screwed up lives might have turned out a lot different. Sometimes the defiant behavior is just a kid's way of trying to find out if anyone cares.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we turn kids loose at 15, or at any 'teen age. Nor is the availabilty of Plan B likely to suddenly start a rash of teen sexual escapades. To begin with (knowing how drug companies think) it is likely to be a damn sight more expensive than a condom and they are no longer hidden behind the counter or had you not noticed?

But there will still be cases of non-consensual sex, or have you also not been reading the papers and the news about sexting. It should hopefully reduce the number of abortions.

We support Covenant House where they look after runaways in hope the Sisters will find them before the predators do. We do this for very personal reasons, my wife left home at 12:01 AM on her eighteenth birthday - children do not run away from happy homes.

I am sorry if this comes to you all as a shock but we do not live in a "one size fits all" society. When children are abused by the very people who should love them they will turn in desperation to anyone who offers affection, even if it is merely an act on that person's part just to get what they want.

Because BC pills aren't a condom the new drugs OK?

Good looking out Rob.

Pete

After we were married Florence would accompany me when I was teaching/lecturing in Europe. I just printed out a photograph in 11" x 14" on my big printer. It is one I took of her standing in the doorway of William Shakespeare's home in Stratford-on-Avon. I told her that I love this photo because she looks so happy. She looked at me and said she was never happier in her life than as my wife. I just ordered the frames for it and for one of the two of us on the grounds of Warwick Castle.

I came downstairs after brushing my teeth and said I will go out and open the greenhouse. She said how did you know what I was going to ask you? I just smiled, it was no accident that we met. I gave up the comfort and safety of my hotel room and set out into the teeth of a blizzard to catch my plane? Oh right, so who was going to fly in that weather. The semi I was following and I were doing 40 and 50 miles an hour with no problems, yet some guy manages to overturn his truck on a side road so she could not get home - sure. When the semi turned off I did not hesitate and followed. We both wound up in that hotel lobby and because she looked very nervous*, almost frightened, I told her not to worry for I would see nothing would happen to her. In the morning we shook hands and said we would be pen-pals. Eight months later we were married.

I don't wonder why we know what each other is thinking.

* She had two days store receipts in her briefcase, several thousand dollars.

Seems like you are a very lucky man Rob.

Pete

It does not come any luckier, she was a widow deserted by all their 'friends' and I would have been quite content had my doctor told me I only had two months more to live. That was over thirty years ago and things changed infinitely for the better after that night in the blizzard..:)

You are completely misunderstanding the subject and my views on the matter, nice job Mikey.

It is the parents job to teach their children well but sometimes accidents happen and sometimes not all parents are up to the job. I'm sure you will do a good job with your daughters, Mike but I ask again, why turn something into a potentially tragic ordeal of a hobson's choice of abortion or forcing the minor to carry full term and then putting the unwanted child up for adoption, that could all be prevented by this medication?

I don't think you are thinking this through to any kind of logical resolution, Mike.

Let me ask this, why is the Republican party so all fired up and concerned with a fetus but once it's post partum they apparently couldn't care less?

Well, waddya know? Here's a quick update posted on the top of the NYT webpage:

Department of Justice to Appeal Judge’s Ruling Against Age Limits for Morning-After Pill

And for the reasons I outlined in post #30 I completely agree with the court. Tis hardlt a Tuba Mirum event.

Thanks Rob. I had to look that up and I learned something today.

...and the latest. Why is the DOJ even fighting this?:confused:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...uling/?hpid=z3

Probably because minors can't vote. This is just stupid.