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mezz 10-03-2012 09:20 AM

Hannity brings Reverend Wright back into focus...
 
... or better yet, Obama's shameful duplicity on the reverend.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...-Race-Speeches

barbara 10-03-2012 09:23 AM

Hannity?
There isn't a person in their right mind that takes anything he says seriously.

mezz 10-03-2012 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 126693)
Hannity?
There isn't a person in their right mind that takes anything he says seriously.


There seemingly isn't a person in their left mind that takes anything Obama says seriously either. "Spare us the irrelevant details of what he says or does, he's whatever we want him to be irregardless of all those distractions".

CarlV 10-03-2012 09:35 AM

Sucks when your side is losing doesn't it? It is nice you have Hannity to blame for your outlook too. :)


Carl

icenine 10-03-2012 09:50 AM

That is so 2008......

barbara 10-03-2012 10:55 AM

Very cute, Mezz..... You can't defend your buddy Hannity so you rag on Obama.

Distraction at it's finest, lol.

ebacon 10-03-2012 10:58 AM

Santorum played the Reverend Wright card during the primaries. Didn't work then, either.

Come ot think of it, it didn't work in 2008 either. It's never worked.

Reverend Wright is a pissed off U.S. Marine. He has a lot more in common with voters than the Republican party understands.

bobabode 10-03-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mezz (Post 126691)
... or better yet, Obama's shameful duplicity on the reverend.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...-Race-Speeches

Now I see where you get all of your far out ideas mssr. messie. Breitbart= Goebbels. Doncha know?:rolleyes:

JBS... 10-03-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 126706)
That is so 2008......


Nope, we didnt see any of the racist and fear mongering portions... that was cut out.

whell 10-03-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 126721)
Now I see where you get all of your far out ideas mssr. messie. Breitbart= Goebbels. Doncha know?:rolleyes:

Actually it is a video. It shows then presidential candidate Obama clearly stating that victims of the 9/11 attacks and Hurricane Andrew were treated better by the Federal Government than Hurricane Katrina victims because Hurricane Katrina victims were largely minorities. What's more interesting is that he completely mis-states the facts to make this point...not that facts matter much to lefties anyway. :p

I suppose that its "racist" to talk about this, though. :rolleyes:

Wasillaguy 10-03-2012 12:53 PM

Sounded to me like he was preaching to the 30% who believe they are victims- "Where's yo dolla? Where's your Stafford Act money?"

bobabode 10-03-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 126728)
Actually it is a video. It shows then presidential candidate Obama clearly stating that victims of the 9/11 attacks and Hurricane Andrew were treated better by the Federal Government than Hurricane Katrina victims because Hurricane Katrina victims were largely minorities. What's more interesting is that he completely mis-states the facts to make this point...not that facts matter much to lefties anyway. :p

I suppose that its "racist" to talk about this, though. :rolleyes:

What are you talking about? Breitbart is probably the most crazy wacked out conspiracy turds in the neocon universe was my point. I won't even open a link from those pieces of shit. Spare me your neocon trollish crap whell, it won't wash. Keep on polishin' those turds whellie, I'm sure you and mssr.messie will get them to shine....someday.:rolleyes:

Boreas 10-03-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 126730)
Sounded to me like he was preaching to the 30% who believe they are victims- "Where's yo dolla? Where's your Stafford Act money?"

There's an awfully good case to be made that the Bush Administration failed to comply with the Stafford Act after Katrina.

John

finnbow 10-03-2012 01:21 PM

It seems to me with a lousy and losing candidate, the GOP's henchmen have been tasked to parade this nugget around again. The trouble is that there's nothing new here and people have already decided to what degree, if any, that this sort of stuff is relevant. After a President has served for almost 4 years, I'd say not at all.

Wasillaguy 10-03-2012 01:32 PM

it was interesting to note that all traces of his ebonic accent disappeared immediately when he hit the national stage. Reminds me of the little gay kid they have on the news station up here. When he first started, he was over the top flamboyant. Then someone obviously had a talk with him about his future on the air, and ever since his voice and mannerisms have shown not a trace of his former flaming ways.
I'm sure Obama reverts right back to speaking jive whenever Barbara Billingsley or others of her ilk are the only ones within earshot.

finnbow 10-03-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 126753)
it was interesting to note that all traces of his ebonic accent disappeared immediately when he hit the national stage. Reminds me of the little gay kid they have on the news station up here. When he first started, he was over the top flamboyant. Then someone obviously had a talk with him about his future on the air, and ever since his voice and mannerisms have shown not a trace of his former flaming ways.
I'm sure Obama reverts right back to speaking jive whenever Barbara Billingsley or others of her ilk are the only ones within earshot.

It's no different than GOP politicians acting like the bubba-wing of the party with their spanking new Cabela's hunting outfits and shotguns (and dead pheasant props) on the campaign trail.

Boreas 10-03-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 126753)
it was interesting to note that all traces of his ebonic accent disappeared immediately when he hit the national stage. Reminds me of the little gay kid they have on the news station up here. When he first started, he was over the top flamboyant. Then someone obviously had a talk with him about his future on the air, and ever since his voice and mannerisms have shown not a trace of his former flaming ways.
I'm sure Obama reverts right back to speaking jive whenever Barbara Billingsley or others of her ilk are the only ones within earshot.

"Ebonic?"

"Little gay kid"??

"Jive"???

"Flaming ways"????

Fffffffffffffffffuuuudge.................

You're pushing all the hot buttons, aren't you?

There's nothing odd, sinister, racist or whatever the hell you're trying to make this into about it. People of races or ethnic backgrounds different from the dominant one always try to develop the ability to transition between the social veneer of their own culture and the dominant one. It's a useful survival skill and a way of getting yourself "heard" by the greatest number of people.

John

Wasillaguy 10-03-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 126758)
It's no different than GOP politicians acting like the bubba-wing of the party with their spanking new Cabela's hunting outfits and shotguns (and dead pheasant props) on the campaign trail.

Well, in that case you've got politicians trying to act like the rednecks to get a vote. With Obama it's not an act, he is one of them victim folk, been kept down by "the man". He's acting when he lets go of the street talk and pretends to be a statesman.

finnbow 10-03-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 126774)
Well, in that case you've got politicians trying to act like the rednecks to get a vote. With Obama it's not an act, he is one of them victim folk, been kept down by "the man". He's acting when he lets go of the street talk and pretends to be a statesman.

Nope. He's relating to his base, something Romney seems incapable of doing (other than to the callous rich).

d-ray657 10-03-2012 02:32 PM

Dang, bad poll numbers are bringing out the right's worst behavior. No matter what Obama does, he'll always be one of "them." Next thing you know, someone will be whistling "Dixie."

Regards,

D-Ray

bobabode 10-03-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 126787)
Dang, bad poll numbers are bringing out the right's worst behavior. No matter what Obama does, he'll always be one of "them." Next thing you know, someone will be whistling "Dixie."

Regards,

D-Ray

or Deliverance.:(

Wasillaguy 10-03-2012 03:32 PM

When you come up with a video of Romney talking with a twang in his voice and a corn cob pipe, you let me know. Did Romney spend 20 years listening to a back woods banjo pickin' preacher rant about how persecuted Cooter and Jethro and the boys are?

bhunter 10-03-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 126787)
Dang, bad poll numbers are bringing out the right's worst behavior. No matter what Obama does, he'll always be one of "them." Next thing you know, someone will be whistling "Dixie."

Regards,

D-Ray

Heaven forbid! You know Obama is articulate, bright, and clean. :D Obama's black half has helped him more than hindered him. He, and his democratic friends, have not demonstrated an aversion to using race to their advantage when it is useful. Further, the post-racial Obama seems to relish stereotyping those that disagree with his big government policies as unenlghtened gun clinging bumpkins. No, the important point is not Obama's skin color, but the content of his character. A character that seeks to associate with most of the elite accoutrements that he consciously castigates for political gain.

bobabode 10-03-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 126810)
Heaven forbid! You know Obama is articulate, bright, and clean. :D Obama's black half has helped him more than hindered him. He, and his democratic friends, have not demonstrated an aversion to using race to their advantage when it is useful. Further, the post-racial Obama seems to relish stereotyping those that disagree with his big government policies as unenlghtened gun clinging bumpkins. No, the important point is not Obama's skin color, but the content of his character. A character that seeks to associate with most of the elite accoutrements that he consciously castigates for political gain.

They aren't?:rolleyes::D

Boreas 10-03-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 126810)
Obama's black half has helped him more than hindered him. He, and his democratic friends, have not demonstrated an aversion to using race to their advantage when it is useful.

Well, hell yeah! How do you think we got him the presidency?

You fuckin' guys are all loosin' it.

John

finnbow 10-03-2012 03:48 PM

Given the GOP's racist proclivities and tactics (e.g., the Southern Strategy, Willie Horton ...), Obama and the Dems would be guilty of political malpractice if they didn't highlight it.

Boreas 10-03-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 126814)
Given the GOP's racist proclivities and tactics (e.g., the Southern Strategy, Willie Horton ...), Obama and the Dems would be guilty of political malpractice if they didn't highlight it.

And let's not forget Reagan's 1980 "states' rights" speech in Philadelphia MS where he launched his campaign.

John

bobabode 10-03-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 126807)
When you come up with a video of Romney talking with a twang in his voice and a corn cob pipe, you let me know. Did Romney spend 20 years listening to a back woods banjo pickin' preacher rant about how persecuted Cooter and Jethro and the boys are?

Your pre eminent frat boys have been laughing up his sleeves at working stiffs for their whole priviledged lives, Was. What's really astounding is the average working shmoe Republican is swallowing this huge line of bullshit hook, line and sinker. Unless you are making $250k or more a year you should be making plans for a huge hit in your taxes next year, if R$R wins.
The loopholes that will fund his campaign promises will be the mortgage deduction and others that only help the middle class. It's the only way for the arithmetic to work Was. Carried interest and such are not on the table, no-how, no-way. That begs the question then Was, are you crazy enough to shoot a hole in your own boat for the priviledge of paying lip service to something that R$R will never do? The deficit will shoot right through the stratosphere with their plan and there will be no safety net left for ours and every other working stiffs family. That's these frat boys way of doing business. That isn't what I want our country to turn into-one big company town and a bunk with a job with Unicorp if you don't knuckle under play ball on their terms.

Maybe this all doesn't matter to you, I don't know? For all I know you are one of the lucky ones who has found a way to make a million bucks a year? If so, good for you, dude! Good job and an attaboy for ya! Just keep in mind that the infrastructure and educated workforce at your disposal that allows you your success isn't something that you built all by yourself. Many a taxpayer and grunt working stiff are the ones who built those things such as roads ,bridges, water supplies, waste treatment systems, railroads and on and on and on...check out the history of the AlCan Hwy before you drive on it next time. Eh?

Boreas 10-03-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 126817)
Many a taxpayer and grunt working stiff are the ones who built those things such as roads ,bridges, water supplies, waste treatment systems, railroads and on and on and on...check out the history of the AlCan Hwy before you drive on it next time. Eh?

Maybe he drives the AlCan to go to the bank....

.... to cash the check he gets each year for "his" oil.

Soci@list!

John

bobabode 10-03-2012 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 126820)
Maybe he drives the AlCan to go to the bank....

.... to cash the check he gets each year for "his" oil.

Soci@list!

John

I wonder if he knows about the darkies who built most of it?:D:rolleyes:

bhunter 10-03-2012 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 126814)
Given the GOP's racist proclivities and tactics (e.g., the Southern Strategy, Willie Horton ...), Obama and the Dems would be guilty of political malpractice if they didn't highlight it.

The Southern Strategy racial connection no longer seems relevant. Perhaps, there are other reasons for the South turning towards the GOP just as there might be something other than perceived racism that turned the black voter away from the GOP. An obvious reason would be the rise of Christian Fundamentalism during the seventies coupled with the democratic appetite for secularization of public, or at least open political, life. Whether or not this was good doesn't negate that there was an interaction between the two. On the other front, a succession of democratic congresses continued to create more and more programs to help the poor. Sadly, a high percentage of blacks were in the group benefitting from these programs. The dynamic here in California with our large hispanic population may shed some light on the matter in the near future. My point is that there is more going on than some nefarious racist plot perpetrated by republicans 30-40 years ago.

finnbow 10-03-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 126827)
My point is that there is more going on than some nefarious racist plot perpetrated by republicans 30-40 years ago.

Perhaps, but the ill feelings about such tactics doesn't just evaporate. The GOP is reaping what they sow with blacks, Hispanics, gays and women.

Wasillaguy 10-03-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 126820)
Maybe he drives the AlCan to go to the bank....

.... to cash the check he gets each year for "his" oil.

Soci@list!

John

The soshulists are in the states that turn over all their natural resources royalties to the government, for the "common good".
Would have happened here too, except we somehow accidentally got a decent governor one time, named Jay Hammond. Jay understood that government has an insatiable appetite for money and would piss away every dime in short order if allowed. He took a literal translation of our state constitution where it says the natural resources are the property of the citizens, and pushed the legislation that resulted in a tiny fraction of one percent of the state royalties being put into a fund for the citizens to decide how best to make use of.
Dividing up the spoils equally is not soshulism. The government sucking it all up, then handing it out "according to need", as they see fit, is soshulism.

bhunter 10-03-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 126817)
Maybe this all doesn't matter to you, I don't know? For all I know you are one of the lucky ones who has found a way to make a million bucks a year? If so, good for you, dude! Good job and an attaboy for ya! Just keep in mind that the infrastructure and educated workforce at your disposal that allows you your success isn't something that you built all by yourself. Many a taxpayer and grunt working stiff are the ones who built those things such as roads ,bridges, water supplies, waste treatment systems, railroads and on and on and on...check out the history of the AlCan Hwy before you drive on it next time. Eh?

Were the "working stiffs" not compensated for their work at going market rates? Of course, the problem is when a better educated workforce and infrastructure is just a short hop across the ocean. Remember, in a global economy there are choices. Now, if you propose a closed economy, the outcome will be a net negative with respect to an open economy; that is, free trade is by definition beneficial.

bobabode 10-03-2012 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 126827)
An obvious reason would be the rise of Christian Fundamentalism during the seventies coupled with the democratic appetite for secularization of public, or at least open political, life. Whether or not this was good doesn't negate that there was an interaction between the two.

Sure was a whole lot of God Bless America goin' on at the DNC. Mebbe you're right, we godless Democrats are just pandering to the few Christians left who aren't wingnut Talibangelists. Don't you get sick of the mischaracterizing the Democrats obvious distaste of overt religious influence in government as some sort of attack on Christmas? I sure am. Yes the atheists are aligned with the Democratic party. Does any minority constituent guide your party?
Ooops, better scratch that... I just remembered that the extremists actually have taken over the Republican party. My condolences, dude.:rolleyes: Maybe the circular firing squad will take care of that after Romney loses. In the midterms two years from now the Repubs will have another chance to clean house of this Tea pox that is plagueing them. If they wake the F**K UP!:cool:

bobabode 10-03-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 126831)
The soshulists are in the states that turn over all their natural resources royalties to the government, for the "common good".
Would have happened here too, except we somehow accidentally got a decent governor one time, named Jay Hammond. Jay understood that government has an insatiable appetite for money and would piss away every dime in short order if allowed. He took a literal translation of our state constitution where it says the natural resources are the property of the citizens, and pushed the legislation that resulted in a tiny fraction of one percent of the state royalties being put into a fund for the citizens to decide how best to make use of.
Dividing up the spoils equally is not soshulism. The government sucking it all up, then handing it out "according to need", as they see fit, is soshulism.

You aren't drinkin' enuf!:D

bobabode 10-03-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 126832)
Were the "working stiffs" not compensated for their work at going market rates? Of course, the problem is when a better educated workforce and infrastructure is just a short hop across the ocean. Remember, in a global economy there are choices. Now, if you propose a closed economy, the outcome will be a net negative with respect to an open economy; that is, free trade is by definition beneficial.

Is that what they call a pivot? Sure looks like one to me...

JBS... 10-03-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 126780)
Nope. He's relating to his base, something Romney seems incapable of doing (other than to the callous rich).


Really....

Why would an educated person want to speak to a crowd in ebonics and spew hate just to prove he cares about them and feels a connection to them?

You can have compassion without trying to pretend to be like them. To speak with hate promotes hate...

You on the left that cling to your Spelling Bee Trophies or Degree should be outraged...

Boreas 10-03-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JBS... (Post 126837)
Really....

Why would an educated person want to speak to a crowd in ebonics

First of all, he didn't speak in "ebonics". Second, he's from that culture. He spoke to the audience in a way that's natural b oth to him and to them. You teabaggers ought to be more upset when he "fakes being white". Frankly, I think you actually are but you view the obverse as somehow more acceptable to the mainstream. It isn't.

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and spew hate
What hate? What did he say that expressed hatred? Of anyone?

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just to prove he cares about them and feels a connection to them?
He does care about them. Frankly, so should you.

So, he "expressed hatred" to establish a "connection to them"? He was talking to a conference of black clergymen. Doesn't get much more hateful than that, does it?

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You can have compassion without trying to pretend to be like them.
In what way is he not like them? They're Americans. Is the President not American? (Yes, I know. Kenyan soci@list Muslim.) They're Christians. Is the President not a Christian? They're black. Is the President not black?

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To speak with hate promotes hate...
Again, where was the "hate"? Your obvious preoccupation with hate in a speech devoid of it strongly suggests that the only hatred is coming from you. Whom do you hate? The President? Ministers? Black people? All of the above?

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You on the left that cling to your Spelling Bee Trophies or Degree should be outraged...
You on the right don't value academic accomplishment? Santorum certainly thinks you don't - and you shouldn't, calling anyone who does a "snob" and, by characterizing the left as "the smart ones" clearly believes that you are not. Apparently, ignorance and stupidity are virtues in your world. (I've long suspected as much so it was gratifying to have Santorum confirm it for me.)

John

barbara 10-03-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 126845)
First of all, he didn't speak in "ebonics". Second, he's from that culture. He spoke to the audience in a way that's natural b oth to him and to them. You teabaggers ought to be more upset when he "fakes being white". Frankly, I think you actually are but you view the obverse as somehow more acceptable to the mainstream. It isn't.



What hate? What did he say that expressed hatred? Of anyone?



He does care about them. Frankly, so should you.

So, he "expressed hatred" to establish a "connection to them"? He was talking to a conference of black clergymen. Doesn't get much more hateful than that, does it?



In what way is he not like them? They're Americans. Is the President not American? (Yes, I know. Kenyan soci@list Muslim.) They're Christians. Is the President not a Christian? They're black. Is the President not black?



Again, where was the "hate"? Your obvious preoccupation with hate in a speech devoid of it strongly suggests that the only hatred is coming from you. Whom do you hate? The President? Ministers? Black people? All of the above?



You on the right don't value academic accomplishment? Santorum certainly thinks you don't - and you shouldn't, calling anyone who does a "snob" and, by characterizing the left as "the smart ones" clearly believes that you are not. Apparently, ignorance and stupidity are virtues in your world. (I've long suspected as much so it was gratifying to have Santorum confirm it for me.)

John

......+2
you articulated everything I wanted to say but I didn't have the patience to type it all out on my phone.


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