Gunman shoots up Sikh Temple in Wisconsin.
 

Kills six members and is killed by a police officer who was shot himself several times. The unnamed as yet police officer is in surgery as I post this. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families of what is being described as a hate crime at this early stage. The gunman was described as white and unknown to church goers. No word on the particular weapon used in these latest murders.:(

Why can't we reduce the availability of firearms in this country? How about a much more stringent background check? What about a mental stability test of some sort before being allowed to purchase a gun and/or ammo? It's becoming abundantly clear to me that the rights of gun owners are riding roughshod over the rest of the countries right to be free of being shot and killed.

Members of the Sikh faith have been mistaken for Muslims and found themselves targets of the racist element in our population after 9/11 on several occasions. Those that think that racism is a thing of the past only need see the headlines to see this is not true. Whether it happens in Wisconsin or closer to home in Anaheim with the city police flipping out on demonstrators after at least one unprovoked shooting and subsequent coup de grace murder of a suspect, racism is still huge in America. We are far from being a color blind nation, which we should be.

Tragic event to be sure. To early really to know much more then at least one with a gun attacked the people inside the Temple.



Barney

Here's a link with more info Barney. Eyewitness describes gunman as white outsider. Terrible story.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...in-7-dead?lite

Story still unfolding. Apparently the shooter ambushed a police officer who was rendering aid to a victim. The shooter then either opened fire on a second police officer or was engaged by that police officer. Either way, the second officer put him down.

To be mistaken for muslims......jeesh! It happens so often to these people.

Looks like the shooter was an army veteran. Very sad story all the way around. Two months. Two headline-grabbing public shootings. WTF?

The shooter has now been identified as a 40 year old Army veteran named Wade Michael Page. It's being reported by Reuters, NPR and the Christian Science Monitor, and perhaps some others, that Page is a member, and perhaps the leader, of a white supremacist neo-Nazi group called "End Apathy".

So, maybe we don't have a case of "mistaken identity" here. Page may have targeted the Sikhs simply because they're non-white.

When will enough finally be enough?

John

Maybe this shooting will end apathy with regard to our gun laws and the hard-line right wing rhetoric. But, I'm not counting on it.

Neither am I.

Don't hold your breath!

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/im...A_odiH3bzwNADw

Good luck getting my weapon.

And good riddance of another nazi.

Pete

"He went out tiger hunting with his elephant and his gun"
What was the next line.....;)

I don't want your weapon, Pete. I want a comprehensive, reasonable national dialog on the matter where no topic is off limits. I don't think that's asking too much but Wayne LaPierre sure does.

I might, depending on what Pete's gun is.

John

There is no reason to add expense to gun owners. Permits are not free ( though they should be since the 2'nd is our permit ). We already have laws that make it illegal for a crook or mental freak to have guns, but does that stop 'em? Hell no, they still find what they want and rob or shoot people. I'll say it til I'm dead: '' More gun laws only affect HONEST PEOPLE DAMMIT!! ''.

Under the law the killer was honest, until he started killing everyone.

If assult weapons were totally banned where will the whackjobs get their hands on them. By banned I not only mean no longer made or sold but all existing ones destroyed. That way an honest man with a handgun has a good chance against so whacko invading his home.:rolleyes:

So simply discussing the matter is off the table - got it.

John, just a little H&R 9 shot 22 revolver. It's my buddies guns that rock! His Springfield 1911 is an awesome pistol.

Although with shorty 22s the H&R is fun. I swear a firecracker is louder. Hard to aim though.

Pete

Nobody is getting anybody's guns, we are too corrupt to pass any gun laws. It just ain't going to happen. The NRA found this scares people into donating is all it is. Boo! :p


Carl

Always the same paranoid rhetoric from the NRA wackjobs. I'm waiting for the screeching condemnation that how everyone on the left is using this for their own political agenda.

Google the words "false flag Colorado" and see what comes up.

This is a particularly fun one:
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...atriots/18116/

From the linked-to article:

"Purchases of firearms in the US have been increasing to the millions per month as the soviet so************************t insurgency is moving closer to martial law and a totalitarian dictatorship. The enemies of our Republic are showing their desperation to stop the American people from arming for our defense.

We have been expecting a false flag operation and that is why Colorado was chosen as it offers the maximum control for the operatives. Colorado is an international soviet so************************t stronghold within our borders. The UN controlled NORTHCOM is located in Colorado Springs in the side of a mountain and there are many square miles of insurgent underground facilities in the Denver area. This latest insurgent op in Aurora occurred only 16 miles from Columbine, Colorado, where the infamous false flag school shooting was carried out in 1999." From that same article.

If this isn't evidence of some serious mental illness, I don't know what is.
I've seen some paranoid ramblings from the left on occasion but these folk(Rachel Cohen, author) make a case for electroshock and Thorazine therapy.

:rolleyes:Maybe that's what the right is scared of in the secret portions of the PPACA?;)

Apparently the shooter was discharged from the Army as a consquence of a 'pattern of misconduct.' That is a fairly typical description, in my experience, for a discipline problem. That description was commonly used during my USN days for guys we characterized rather elegantly as 'slugs.' If the reports are accurate, theny this guy was hardly a model soldier.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/opinio...ntent=My+Yahoo

I've known a few people of the Sikh faith and this story is typical of these very strong and resilient people from the state of Punjab in India. Instead of insularity in the face of this tragedy, they invite us to their temple this Sunday to pray with them.

I'm guessing it will lead to Mr. LaPierre suggesting that every American, including the schizophrenic and the criminally insane, be required to posses one fully automatic 60 caliber machine gun and a footlocker full of hand grenades.

Dave

Colorado is the heart of the new Soviet Bloc?

Fu**in' retards.

Dave

I read it was because he was drunk on duty and AWOL.

For the record:

1. He was deemed unworthy of bearing a firearm in our military.
2. But he can possess, legally, all he wants in our society.

Fuckin' stupid.

Amazing, isn't it?

Somehow the knuckledraggers think this connotes freedom.:confused:

California already has tough gun laws. Do you want to go beyond the requirements in California? It's a fifteen day waiting period and a limit on the number of firearms one can purchase per month IIRC. It's doubtful that the California laws have saved a single person despite the claims of the anti-gun lobby. The gun laws are like stimulus spending in that the left can always claim that there is not enough of either to get the job done. Thus, continued expansion and restrictions. Look what happened with California's seatbelt law. Remember when a LEO only could only issue a warning if you were pulled over for another infraction, but could not pull you over and issue a ticket just for the seatbelt. That has gradually expanded to the issuing of progressively expensive tickets.

Oh no, you don't get to trivialize seatbelt laws. I saw the same Signal 30 horror flicks that you probably saw back in the day. People halfway out of the windshield butchered and bled out. There was a particularly gruesome photo of a guy who halfway fell out of the drivers seat and partially out the door before his car hit a tree stump with that door, almost cut him in half. It oughta be a full point against your license to drive without buckling up.(which it still isn't) To do otherwise means you don't have control of your vehicle in an emergency situation. Nope, no soap on that analogy.:(

I like the original Federal assault weapons ban. The one with the prohibition on over ten round magazines, etc. That's good enough for me. I like another old law that went in the crapper by the name of Glass Steagle. Call me old fashioned and off topic.;)

Well, living in a world where you never know when the next OK Corral shootout is going to happen IS "freedom", Pat. You're not free until you have to fear for your life every single day.

You didn't know that?

So, again, just to be clear, a national dialog on creative ways to address issues such as what just happened in the movie theater and the Sikh temple where no topic is off limits is out of the question. Do I have that right?

Just trying to understand here.

1. Yep
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Your characterization: spot on.

Well BH I may agree with you on seat belt laws, if you are too effing stupid to wear one let's just call it Darwin in action. They designed air bags to restrain a 150 pond male not wearing a seat belt. As a consequence a 5'-2" woman sitting close to the wheel may well be killed by the air bag.

In Arkansas I can walk into a guns show and walk out with an AK47 in 15 minutes. Hop on my hawg, strap the gun onto the gun rack then, with no helmet on, ride off into the sunset and it is all legal. If I get caught not wearing a seat belt it is a hefty fine.

I am by no means anti seat belt. I have used them my whole life. My dads 1958 SAAB 93B GT had lap belts and shoulder straps. Damn I wish I still had that car. Jay Leno just paid a fortune for one.

When you go to see a doctor he will implant a mind control chip.

You can see it already - a dazed look in the eye, slowly walking saying Obama is good... Obama is good...

:D

Punjab in Little Orphan Anne is serious decent and fearless :)

But it makes people feel better, and feelings count more than facts in this brave new world. People will indeed give up freedom for security. Gladly.

Pete

What "anti-gun lobby"?

It ain't just California, bucko! And guess which state has the highest fine, more than double California's, and among the highest citation rates! Texas!

And seat belt laws ain't a bad thing either unless laws in general are a bad thing.

Tickets are a source of revenue. States have to raise money somehow. To you anti-tax right wingers, aren't higher fines preferable to higher taxes?

John