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mezz 10-10-2012 01:18 PM

A very bad week for Obama indeed
 
As Wednesday rolled in this morning it became apparent that Obama has had his worst week of the campaign... thus far.

Emerging from three years of being coddled by the media, insulated from meaningful debate by his administration and being held largely above the fray by the office of the presidency Obama appears to have fallen victim to having become a believer of his own nasty campaign propaganda as well as convinced that the American people had swallowed his lies hook line and sinker while they also failed to see through his facade.

His arrogance caused him to be unprepared for the first debate last Tuesday, it caused him to be unable to come to grips with the idea that he lost soundly on both substance and presentation and it has caused him to continue to believe that his campaign of distraction and character assassination is going to prevent a landslide in November in this climate of economic national despair brought on by his failure to lead.

The voting public was able to see the real Mitt Romney, many for the very first time, last Tuesday as he was able to present himself without the bias of the media and free of the lies and deceptions the Obama campaign has used to try to define him. Obama looked weak trying to rebut some of Romney's attacks by pulling out tired old campaign talking points when Romney was right there to refute them and explain exactly how they are overwhelmingly baseless, and not even very intelligent, lies.

Obama's integrity suffered even further this week, when in the face of a very obvious and growing voter backlash, the magnitude of which has as of yet been unprecedented in this election, continues, along with many of his supporters, to act with immaturity and arrogance by refusing to acknowledge his poor debate performance by first trying to attack Romney's character and truthfulness. Then came the blaming of the mediator, his debate prep partner, even the altitude. Lastly he spent the week running new ads on Big Bird rather than even trying to address anything Romney scored points on last week... and there were a lot of points scored.

So now we near the later part of this week with Benghazi Gate exposing a pathetic and incompetent foreign policy and another reprehensible cover-up of this admin's continued failures and the looming VP debate which offers the prospect for another potentially embarrassing defeat for the Obama campaign.

Team Obama which hadn't yet faced an election challenge prior to 2012 and has very little if anything to show for 4 years in office is now deservedly on it's way out. The wheels are now in motion and the train is picking up speed. Time to sit back and watch a landslide.

Boreas 10-10-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mezz (Post 128044)
Time to sit back and watch a landslide.

Good idea. You do that.

John

piece-itpete 10-10-2012 01:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4o7annpeU

bobabode 10-10-2012 01:31 PM

Stuff it, plagerist.

Boreas 10-10-2012 01:50 PM

I should remind you, though, that the popular vote doesn't decide the election. Right Now the President is looking pretty good electorally.

Obama (221)
Romney (181)
Undecided (136)

Battleground states (numbers in brackets are electoral votes):

Florida (29) -0.7%
Pennsylvania (20) +4.2%
Ohio (18) +0.8%
North Carolina (15) -3.0%
Virginia (13) +0.3%
Wisconsin (10) +5.0%
Missouri (10) -5.2%
Colorado (9) -0.5%
Iowa (6) +3.2%
Nevada (6) +0.7%

So, if the undecided "battleground states stay as they are, the electoral vote will be:

Obama (221 + 73 = 294)
Romney (181 + 63 = 244)

No question the President had a bad week but not bad enough to change the likely outcome. We'll see what happens tomorrow night and at the Town Hall debate. Maybe some "ordinary citizens" will have more guts than the press and call Romney on his lies.

John

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...llege_map.html

BlueStreak 10-10-2012 01:55 PM

Romney has "truthfulness"? (The word is "honesty", BTW.)
What has he ever been honest about?

Regards,
Dave

ebacon 10-10-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 128048)

That's the ticket. In the beginning you can clearly see that it came from the right. :D

bobabode 10-10-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128055)
That's the ticket. In the beginning you can clearly see that it came from the right. :D

...and crashed and burned into the valley below. I guess it is a metaphor.:D
I thought I saw the Christian right clinging to some of those trees now that Romney has flip flopped on the issue of abortion.:rolleyes:

mezz 10-10-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 128051)
I should remind you, though, that the popular vote doesn't decide the election. Right Now the President is looking pretty good electorally.

Obama (221)
Romney (181)
Undecided (136)

Battleground states (numbers in brackets are electoral votes):

Florida (29) -0.7%
Pennsylvania (20) +4.2%
Ohio (18) +0.8%
North Carolina (15) -3.0%
Virginia (13) +0.3%
Wisconsin (10) +5.0%
Missouri (10) -5.2%
Colorado (9) -0.5%
Iowa (6) +3.2%
Nevada (6) +0.7%

So, if the undecided "battleground states stay as they are, the electoral vote will be:

Obama (221 + 73 = 294)
Romney (181 + 63 = 244)

No question the President had a bad week but not bad enough to change the likely outcome. We'll see what happens tomorrow night and at the Town Hall debate. Maybe some "ordinary citizens" will have more guts than the press and call Romney on his lies.

John

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...llege_map.html

Keep watching the polls over the coming days. If the trend continues (I think it will) Obama's done. Romney has gained ground in every swing state since last week. Undecideds are breaking for him in large numbers - and he'll take some dems who are near the fence too. If Obama hasn't been consistently leading with > 51% in a state then he might as well write that state off now in the opinion of some pollsters.

http://www.businessinsider.com/suffo...ection-2012-10

bobabode 10-10-2012 02:12 PM

Do you still have high hopes for your veep candidate? He sure doesn't, he's campaigning hard to retain his seat in congress.;)

Boreas 10-10-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 128051)
Battleground states (numbers in brackets are electoral votes):

Florida (29) -0.7%
Pennsylvania (20) +4.2%
Ohio (18) +0.8%
North Carolina (15) -3.0%
Virginia (13) +0.3%
Wisconsin (10) +5.0%
Missouri (10) -5.2%
Colorado (9) -0.5%
Iowa (6) +3.2%
Nevada (6) +0.7%

So, if the undecided "battleground states stay as they are, the electoral vote will be:

Obama (221 + 73 = 294)
Romney (181 + 63 = 244)

Oh, and the President would have to lose at minimum 2 of the 6 battleground states currently in his column for it to change the outcome.

John

ebacon 10-10-2012 02:19 PM

McCain/Obama went through similar poll rating gyrations during their debate period.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/fi...mccain-44.aspx

mezz 10-10-2012 02:22 PM

The big thing is that the Obama campaign's got nothing. They were running Big Bird ads this week. Romney has managed, just by having himself heard, to punch through the Obama campaign's portrail of him as unfit. That's over and continuing to campaign in that vein is going to hurt Obama now, not help him. What is he supposed to do now, defend his record???

His one shot is to be convincing and powerful in the coming debates and prove that his plans for going forward are better than Romney's. A tall order to fill when his plans for the future aren't much different from his failed plans (if you can even call that performance 'a plan'). I predict he'll try to come out on the attack and look even less presidential than he's managed to already.

Once people become ok with Romney, Obama's got nothing to sway them back with... and a lot of people have decided that they really are ok with Romney since last Tuesday.

bobabode 10-10-2012 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128064)
McCain/Obama went through similar poll rating gyrations during their debate period.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/fi...mccain-44.aspx

Maybe they learned. McCain might have won had they muzzled the Sarahcuda. Not much coming from Paul Ryan's bunker these days, hmmmm.
Tomorrow night will be fun, expectations are so high on the right for his performance I have to wonder, are the jitters setting in, yet?:D

bobabode 10-10-2012 02:31 PM

It's still almost four weeks away and R$R have peaked too early Mezz. Fugetaboutit, dood:D. Do you like his latest non pro-life stance?

ebacon 10-10-2012 02:35 PM

That's a fine analysis mezz, but it assumes that the remaining undecided voters understand the issues. They don't.

The people that feel strongly about issues are already locked in. The remainder will be persuaded by ads and Big Bird is as good a cobranding association for the Democrats as any. I would even make a gentlemans bet that undecided voters this late in the game are also least likely to vote. If true then that would make them statisticly less significant than decided voters.

That's just my opinion.

ebacon 10-10-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 128067)
It's still almost four weeks away and R$R have peaked too early Mezz. Fugetaboutit, dood:D. Do you like his latest non pro-life stance?

RU saying that R$R blew their wad...of debate zingers? :D

ebacon 10-10-2012 06:00 PM

Here's an interesting bit from Gallup during the Obama/McCain campaigns. Gallup had a "likely voter model" that took into account data suggesting that Republicans were more likely to vote.

I wonder how old that model is and if it has been updated. More specifically, I wonder if it takes into account traditional Republicans that the party has left behind. We might be small in numbers but when the split is down to 1% small numbers matter.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111124/Ga...aditional.aspx

BlueStreak 10-10-2012 06:11 PM

If Obama doesn't come on strong in the next debate, he will lose it. There was so much bullshit flowing from Romneys mouth in the last one, Obama has the ammunition.

Question is; Will he use it?

Regards,
Dave

BlueStreak 10-10-2012 06:13 PM

Can Biden make Ryan look like the worthless, Ranian objectivist piece of absolute trash he is?

He could. But, again, the question is.....................

Regards,
Dave

Rex E. 10-10-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 128066)
Maybe they learned. McCain might have won had they muzzled the Sarahcuda. Not much coming from Paul Ryan's bunker these days, hmmmm.
Tomorrow night will be fun, expectations are so high on the right for his performance I have to wonder, are the jitters setting in, yet?:D

Oh...he's talking bobby....;)


http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rache...2349/#49352349

ebacon 10-10-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 128091)
If Obama doesn't come on strong in the next debate, he will lose it. There was so much bullshit flowing from Romneys mouth in the last one, Obama has the ammunition.

Question is; Will he use it?

Regards,
Dave

That's an interesting question.

Obama managed to accomplish a lot of his goals. The military is out of Iraq. We have a rough framework for a national health care system. The economy is on the mend.

On the other hand the stress on his marriage must be terrible. My understanding is that Michelle isn't a big fan of political life.

It would be perfectly reasonable for Barack to stick to the issues during the debate and avoid the game of zingers. Then, if the voters stay with him because of issues, he can show Michelle that the public is serious. She would back him for another four years.

On the other hand if Barack dumbs down to the zinger game just to win then she might bitch slap him. :eek:

I can't imagine putting my family through a presidency. Luckily I don't have to worry about.

bobabode 10-10-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128083)
RU saying that R$R blew their wad...of debate zingers? :D

His smirking attack on PBS? I like those zingers..:)

Poor Big Bird and Emo as hobos trudging off down the railroad tracks looking for a hobo jungle to live in. Hoovervilles all over again is where we are headed if R$R get elected.

ebacon 10-10-2012 06:26 PM

Rand is gaining popularity. Attacking Ryan by mentioning Rand would only empower the Republicans.

IMO Biden would be better served by sticking to common sense and not using an R word.

BlueStreak 10-10-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128094)
That's an interesting question.

Obama managed to accomplish a lot of his goals. The military is out of Iraq. We have a rough framework for a national health care system. The economy is on the mend.

On the other hand the stress on his marriage must be terrible. My understanding is that Michelle isn't a big fan of political life.

It would be perfectly reasonable for Barack to stick to the issues during the debate and avoid the game of zingers. Then, if the voters stay with him because of issues, he can show Michelle that the public is serious. She would back him for another four years.

On the other hand if Barack dumbs down to the zinger game just to win then she might bitch slap him. :eek:

I can't imagine putting my family through a presidency. Luckily I don't have to worry about.

I'm not talking about childish "zingers", I'm talking about shoving Romneys own crap back in his face in front of the entire country. Sternly. Like a PRESIDENT would. "Here, look at all of the times you've waffled, just in the last few months, Mitt. For cryin' out loud, there must be a bakers dozen of them. You're for this, then you're against it, then you're for it again, but not really.....What is it with you?" LIKE THAT.

Staring at the floor and fumbling with papers makes him look like a nervous eight year old at the bee, who's worried someone is going to find a word he can't spell.

And, Jesus Christ, if he can't stand up to his wife, then.......................

Forget it.

Regards,
Dave

ebacon 10-10-2012 06:43 PM

Understood and all good points. But at the end of the day an honest man needs to be able to sleep with himself.

I agree that Obama would do well to kill zingers and lies. And I pray that he does while avoiding spreading any even if his campaign advisors think they are in his best interest to win.

BlueStreak 10-10-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128097)
Rand is gaining popularity. Attacking Ryan by mentioning Rand would only empower the Republicans.

IMO Biden would be better served by sticking to common sense and not using an R word.

Gaining popularity with people who have no real idea what she represents.

Why don't they? Because they only get the story from one side. They think it's just some "pro-business thingy", that can only be good. Right? They don't understand that it represents the handing over of our democracy to people who HATE democracy.

At least I HOPE they don't understand. Because if they do and they are buying into it, thinking it's the way to go......the future would be very bleak indeed.

Dave

bobabode 10-10-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 128093)

Yeh, Paul Ryan wants to teach discipline to those poor innercity folk and the message that you are on your own couldn't have been clearer:(. Ryan can kiss my ass...

ebacon 10-10-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 128101)
Gaining popularity with people who have no real idea what she stands for.

Why don't they? Because they only get the story from one side. They think it's just some "pro-business thingy", that can only be good. Right? They don't understand that it represents the handing over of our democracy to people who HATE democracy.

At least I HOPE they don't understand. Because if they do and they are buying into it, thinking it's the way to go......the future would be very bleak indeed.

Dave

The people that are behind the Ayn Rand movement understand it completely. They are the Ayn Rand Institute and GoldmanSachs. GoldmanSachs has been advising governments since the late 1800s. Since bankers are jealous of GoldmanSachs success they too are climbing on the Ayn Rand bandwagon in hopes that success rubs off on them. BB&T is the first to join the whorehouse and work directly with the Ayn Rand Institute.

Brainwashing is patient game that the blue bloods play.

As self-governing people we are still the new kids on the modern corner of the earthball. The only way to beat the blue bloods is to show that we get along and manage our affairs. The sooner we do that the better off we will be.

BlueStreak 10-10-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128104)
The people that are behind the Ayn Rand movement understand it completely. They are the Ayn Rand Institute and GoldmanSachs. GoldmanSachs has been advising governments since the late 1800s. Since bankers are jealous of GoldmanSachs success they too are climbing on the Ayn Rand bandwagon in hopes that success rubs off on them. BB&T is the first to join the whorehouse and work directly with the Ayn Rand Institute.

Brainwashing is patient game that the blue bloods play.

As self-governing people we are still the new kids on the modern corner of the earthball. The only way to beat the blue bloods is to show that we get along and manage our affairs. The sooner we do that the better off we will be.

True. But, I was basically referring to support for the ideology among us proles. Not so much the blue bloods. I know what their motivation is.

Dave

ebacon 10-10-2012 07:38 PM

IMO proles get sucked in because they want to be on the winning side. It's an understandable survival instinct and Ayn Rand Institute advertises to it.

There might be a black widow psychology experiment somewhere that explains their suicide march behavior. I dunno.

CarlV 10-10-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mezz (Post 128044)
As Wednesday rolled in this morning it became apparent that Obama has had his worst week of the campaign... thus far.

Emerging from three years of being coddled by the media, insulated from meaningful debate by his administration and being held largely above the fray by the office of the presidency Obama appears to have fallen victim to having become a believer of his own nasty campaign propaganda as well as convinced that the American people had swallowed his lies hook line and sinker while they also failed to see through his facade.

His arrogance caused him to be unprepared for the first debate last Tuesday, it caused him to be unable to come to grips with the idea that he lost soundly on both substance and presentation and it has caused him to continue to believe that his campaign of distraction and character assassination is going to prevent a landslide in November in this climate of economic national despair brought on by his failure to lead.

The voting public was able to see the real Mitt Romney, many for the very first time, last Tuesday as he was able to present himself without the bias of the media and free of the lies and deceptions the Obama campaign has used to try to define him. Obama looked weak trying to rebut some of Romney's attacks by pulling out tired old campaign talking points when Romney was right there to refute them and explain exactly how they are overwhelmingly baseless, and not even very intelligent, lies.

Obama's integrity suffered even further this week, when in the face of a very obvious and growing voter backlash, the magnitude of which has as of yet been unprecedented in this election, continues, along with many of his supporters, to act with immaturity and arrogance by refusing to acknowledge his poor debate performance by first trying to attack Romney's character and truthfulness. Then came the blaming of the mediator, his debate prep partner, even the altitude. Lastly he spent the week running new ads on Big Bird rather than even trying to address anything Romney scored points on last week... and there were a lot of points scored.

So now we near the later part of this week with Benghazi Gate exposing a pathetic and incompetent foreign policy and another reprehensible cover-up of this admin's continued failures and the looming VP debate which offers the prospect for another potentially embarrassing defeat for the Obama campaign.

Team Obama which hadn't yet faced an election challenge prior to 2012 and has very little if anything to show for 4 years in office is now deservedly on it's way out. The wheels are now in motion and the train is picking up speed. Time to sit back and watch a landslide.




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BlueStreak 10-10-2012 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 128119)

+1. Especially that comment about "...the real Mitt Romney.":confused:

Regards,
Dave

mezz 10-11-2012 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 128122)
+1. Especially that comment about "...the real Mitt Romney.":confused:

Regards,
Dave

The general public is unaware of the waffling the dems have tried to paint as a Romney trait. The media hasn't given Romney the microphone. The only people listening before the debates last week were members of the Obama campaign as they were looking for things to attack. With the help of the media they kept Romney down and muddled their own portrayal of him. They have kept the public confused about him. So now people don't know what the hell Obama is talking about when he tries to bring up some of the stuff he is accusing Romney of flipping on. And unless one is an Obama lover already, Obama's credibility with the truth isn't strong. So Romney is able to come out now and paint his own picture for them any way he wants to. His base doesn't particularly care - all they know is he's not Obama - and they want change. They can iron out the details later.

What is known and becoming known is that Romney is much less of a sleazeball than Obama is. He even bases some of his actions on principles and has the potential to actually lead. People are starting to see this and everyone already knows that Obama has no leadership capabilities or descernible guiding principles.

piece-itpete 10-11-2012 07:47 AM

Waffling? Flip flopping? Are we talking about Romney, or Obama?

And I'm sure Biden will win, after all, he's 'way smarter than you' ;)

Pete

merrylander 10-13-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 128097)
Rand is gaining popularity. Attacking Ryan by mentioning Rand would only empower the Republicans.

Proving that the national IQ is heading for negative territory?

merrylander 10-13-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 128061)
Do you still have high hopes for your veep candidate? He sure doesn't, he's campaigning hard to retain his seat in congress.;)

And I and other progressives have been funding his opponent, get that barking idiot out of Congress, even deport the mofo.


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