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Wow, the NRA thinks we are actually dumb enough to believe that pack of lies, huh?:eek:


Carl

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In 35-second video posted online Tuesday night, the NRA criticizes Obama for accepting armed Secret Service protection for his daughters, Sasha and Malia, at their private Washington, D.C., school while questioning the placement of similar security at other schools.

“Are the president’s kids more important than yours? Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools, when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school?” the narrator says.

“Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, but he’s just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security,” it continues. “Protection for their kids and gun-free zones for ours.”

The immediate family members of U.S. presidents – generally considered potential targets – have long received Secret Service protection.

The ad appeared on a new website for a NRA advocacy campaign – “NRA Stand and Fight” — that the gun-rights group appears poised to launch in response to Obama’s package of gun control proposals that will be announced today.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...violence-plan/


You have to be real scumbags to bring his daughters in this even if they have to have SS protection whether they want it or not. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/ima...thumbsdown.gif


Carl

Some people have no decency.

I caught that reading the Washington Post last night. Idjits, indeed. They sure are sounding more desperate and batshit crazy than ever, since Newtown. Too bad because the NRA could have been a willing partner in the revamp of our gun laws. As others have already said, the NRA has seized to be a gun owners and hunters group and been totally turned into a gun manufacturers trade group.

Maybe it is time for our fellow citizens who hunt and collect guns to form an organization that reflects their own values. To my mind the NRA has passed in to irrelevance and as Boreas has said, a paper tiger in the political arena.

Unfortunately, many of us are just that, Carl.

Regards,
Dave

I was in a Meijers big box store today with the wife. Walked over just to see what ammo was available. Must of been an impromptu meeting of the wing nut club going on in the sporting goods department. A group of five guys all pissed that Obama is buying up all the ammo:confused:????

Felt sorry for the fellow behind the counter having to smile and listen to all the conspiracy theories. Listen for awhile made a few comments was outnumbered but unafraid of them. They are laughable in their arguments, so uninformed or having the talking points from Fox or Angry Man radio.

BTW only hand gun rounds left were 38 special. Two boxes at $20.00/fifty each.




Barney

The only thing I'm really afraid of is that gun seizures will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The longer the gun lobby goes on fighting even the most mild attempt to rein in out of control proliferation, the bigger the problem gets. The bigger the problem gets, the more likely that draconians measure will have to be taken at some point in the future. Especially if someone in the gun toting citizen-militia world starts seriously fomenting violent revolution. No government on earth would sit idly by and let that grow. Ours either.

Why don't these people see that? Are they really this short-sighted?

Regards,
Dave

The Democrats are using a national tragedy as ammunition to lash out at
the NRA and anyone who supports it because they are a "thorn in their side".
It's not about protecting American citizens or children at all and never will
be. It's an attack against the NRA and anyone who voted against them.
You know it and I know it.

No. You're wrong. And, it's that paranoid mentality that's
ripping this country in half. Stop it.

Regards,
Dave

I don't know it, and I'm sorry for us all if too many people believe as you do. Don't you think that it is possible that people were genuinely moved by the tragedy? I believe that many many people have been becoming more and more frustrated by the continuing litany of such tragedies. Taking a position contrary to a particular interest group is not punishing that group, but it it is making policy choices that other interests are more important. It is the NRA that avowedly punishes those who disagree with it. It sounds to me like you are projecting.

Regards,

D-Ray

Bullcrap. Well, more like steer manure but why quibble? Sorry, Jack but the writing's on the wall-no more military grade weapons in civilian hands, no more high capacity magazines, no more unregulated private sales of firearms and serious background checks are going to be instituted. Y'all have no one to blame but yourselves. You aren't one of those paranoiacs who thinks that these shooters were Democrat agents/plants who killed all of those kids and teachers? What about that orange haired psyco who shot up the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado? Was he a plant?
Thorn in their side? It's more like a splinter in my finger, festering a bit, but I keep on working...

Speaking of which, gotta go unplug a toilet and re seat it, the flange is probably toast, dang it!. Sure is preferable to reading the far right wingnuttery spewing crazy shit here.:eek:;) See ya later, fellas.:D

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/167759/j...#ixzz2IBYNcFgB



Carl

Jack, you and the rest of the gun nuts have lost the moral argument and now, with over 80% of the people, and over half of NRA members, favoring stricter gun controls, you're abbout to lose the political argument. Get used to.it.

John

BS is reminding me more and more of mezz the way he whistles past the graveyard of his paranoid political dreams.

John

The longer you blind idiots drag this out, the worse it will get. You are your own worst enemy.

I see nothing in what has been proposed as a "gun grab". There are NO proposed gun seizures, AFAIK. You have NO REASONABLE purpose for owning any of the affected weapons (By a potential ban.) anyways.

You're nothing but a spoiled little punk, bitching and crying because you're afraid mommy is going to take your toys. Grow up.

Regards,
Dave

Just how much worst will it get? Then when it gets to that point a bigger hammer will fall. One way more Draconian then anything proposed so far. Then who will they blame? Not themselves I know for sure!


Will it take a Republican being shot? Like after Reagan and Brady were shot? Lets hope the Wife's and Mothers of the nation children weigh in on the side of common sense regarding this issue.


I for one do not want to see or hear of another shooting.



Barney

Come on guys, is this any way to welcome back an old friend? I throw you a bone
and get accussed of being a paranoid conspiracy theory right wing nut job?

The NRA is under attack and they are not going down without throwing a
few punches. They are being drug into this fight along with innocent hobbyist,
hunters and sportsmen. An assault weapons and clip ban is just a formality.
What is an assault weapon anyhow? A military grade weapon designed to
wound and not kill? Those AR style weapons use a .223 which is really just
a souped up squirrel round. Does a pistol grip and a short stock make a rifle
more deadly? Take that same rifle and remove the pistol grip, add a scope and
it's just a common hunting rifle for small game. A common deer rifle could
be easily modified becoming much more of an assault rifle than a military
type assault rifle. 3 ten round clips could easily be cut with a dremel tool
and pieced into a 30 round clip.
Having said all that I do agree that the average guy should be subjected to
a background check before buying a gun and doctors should be able to report
persons of questionable mental health. But only under the conditions that the
government can not access those records and it is run by a third party.
Is that too much to ask?

The guy that bombed the university in Syria killed 82.
I wonder if he would have gone to the trouble of making or acquiring a bomb had there been a gun handy?

If we lived in this magical fantasy land without guns, we might be just like Syria, where a super power starts flooding the country with lots of military grade weapons to those they support.
It'd be loverly, as long as you were on the side getting the guns.

Every gun store, Walmart, Pawn Shops, they are all bought out. It's all gone,
amost every gun and all the ammunition save for a few 22 shorts and some
nearly obsolete caliber stuff. All I have seen left is a few 22 cricket guns and
shotguns.

So, where'd you get the fake tears talking point? Was it on the NRA website or spouted by Limbaugh or Hannity? It really just serves to show you as less than serious in your arguments. You might also be taken more seriously if you used figures of speech accurately. The saying is about one being his own worst enemy.

Regards,

D-Ray

I'd say this is prima facie evidence of the paranoid derangement of the gun nuts on the right (for the record, I'm a gun owner but didn't race out and buy anything).

And others of us live in the fantasy that we are all still in Dodge City in the wild wild west.

Regards,

D-Ray

There are plenty of guns handy in Syria. Some weapons are more effective than others. Like I'm pretty darn sure you can take out more people in a shorter amount of time with a bomb than you can with an assault rifle. Just as you can take out a whole lot more people in a much shorter period of time with one of these;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks5idq69MN4

...than you can trying to run over people with a Cadillac in a movie theater or choke 100 people in a crowded church with your bare hands.

Your arguments are stupid. I don't see why you even continue to waste your time, or ours, making them.:confused:

Regards,
Dave

The last assault weapons ban was a joke. Remove this and change that screw
and it's legal. Order lower receiver here, order buttstock here, order grenade
launcher here. Fed Ex delivers and DIY. Maybe it saved some lives, I hope it
did but there were work arounds.

So here's a conspiracy theory for you. There are those who posited that Obama set up the Sandy Hook shooting so that he could advance gun control. It is just as plausible that the whole incident was staged by the NRA and the rest of the gun industry so that they could profit from creating a scare that the gubmint is coming after people's guns. Just sayin'.

Regards,

D-Ray

I truly hope that people could not be that evil.

Oh, Bull**it. And you aren't at all "emotional" about the subject? Spare me.

It's because your arguments are vapid. What GOOD purpose do these weapons serve in our society? Huh? Why do you think we have such a horrid gun violence record in this country? Because we have more criminals or crazy people (Per capita.) than everyone else?

NO, IT'S BECAUSE OUR GUN LAWS ARE TOO LAX.

We are awash in deadly weapons that a criminal or crazy person simply steals one or buys one from careless owners and secondary market dealers.

When are you going to figure that out?

Regards,
Dave

See, Jack. We have something that we agree on.

Wasn't it you who mentioned here one time about mandatory safety training in order to get a gun license? If so, we would agree on that one too.

Regards,

D-Ray

This is easy for many of them to believe...........

But, suggest that Bush could have been behind 9/11.:eek:

(For the record, I don't believe he was. I'm just sayin'.)

Regards,
Dave

Me too, Jack. But, sometimes, I wonder......................:(

Regards,
Dave

Yes, it is too much to ask. What third party did you have in mind? The NRA perhaps? Not only would I not trust them to consciously screen applicants for anyone too unstable for gun ownership but I would be very uncomfortable having an advocacy group like them in possession of confidential and potentially damaging information on private citizens. Plus, if the government couldn't access the records it would give the organization impunity to approve unstable people or deny eligible people on the basis of, say, political party affiliation, sexual orientation or religion.

And tell me the fucking NRA would never stoop to that!

And a Bushmaster a squirrel rifle? Gimme a freakin' break!

John

In Indiana all you need to do is pass a State Police background check fill out the form and pay your fee's to get a lifetime CC permit!







Barney

Yes, but there probably are places where you can't get a license unless you know how to spell it.

John

Or you could just forget the whole thing.

After listening to the hard core gun enthusiasts here, in the media, and with friends, I've come to the conclusion that they just won't get the reasonable logic behind banning assault weapons until they see a loved one riddled with bullets.

Quite frankly, I think all this selfishness of having to have such deadly toys is like spitting on the memories of those who died at Sandy Hook

And The movie theater

And columbine

And... Well, all the other innocents who paid the price for a selfish, self centered gun culture.

With reciprocity if I remember correctly....scary........

I never suggested the NRA but how about a non profit group made up of?
I dont know honest people of some sort elected by the people. It could
be funded by permits and background checks. I don't really trust the
goverment in that respect and not because of who they are and what
they stand for now but what other Governments have done with that
information in the past and God forbid what ours might become at a
later date. Turn on the news and you see other countries bombing and
shooting their own citizens and somehow that will never happen here?
It has happened here and we have only been "civilized" for what one century?
less? I really don't want to look it up but there have been over 100 million
people exterminated in this world just in the last 100 years by other countries
after gun control was implemented. Another thing, you get the wrong people
running this background check business and they could determine anyone
mentally unstable and "process them"

Ok maybe not a squirrel gun but certainly not a big game round. Those .223
military rounds are not legal for deer in Georgia. Ever wonder why people are
shot so many times by these?

Is this really the argument you are going for. That because the round is jacketed and does not "mushroom" or come apart like a non jacketed round that people are shot more times with them. You're logic would follow that the round should be unjacketed so the loon could kill more people as one shot one kill with that non jacketed round?

You really should read what you post before you post it. You're shooting your own argument in the foot.