Voter Fraud - A Real Problem
 

A recent study shows that there have been ten cases in the past 12 years, one per 15 million prospective voters. Time for the GOP to step in and save us from this rampant abuse. Dis be some serious chit.;)

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...near_zero.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debbie...b_1139085.html

Where there is smoke there is usually a fire....

But there isn't any smoke except the smoke that Republicans are trying to blow up your ass.

John

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes

Takes one to know one ...

Ice

There's this one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

John

http://www.gatefans.net/gateforums/a...9&d=1340661950

I know you are but what am I?

John

Splane yousself in plain English, Ice.

Yeah, 'splain that avatar change while you're at it....;)

Not gonna do it.

Wouldn't be prudent.

John

Read me lips.....

That entire Pennsylvania faux voter fraud issue is, to say the very least, troubling. And any contention that it is anything but a Republican tactic to suppress Democratic turnout is pluperfect bullshit.

I've always thought it was a solution without a problem. Unless, of course, you see poor people, elderly, and minorities actually voting a problem.

They are nothing but voter suppression laws and the fact they have been so successful is scary.

I think it's a good idea to require IDs for voting, but in five years, not five months. You've got to give time for the systems and people to adapt and comply. This whole thing is just more Tea-publicans bulling their way into power by stepping on the heads of those weaker than them.

I don't know if it is unique to Maryland but here they issue you a voter registration card that is your ID and it also tells you at which poll to vote.

Similar here. You get a voter registration card to take to the polling station but don't HAVE to use it; it just speeds things up a bit.

It's amazing what we take on trust. Voting slips go through a slot into a locked box which along with 100+ others is taken to a counting station. No possible room along the way for errors, for accidents to happen.

Isn't that the Ayn Rand way?

Here too.

John

Here, in my state anyways, you are issued a voter registration card as well. But, as I understand it, they are demanding a photo ID.

Our voting machines are computerized. Lots of opportunity for malfeasance.

Dave

If you really think about it what better way to commit voter fraud than to have elderly people in wheel chairs and those motorized carts that are always trying to run you over in Walmart vote multiple times....no one would ever accuse grandma of voter fraud, which would be perfect vehicle for the Dems to use in order to turn the election....

Maybe we should monitor senior homes and skilled nursing facilities on election day, just in case......

And no paper trail so whatever the machine says is what is counted, even if you get 30,000 votes in a precinct of only 25,000 registered voters.:p

Oh, it was a joke!

John

I think we ought to join the 10 countries who enforce compulsory voting laws. You have to vote, or pay a small fine.

Or at least make voting day a national holiday and maybe have it on a Saturday.

I like these ideas! Although I would recommend Friday or Monday instead of Saturday as the national voting holiday. Three day weekends and if you chose not to vote you get to pick up trash on the side of a busy highway for three days.

Actually if you do not want to vote that should be your right. If you think about it alot of those "Democratic Republics" in Eastern Europe had the same laws..that is why the Party Chairman always won with 99% of the vote.
Of course here in the USA us leftist "social elites" benefit from bubba not voting so as to further our agendas....until the Tea Party:p

Easy peasy - just put 'none of the above' on the ballot.:D

One thing that might help is a law that says all workers must have 4 consecutive hours in which to vote during the hours the polls are open. It is done that way in Canada why can't we do it here?

Herr Oberfuehrer Weyrich would spin in his grave......

Let's do it.

In Ohio they are shortening early voting hours to 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM five days a week, no weekends, in strong Democratic counties. This is the time when most real working people are at work. On the reverse side early voting hours in predominately Republican counties is being extended into the night and weekends.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ratic-counties

It is a clear sign that Republicans are can't win an election unless they rig it. Both Bush wins are very suspect. Ohio was the major player in the 2004 election when exit polling showing a Democratic victory was eminent until the returns went haywire and the exit polling statistics indicating Democratic wins actually turned into Republican victories that allowed the Republican media to trumpet victory, for Bush, immediately.

This is going to be the dirtiest election in the history of this country. It will be interesting.

GET RID OF ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES WITH NO PAPER TRAIL.

I know. It is an imperfect solution. And if I understand you correctly, you're right about the dangers of requiring the ignorant Tea Party hate-mongers to turn up on election day.

I think they should have a 10 question test (in English) that you have to pass prior to voting.:D Kansas requires photo ID as of this year.:)

The GOP would be thereby decimated, particularly its blue collar Bubba base.

Well I don't want it taken that way I was being facetious.....everyone should vote and I am against voter suppression....I just think its strange how we split parties and do not understand that compromise is essiential and I hate the racial tinge of the most rabid tea party guys.....
My response to Finnbow's OP was subtle sarcasm but confused people....this is not a joking matter

The trouble is each state would have to pass their own laws. The Constitution leaves voting regulations largely to the states.

That we could do. Should do.

John

Saturday? The number of voters would likely decrease because they are hungover or watching an inane sporting event. Those that want to vote are currently able to vote. The fact that a lot don't doesn't mean there is something structurally wrong with the current system.

BTW, did you hear much about that big concert in SF? I saw the SF Gate write up and it appeared to be quite good concert.

Probably so. I was thinking more along the lines of a Monday holiday.

I'm embarrassed to say I don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

Oh, Outside Lands! I haven't heard any reports but the lineup was pretty damn good.

John

Depends upon their working hours and unlike the Canadian system employers are not compelled to give time off when the polls are open.

Actually, there is such a law in Missouri, and thanks for reminding me that I need to brush up on it. It is fairly technical in setting forth the circumstances under which it will apply.

In Kansas we have early voting. For about two weeks in advance of the election, IIRC, there are several large polling places set up where people can vote at their leisure. Insofar as out Governor and SOS are intent on voter suppression, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after that practice as well.

Regards,

D-Ray

The study I cited earlier showed essentially zero incidence of voter impersonation (the supposed objective of the GOP push for voter ID), but problems with voter registration and manipulating absentee ballots. Yet, the GOP is silent in these areas. What gives (other than the obvious intent to disenfranchise Democratic voters)?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...b19_story.html

Whoa. Don't state the obvious bh ;)

Pete

As I noted earlier that depends on your employment, in some elections I had to break a few speed laws to make it to the polls before closing.:p

Yeah I've pushed it too. But if you know you can't make it absentee ballots are a wonderful thing :)

Pete