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finnbow 08-19-2012 03:26 PM

Is There Such Thing as Legitimate Rape?
 
Accordingly to Todd Akin, the GOP Senate candidate from Missouri, there is.

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in a clip posted to YouTube by the Democratic super PAC American Bridge. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ses-pregnancy/

And the GOP objects to its views being characterized as a "War on Women?":confused:

Rex E. 08-19-2012 03:39 PM

Sure, it's obvious that they wanted to be raped. Had it been a legitimate rape then the body would have stopped that pregnancy. She was probably wearing a skirt, heels and way to close to a pinball machine also. ;)

Boreas 08-19-2012 04:01 PM

Just for the hell of it I'll stipulate that Akins are rare among conservatives but the inarguable fact is you never hear such pernicious nonsense coming from liberals.

And Akin isn't merely the Republican candidate for US Senator from Missouri. He's a currently serving 5-term US Congressman. Before that he served in the Missouri House of Representatives for 8 years. Clearly a lot of folks in Missouri like the way Akin thinks. What does that say about them, do you suppose?

John

Rex E. 08-19-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 117835)
Just for the hell of it I'll stipulate that Akins are rare among conservatives but the inarguable fact is you never hear such pernicious nonsense coming from liberals.

And Akin isn't merely the Republican candidate for US Senator from Missouri. He's a currently serving 5-term US Congressman. Before that he served in the Missouri House of Representatives for 8 years. Clearly a lot of folks in Missouri like the way Akin thinks. What does that say about them, do you suppose?

John

Coming from MO I'd say far less know what he thinks and far more vote for him just cause there is an R next to his name.

Boreas 08-19-2012 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 117836)
Coming from MO I'd say far less know what he thinks and far more vote for him just cause there is an R next to his name.

Well, they have no excuse for not knowing now! Let's see whether this creep gets elected.

John

Rex E. 08-19-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 117838)
Well, they have no excuse for not knowing now! Let's see whether this creep gets elected.

John

I think he may. I posted this on FB for my Missouri friends and the first post was a lady I graduated high school with saying

"Actually, that is true. I worked as a counselor at a rape crisis center. Rape is such a violent act, that it rarely results in pregnancy because of the stress of the situation and the fact that the rape never progresses to the point of the man being able to finish. Less than half of 1% of rapes result in pregnancy."

followed up with

"Didn't mean to say "never progresses." Should have said "rarely progresses.""

finnbow 08-19-2012 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 117839)
I think he may. I posted this on FB for my Missouri friends and the first post was a lady I graduated high school with saying

"Actually, that is true. I worked as a counselor at a rape crisis center. Rape is such a violent act, that it rarely results in pregnancy because of the stress of the situation and the fact that the rape never progresses to the point of the man being able to finish. Less than half of 1% of rapes result in pregnancy."

followed up with

"Didn't mean to say "never progresses." Should have said "rarely progresses.""

And for those few who do get pregnant, I suppose Akin, the conservative, feels that government should be able to force her to carry her pregnancy to full term. I wonder if he had a brilliant and promising college freshman daughter and she were impregnated by a black crackhead rapist with AIDS if he'd feel the same.:eek: I bet he'd exhaust all options finding a back-alley abortionist (or fly his daughter somewhere for an abortion). Even if he didn't, he'd like to negate that choice for others. Small government, indeed.

finnbow 08-19-2012 08:33 PM

It now seems as though the party has compelled him to a half-hearted and insincere apology. Poor dear.

“In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,” he said. “I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action.”

Douchebag.

Twodogs 08-19-2012 10:08 PM

Missourians are challenged, let me tell ya, I deal with them everyday. Lots of white trash and hilljacks in that state. Hell, they voted in Claire so how smart can they be?:p

Present company excluded of course.

Rex E. 08-19-2012 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 117865)
Missourians are challenged, let me tell ya, I deal with them everyday. Lots of white trash and hilljacks in that state. Hell, they voted in Claire so how smart can they be?:p

Present company excluded of course.

As auditor Claire was one of the best the state had had in a long time.

No Illinois transplant to Kansas should ever have any comments on the fine state of Missour-ah. We can maybe let a bit of the Illinois stink wash off you do to you not having a choice where you were raised but you chose Kansas and for that there is no quarter to give

:)

Boreas 08-19-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 117865)
Missourians are challenged, let me tell ya, I deal with them everyday. Lots of white trash and hilljacks in that state. Hell, they voted in Claire so how smart can they be?:p

Present company excluded of course.

For the most part I agree with you, Jay, but I have to say that McCaskill and "Old S Fer Nuthin'" prove that Missourians can on occasion screw up and produce a good and worthy representative.

John

Rex E. 08-19-2012 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 117872)
For the most part I agree with you, Jay, but I have to say that McCaskill and "Old S Fer Nuthin'" prove that Missourians can on occasion screw up and produce a good and worthy representative.

John


You're much like Jay, just on a macro scale. From east coast to west coast. Vermin I tell ya talking bout the fine Show Me State in such manners.

:D

Rex E. 08-19-2012 11:00 PM

With more friends from MO coming online in the evening and the follow up news stories it looks like Mr Akin may just be in trouble.

This is some classic stuff. he followed up later with this:

"Several hours after the interview Akin released a statement claiming is that his comments to host Charles Jaco were “off the cuff” and “do not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,” said Akin."

UM...off the cuff means it unscripted and your true honest feelings, correct? This patardier may be hoisted.....:D

Oerets 08-19-2012 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 117874)
"Several hours after the interview Akin released a statement claiming is that his comments to host Charles Jaco were “off the cuff” and “do not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,” said Akin."

UM...off the cuff means it unscripted and your true honest feelings, correct? This patardier may be hoisted.....:D

Keep digging that hole deeper!


What a arrogant Ahole! Hope this torpedo's his campaign. I question if his women staffers have trouble justifying working in the campaign after this.







Barney

merrylander 08-20-2012 07:31 AM

The part about these holier than me right to lifers is that they want the child born but then goodbye. They have absolutely no interest in what happens to it after that. So what about the "other" innocent victim, the woman? Is carrying a foetus for nine months and possibb;y undergoing many hours of labor just a walk in the park. There are days when I am ashamed to be a man when members of my gender display such arrogant disregard for women. I guess all this BS started when Adam blamed it all on Eve.

beej 08-20-2012 08:20 AM

I saw the clip and I think it pretty much speaks for itself. Guy's a total jerk.

d-ray657 08-20-2012 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 117890)
The part about these holier than me right to lifers is that they want the child born but then goodbye. They have absolutely no interest in what happens to it after that. So what about the "other" innocent victim, the woman? Is carrying a foetus for nine months and possibb;y undergoing many hours of labor just a walk in the park. There are days when I am ashamed to be a man when members of my gender display such arrogant disregard for women. I guess all this BS started when Adam blamed it all on Eve.

Another of those on the right who believe that the right to life begins at conception - and ends at birth.

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow 08-20-2012 12:07 PM

It's been humorous watching the GOP run away from this guy like a scalded cat, notwithstanding the fact that Ryan teamed with Akin (and 225 other GOP co-sponsors) in crafting a House Bill that attempted to codify exactly what this guy said.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintel...66H/story.html

What a bunch of weaselly douchebags.

icenine 08-20-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 117933)
It's been humorous watching the GOP run away from this guy like a scalded cat, notwithstanding the fact that Ryan teamed with Akin (and 225 other GOP co-sponsors) in crafting a House Bill that attempted to codify exactly what this guy said.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintel...66H/story.html

What a bunch of weaselly douchebags.

Etch O' Sketch in progress....

Boreas 08-20-2012 02:29 PM

"I've Not Yet Begun To Fight!"
 
Akin's now swearing that he'll stay in the race, despite being hammered by everyone on both the Left and the Right (except Erick Erickson and Dana Loesch). I couldn't be more pleased!

John

BlueStreak 08-20-2012 02:53 PM

Personally, I think he meant "actual" rape and not rape that has been falsely alleged. "Legitimate" was just a poor choice of words.

However, the assertion that the female body somehow knows the insemination was forced and throws up a stop sign for the sperm is what I find ridiculous. I am certain the countless women who have "actually" been raped and come up pregnant over the millenia would be quick to expound upon that point.

Dave

icenine 08-20-2012 03:52 PM

Well the use of "legitimate" implies non-legitimacy to other rapes i.e. blaming the victim.....

finnbow 08-20-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 117967)
Personally, I think he meant "actual" rape and not rape that has been falsely alleged. "Legitimate" was just a poor choice of words.

However, the assertion that the female body somehow knows the insemination was forced and throws up a stop sign for the sperm is what I find ridiculous. I am certain the countless women who have "actually" been raped and come up pregnant over the millenia would be quick to expound upon that point.

Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 117973)
Well the use of "legitimate" implies non-legitimacy to other rapes i.e. blaming the victim.....

Actually, his use of "legitimate rape" was intended to be "forcible rape," a word coined by the authors of a proposal to change the Hyde Amendment which already prohibits Federal funds for abortion (and supported by over 200 of the House GOP). They wanted to draw a distinction between "forcible rape" (a term that heretofore had no legal meaning) and statutory rape or drug-induced rape. The proposal was ultimately dropped once the GOP understand how f*cking ridiculous they looked.

That said, this clown doesn't even support an exemption for forcible rape, if one takes him at his word.

d-ray657 08-20-2012 04:39 PM

I just hope that he stays in the race. He might get 20% of the women's vote.

Regards,

D-Ray

Boreas 08-20-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 117974)
Actually, his use of "legitimate rape" was intended to be "forcible rape," a word coined by the authors of a proposal to change the Hyde Amendment which already prohibits Federal funds for abortion (and supported by over 200 of the House GOP).

Including Paul Ryan. He was a co-sponsor of the original bill.

John

noonereal 08-20-2012 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 117865)

Present company excluded of course.

:cool:








:p

finnbow 08-21-2012 08:52 AM

And now the Neanderthal knuckleheads want to retain a plank in the party platform to outlaw all abortions without exceptions for rape, mother's health, etc. Isn't this a logical disconnect with their throwing Todd Akin under the bus for saying the same thing? You can't have it both ways, fellas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...010_story.html

And they wonder why they're far behind with woman voters?:confused:

ebacon 08-21-2012 09:12 AM

They've turned into a crazed mob.

The first time I really noticed it was back when I voted Republican and the Terri Schiavo law passed. Seeing those guys lined up for a photo op like they did something good just made me sick. The party of small government turned into the party of giant micromanagement. They completely abandoned their purported principle of governance -- letting states and their citizens deal with situations themselves.

BlueStreak 08-21-2012 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 118069)
They've turned into a crazed mob.

The first time I really noticed it was back when I voted Republican and the Terri Schiavo law passed. Seeing those guys lined up for a photo op like they did something good just made me sick. The party of small government turned into the party of giant micromanagement. They completely abandoned their purported principle of governance -- letting states and their citizens deal with situations themselves.

+1.

IMO, that was the most disgusting display of governmental grandstanding, ever. What? Congress gets to decide the validity of that womans life status, against the conclusions of trained medical professionals and the womans legal guardian?

They used her as a tool. Plain and simple. Just as they do so many others.

Dave

beej 08-21-2012 10:22 AM

And the sheer beauty of it all is that as of yesterday he is still in essentially a dead heat with McCaskill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...6pLid%3D194919

Interesting, don't you think?

noonereal 08-21-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 118067)
neanderthal knuckleheads



;)


.

bobabode 08-21-2012 04:18 PM

This ignerant idjit is diggin' in his hooves and the runner up is balking at taking up the reins. I'm starting to pity the Muleish state, just a tich. It's looking like the hopes and fevered dreams of the tea party are going up in smoke. No Senate for those turkeys, praise the Lord and thanks for the ammunition fellas.:p

bhunter 08-21-2012 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beej (Post 118074)
And the sheer beauty of it all is that as of yesterday he is still in essentially a dead heat with McCaskill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...6pLid%3D194919

Interesting, don't you think?

If he wasn't an ignorant asshole, he'd be up 20 or more points. McCaskill got her wish by spending money in the GOP primary to get the idiot Akin selected. BTW, the deadline passed and he's staying. And another thing, these GOP anti-abortion folks need to rethink the entire issue if they plan on having a viable party in the future.

BlueStreak 08-21-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 118166)
If he wasn't an ignorant asshole, he'd be up 20 or more points. McCaskill got her wish by spending money in the GOP primary to get the idiot Akin selected. BTW, the deadline passed and he's staying. And another thing, these GOP anti-abortion folks need to rethink the entire issue if they plan on having a viable party in the future.

Yep, that and few other things, IMO. Notice as the election approaches the GOP side becomes softer on "entitlements". I've been heaing some interesting comments from the folks in my life lately. They're suddenly beginning to realize life without any social(ist) safety nets aint all the rightwing propaganda machine has it cracked up to be. My generation is getting OLD, and it isn't so easy to bitch that "old farts" need to "go out and get a job" anymore.....that the "they" is becoming "us".

Repeat after me, chilluns;, "We been spittin' in the Wind."

bobabode 08-21-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 118170)

Repeat after me, chilluns;, "We been pissin' into the Wind."

Fixed that Dave. No reason to soften it up for our Repub friends here.
"Whistling past the graveyard," comes to mind, too.
I have a hard time with these shitassed assertions that Medicare and SS are entitlements. Actually, it's the rightys rewriting of the definition of the word entitled that sticks in my craw. Like paying into a system and expecting the benefits when they are due and needed is somehow being an entitled, selfish and lazy slacker.

Twodogs 08-21-2012 07:34 PM

He needs to fall on his .38. I would think by now, that Romney would have sent a couple "gentlemen" to have a serious "discussion" about his staying in the race. I'm sure his arm could have been "twisted" so to speak. This is what vanity gets you. The only thing I can hope for is Biden saying something even more stupid to change the news cycle.

Boreas 08-21-2012 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 118166)
And another thing, these GOP anti-abortion folks need to rethink the entire issue if they plan on having a viable party in the future.

That's true... or it would be true if it wasn't already too late. The GOP will never do anything to alienate the fundies. If they didn't have all those priests and preachers campaigning from the pulpit they'd be in a truly sorry state.

John

Boreas 08-21-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 118186)
I would think by now, that Romney would have sent a couple "gentlemen" to have a serious "discussion" about his staying in the race.

I'd be surprised if that hadn't happened, plus some rather pointed suggestions about campaign funds and a lack of committee appointments in his future from Cornyn. The GOPers, to their credit, want this guy gone last week.

John

finnbow 08-21-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 118186)
He needs to fall on his .38. I would think by now, that Romney would have sent a couple "gentlemen" to have a serious "discussion" about his staying in the race. I'm sure his arm could have been "twisted" so to speak. This is what vanity gets you. The only thing I can hope for is Biden saying something even more stupid to change the news cycle.

What's amusing is that he didn't say anything that didn't reflect the GOP platform or their voting record in Congress. He just demonstrated a fundamental truism - when a Tea Partier tries to speak cogently on any subject, they make complete fools of themselves, just as Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell did in NV and DE.

In defense of his moronic statement on abortion, today he said “We believe taking this stand is going to strengthen our country — going to strengthen, ultimately, the Republican Party. What we’re doing here is standing on a principle of what America is.” These delusional fools will ultimately spell the end of the GOP or the country, whichever comes first.

painter 08-21-2012 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 118186)
The only thing I can hope for is Biden saying something even more stupid to change the news cycle.


Your wish shall be granted. Stay tuned. :)


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