The House just voted
 

Health Care Reform just passed in the House.

It's a start.

Could make for interesting Sunday morning talk-show interviews.

Not surprised.

Do I get a new pony?

Chas

Sorry, you're not allowed to buy a pony because you had a pre-existing condition. I know you have the money for a pony, and yes, there are ponies for sale. Just not to you.

I wanted a "free" pony.

Chas

No free ponies. No free health care either. Guess you were listening to Beck again. Glad they got that "fast sale" over with. It's been going on for almost a year now.

Key points of the bill. Guess they *did* read it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11...y5570605.shtml

And the full text of the bill -

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

No free ponies, or health care?

Well, shit to bed Fred!!!!

To be completely honest, I have no idea of what they have just passed.

Which, I would imagine, puts me on par with everyone in the House, no matter which way they voted.

Might be good, might be bad, but if they haven't included themselves I'm inclined to be suspect of it.

Besides, the show just started.

Tonite.

The days of passing bills late on a Saturday night thinking that no one's watching are over.

Chas

No FREE ponies...boob jobs...nose jobs...lipo suction...uplifts of any sort?
Probably...sex changes. All of the above for Washington? Nobody thought about that...eh? What would Pelosi do? :eek:

Well Chas, as the little boy said, "There has to be a pony in there somewhere.":rolleyes:

Will it pay my mortgage ? Wheres my obamamoney ???????

Nor do I.

I am sure that it is not universal health care and will only make more money for the insurance companies. This is not "a start" to universal health care but rather a continuation of the "compromise" that gave us the Bush Medicare drug prescription plan that made the drug companies even wealthier.

I have no doubt this is universal garbage, not universal health care. Obie should not accept this. I am very upset with this crap.


This country needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Thank you Rob, I was needing a good laugh!!!

Chas

Are we happy now?
 

Some of us thought it was being pushed too quickly. It'll be interesting to hear how women feel about having to add RIDER for abortions to their policies. :eek:

Yawn.

Dave

You can blame the so called Blue Dogs for that bit of nonsense. For a bunch of lawyers they do love playing doctor.

This is bad....

Thats funny...So true. Of coarse the Senate will have their say...but I do wonder if Judge Sotomayor could be engaged in her first real interpretation. Just saying...;)

Yeah, they've been making the "fast sell" on health care reform for about a year now. Now we get to watch the Senate move at lightning speed and take another year...

I'm sure this will be offensive to at least one of you, but if you'd like to know what's in the bill, I think it took me about 90 seconds to read through the link I posted last night. Sure, it's not everything (though I posted a link to that too) but it should alleviate the "I have no idea what they passed" blues.

It's not a perfect bill, but there's way too much good in there to be against it from my perspective. Yeah, I'd have preferred a single pay program. But that is socialist and somehow the Republicans made that a dirty word. So we get this instead. I'll take it. Gets rid of the most egregious Insurance company practices.

It is ridiculous. I'm not a fan of abortion. But it is legal and it is the kind of thing you'd think you might need a doctor for. Silly to pretend that they're somehow being pro-life with goofy crap like this.

More than just Blue Dogs. It got 64 Democratic votes.

John

Interesting that Dems only used enough votes to win so that "some dems could state that they had not voted for it during the next election". That tells me that no Dems would have voted for it if they did'nt have to.

I'm sure -anyone- could read through your link in 90 seconds. The problem is .. that is someone's -interpretation- of what's in the bill. And as such you can go on the web and find any number of these "interpretations".

And to be fair, how many can read that -entire- document and truly understand what's contained within?

I guess I base my judgment on this through other means. Taking money from Medicare ? That's low. Thinking that a Government run program will be more efficient? That's naive to the extreme. Thinking the cost estimates are accurate and won't be overrun ? C'mon.... are you serious? Providing health care to illegals? That's insane.

Why is this legislation being held to a standard that *no other in the history of the United States* has been held to? Did you read the "Patirot Act" before it was passed? You want to read it, read it. You can't understand it? Well, that pretty much makes it exactly like every other bill passed in the last 200 years.

You're against taking money from Medicare, but you are against Government run health care?

This is different from every other vote how? Note there was one Republican vote from a freshmen in a very Democratic region. It's amazing anything gets done, especially when it's known before hand that it will be used as leverage in the next election cycle. In some districts, a vote for this will hurt a candidate. In some districts, a vote against this will hurt a candidate. Just how it is. And just how this is always done.

Good point in your first paragraph. If it was a bad idea then, it's a bad idea now. When do we collectively say "enough" and demand a cure to that ?

Re the Medicare, I say it's low to pull money away from it -now- as it's an established program , and so many older folks (including my parents) will be negatively impacted. However Medicare is a -shining example- of a Government run medical program, and the costs overruns you can expect!

How about my other two points? The cost overruns and the free medical care for illegals? That will happen, and you know it....

I find something strange in all this talk that illegals will get health care, not that they don't already, ask the governor of Arizona. My medicare number is my SSN, hell you can't even open a bank account without an SSN. Sure some illegals use real peoples SSNs - hey if one want's to use mine and jack up my SS payments be my guest. So AFAIK no SSN, no health insurance, and I doubt that the government will hesitate to use their SSN verification system.

Mind you I still believe they should have gone Single Payer and told the insurance companies to drop dead, just like the insurance companies tell their policy holders.

Well, I looked at the clip, didn't spend 90 seconds on it, but it looked good on paper. Still don't understand why it took 1,900 pages to say what the clip said.

Reading the entire bill is beyond me.

But I have come up with a new way to evaluate legislation. I figure that if you're for it, then I should be against it!!!!!

Besides, no legislation has been passed.

"Now this is not the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill

I'll just wait and see what happens next.

Chas

Well, I will say, I appreciate this attitude. I don't mind people being against something. I just hate that so many misdirections have been thrown out at this particular piece of legislation. Criticize the content, but don't criticize the process now when you had nothing to say while passing legislation you supported.

Thanks Chas. Made my morning.

Take care,

Ed

Apparently when people you voted for are no longer taking away my rights and persecuting people who don't live the way you live. This is just noise that has nothing at all to do with the issue at hand.

As for cost overruns and such, sorry, but again, this is different from everything ever done how? Why do we care all of a sudden now? Were you marching on Washington saying "This Iraq thing is a bad idea- cost over runs will kill our economy"? I suspect not. Your arguments are arguments that could be used against any piece of legislation. I find it ironic that people who rolled on just fine while passing things I didn't agree with are all of a sudden so worried about the process.

If you do a little research on the proposal, no services will be cut for people on Medicade or Medicare. Think about it. Look at the post earlier asking for the free health care. Well there isn't free health care, but there will be better access to health care at lower prices. So we won't need as many supplemental programs to make it work. Look, that's a very quick and shoddy overview, but there is plenty of information available about this if you're really interested. But most people who are yelling about this kind of thing are just looking for some reason to be against it. I hope you're not one of them.

And Medicare *is* more efficient than private insurance. Again, there is a lot of information on this. Medicare is a great example of how well the Government actually does this kind of thing. Expanding it is a great way to cover more people with high quality, lower cost medical care.

Take care,

Ed

Next year if it didn't pass. Who knows how long it will go on, however, with Lieberman going along with the GOP stall tactics.

Regards,

D-Ray

Hey Eddie,

I don't mind having a discussion with you. However can you leave out accusatory stuff like you posted above ? Just because I don't think this health care bill is a good idea, don't go assuming you know who I voted for, how I feel about everything in general, nor the way I live, etc.

thanks, Ohighway

But, but....I though Holy Joe was the "Conscious of the Senate", at least while he was still a Donk.

And when I gaze upon these 100 worthies, I think that he still is.

But I grade on the curve.

Chas

If this does pass, I wonder how many people are going to quit med school in favor of becoming stockbrokers.

Chas

Now this is exactly the response I would expect from a right wing, bible thumping, snake kissing, Beck induced fringitic!!!!

Damn peckerwood!!!!

Chas

Given the amount of money the industry spent* trying to stop it I find it rather amazing that it went through.

*Do you know we are the only country that legalizes bribery? Oh I know, they call it Lobbying and the Supremes blessed it so my understanding of English must be bad 'cause I see nowt in the Constitution that favors it.

I didn't know that.

Chas

I notice you didn't say I was wrong. Yeah, I have a reputation for being offensive around here. People don't like my particular brand of mirror. I'm trying. Looks like I'm failing. I'll keep working on it.

Good grief! That attitude is precisely what's wrong with our current batch of Republicans. They oppose absolutely everything the Dems put forward, purely on principle. Then they whine about a lack of bipartisanship.

John