2 year term. Good or bad.
 

As I understand it, unless in time of war no U.S. president can hold office for more than two consecutive terms. This might have made sense in the days when large sections of the public were denied the vote but now?

If you have a spectacularly good president, someone universally respected, why should they be forced from office after 8 years?

We've already had one President for Life in spite of G. Washingtons' disapproval.

Be careful, the GOP will reanimate Reagan :)

Btw, no exceptions, war, whatever. It never ceases to amaze me that we held elections at all during the civil war.

Pete

Do some research on why the two limit term came about. Yeah the Republicans were behind it....

Washington was a Republican?

One of the reasons I strongly dislike FDR was his cavalier attitude towards it.

Pete

I know you meant 2 term limit in your thread title, but Freud got to you. Now we know you really favor reducing each term to only 2 years, and I kinda agree. Between moving in and moving out, they'd barely have time to feck up anything.

Washington wasn't behind it.

FDR was certainly one of the two greatest presidents we ever had and Washington isn't the other one.

John

That could be argued. FWIW, David McCullough considers him the best as he had the opportunity to essentially become our own King George and chose not to. Instead, he restrained any ambition he may have had in service of the nation and set the precedent for all future Presidents.

So, he's one of out greatest because of what he didn't do. ;)

John

Some would say that is the definition of a great politician. :)

He would have to run as a Dem...:D

As you wish.

A 2 term limit was discussed by the convention but not added. Washington believed it should be, and purposely stepped down after 2 terms even though he easily could've won again.

FDR was the first President to ignore him.

Pete

And the law FDR broke was . . . . ?

Regards,

D-Ray

None, but the law of respect for the Father of our Country :)

Heck I don't remember which election it was, but it was about to be unanimous, a real landslide. One of the states cast their vote for the other guy. The reason? He said only Washington should have that honor.

Pete

You mean the citizens of the United States ignored Washington for voting for FDR four times. Of course, Americans would never do that for a Republican now would they......

I understand, but our masters of the universe should know better.

Pete

Pete .....we were much better off with FDR than Dewey or Landon. God makes things work out for a reason.

We know that how exactly? Keep in mind that Hoover started many of FDRs alphabet soup programs, and it still took a massive bloody war to get us out of the depression.

Pete

You do not get it...Hoover did not go far enough. That is why no one wanted to go back to the GOP until the 50s. Hoover and the pain of the Great Depression were one and the same to the average American.

The only real difference is, Hoover would only give aid to the States to distribute, in deference to our system of government, while FDR gave it directly to individuals.

FDR was also a much better speaker.

If folks look at Hoover and the depression as one in the same it is on them, through ignorance.

Pete

NO NO NO
read some history of the era

Hoover would not go as far as FDR....he was not ready to use Keyesian economics full tilt like FDR did. FDR was able to instill confidence and pull us out. If Hoover was any good he would have been re-elected. I do not believe in alternative history unless I am reading science fiction.

I agreed he was the better speaker, and mentioned he was willing to, um, push the boundries of Federal government once a few SC justices got out of the way.

He was also very good at running on a bogus neutrality platform. And perhaps refusing refugees.

But he did not pull us out.

Pete

What was wrong with being anti-Nazi? I am sure if Hoover was at the helm he would have been the "Savior".

Does not matter what you believe. Americans returned him 4 times to office.

I'm not sure how running on an antiwar platform, or turning away Jewish refugees, makes for anti-nazi.

But yes, he was President-For-Life (sigh).

;)

Pete

Oh you have not brought up how he was in on Pearl Harbor yet Pete....

Because I'm not talking about alternate realities Ice ;)

Perhaps we should agree to disagree :cheers:

Pete

Agreeing to disagree is a limp-wristed way of saying let's fight again tomorrow.

I prefer here's to you, here's to me, if we ever disagree, fuck you, here's to me. And right now I disagree with the neocon path of the Republican party.

LMAO!!!

Pete

Friends again hurray:D

For a cold war liberal with a slightly GOP bent from Cleveland your ok!

bam!:d

We can debate the topic of WWII pulling us out of the depression another time.

FDR was a very wealthy man, who cared about the common man. He did not have to worry about offending the ruling upper class so he took the fight to them. the ruling elites hated the New Deal. They tried very hard to unseat FDR so he exposed them for what they were without worrying about being ruined financially.

http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/ne...alth-and-power

I worked on the restoration of the cabins at a WPA project a few years ago. One of the guys I was working with pointed out a name on the plaque and told me it was his father who was very young at the time. He then repeated stories his father had told him, years ago about the WPA project, and how it saved his family from utter poverty. The project was in NW Arkansas which was affected by the Dust Bowl so it was very hard to farm and that is how most people made a living here at that time.

One funny thing about the restoration project was the restoration of the permanent concrete picnic tables that were washed away in a flood a few years before. They had to be made to the exact specifications of the original tables. The space between the table and the bench was so small a normal sized adult today can't sit at the tables.

Many of the CCC and WPA projects in this state are now state parks that generates millions of dollars a year for the state. They are a gift that keeps on giving.

One of the unexpected benefits of the projects were the men who worked on them learned to live away from home for extended periods of time, they learned to work as a team on the various projects like dam building, building their housing, and even building outdoor movie theaters that are still used today. They ate together, slept in close quarters, and worked their ass' off during the day. Sounds kind of like basic training for the military. Believe me those hillbilly's could already hit a gnats ass at a hundred yards with a rifle. They were already mostly trained when called up to serve in WWII.

My favorite WPA/CCC projects is the Red Rock Ampatheater near Morrison, Colorado. I saw Dave Matthews there in 95 while visiting a friend. It was an incredible concert. The acoustics were very good in the ampitheater. I saw him again a few years ago. It was good but you could really tell LeRoi Moore was not on woodwinds.

I'm uncertain how to take that :D

Pete

Hey wig, I actually lived in an old CCC dorm for 6 months, and there's their stuff all over the place around here in the parks etc. Built like brick shithouses.

Which I assume from common venacular are built pretty well! :)

Pete

Context Pete!

World war 1 was still in memory. That European disaster which sucked in Americans!

Still ,outsmarting the opposition, he found a way to supply and support Britain.

Regarding the war, I have no problems with what he actually did (outside of Pearl Harbor prep!). Too easy to armchair quarterback.

But he ran on an antiwar platform...

Pete

Shouldn't everyone?

:) Touche' and amen! Happy Thanksgiving, Zeke!

I do not think anyone ever runs on a pro-war motif...think Nixon and Vietnamization and how long that took plus the escalation of the war into Cambodia. Bush ran on a stay the course sort of campaign re Iraq. I was in Iraq at the time. I was really angry he waited until after the election for the invasion of Fallouja in November in which about 150 men and women died that month. I thought it was sort of put off until after the election so he would not be damaged with the electorate. Speculation but that was how I felt at the time.

I guess the greatest example would be the Wilson campaign slogan "He Kept Us Out of War" which was negated by the resumption of Germany's unrestricted sinking of US merchant ships.....causing us to inter in 1916 or so.

If my memory serves me......it was the Marines who were sent in to do house to house fighting in Fallouja. What a waste of the flower of our youth!

My son was involved in that. He doesn't talk about it much.

As terrible as it was for our soldiers, it was - and continues to be - far worse for the civilian population of Falujah.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-2034065.html

John