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Oerets 07-11-2012 03:09 PM

Romney a hit at the Naacp
 
Can't make this stuff up!



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...6#.T_3dYZFLPEl



Barney

bhunter 07-11-2012 03:26 PM

Let's see. He stayed with his consistent message before a rapid partisan audience and he's somehow at fault. I think he did the right thing, rather than bring forth a cadence like Obama did with his Congressional Black Caucus speech. Come to think of it, what would people say if there were a Congressional White Caucus?

finnbow 07-11-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 112029)
Let's see. He stayed with his consistent message before a rapid partisan audience and he's somehow at fault. I think he did the right thing, rather than bring forth a cadence like Obama did with his Congressional Black Caucus speech. Come to think of it, what would people say if there were a Congressional White Caucus?

There is. It's called the GOP.

piece-itpete 07-11-2012 03:29 PM

perpetrating fraud LMAO!!

Of course he'll get bood. He's not Obama!

Pete

bhunter 07-11-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 112030)
There is. It's called the GOP.

I saw that coming Finn. It was a nice easy pitch!

Boreas 07-11-2012 04:45 PM

I know many of my comrades in the party will disagree but I don't think Romney was dissing the NAACP. I do think he played them though. Getting booed by the NAACP is simply red meat to the racist elements in the Republican base.

Going on Fox and saying that he got the reaction he expected is both revealing and stupid. It revealed him for the cynical race-baiter that he is. It's stupid because he could have driven the point home with his base by saying that the reaction came as a surprise. He could have said that his message and his goals are good for the poor and disadvantaged and was shocked to learn that his audience couldn't grasp that.

John

Oerets 07-11-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 112044)
I know many of my comrades in the party will disagree but I don't think Romney was dissing the NAACP. I do think he played them though. Getting booed by the NAACP is simply red meat to the racist elements in the Republican base.

Going on Fox and saying that he got the reaction he expected is both revealing and stupid. It revealed him for the cynical race-baiter that he is. It's stupid because he could have driven the point home with his base by saying that the reaction came as a surprise. He could have said that his message and his goals are good for the poor and disadvantaged and was shocked to learn that his audience couldn't grasp that.

John



I agree with you 100%. The sound bite of him being booed at a Naacp event will get plenty of air time on Right Wing media outlets for months to come!

This was directed the Right end of the electorate. If not he would of tailored it more to please this crowd today.



Barney

bobabode 07-11-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 112042)
I saw that coming Finn. It was a nice easy pitch!

Pitching underhanded is for sissies...:)

bhunter 07-11-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 112044)
I know many of my comrades in the party will disagree but I don't think Romney was dissing the NAACP. I do think he played them though. Getting booed by the NAACP is simply red meat to the racist elements in the Republican base.

Going on Fox and saying that he got the reaction he expected is both revealing and stupid. It revealed him for the cynical race-baiter that he is. It's stupid because he could have driven the point home with his base by saying that the reaction came as a surprise. He could have said that his message and his goals are good for the poor and disadvantaged and was shocked to learn that his audience couldn't grasp that.

John

Agreed, but I don't really see any upside to even speaking before that group, then again, he'd also be ridiculed for not speaking.

beej 07-12-2012 05:31 AM

Totally agree that Romney measured his comments to be boo-ed. I'm certain he garnered more than a few votes from that one. He has to know what few votes he would have gotten from black voters won't matter one way or the other. Also agree with bhunter that he would have been criticized for not speaking.

Boreas 07-12-2012 09:37 AM

Behind the scenes in the Romney campaign.

http://themessageis.com/advice-for-m...-naacp-speech/

John

merrylander 07-12-2012 11:35 AM

When they investigated voter fraud during Dubya's reign in 2007 they found 86 people who had voted but really were not entitled. Not one case of someone voting insomeone elses place was found.

whell 07-12-2012 02:01 PM

Let's see. If he goes, he likely gets boo'd (as he did) and you guys would crow about it.

If he doesn't go, you guys would crow about how he only appears before "friendly" crowds.

I think I'll stay on the sidelines on this thread, since nothing productive will likely come from it.

CarlV 07-12-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112116)
Let's see. If he goes, he likely gets boo'd (as he did) and you guys would crow about it.

If he doesn't go, you guys would crow about how he only appears before "friendly" crowds.

I think I'll stay on the sidelines on this thread, since nothing productive will likely come from it.

Boy I sure am glad that sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't stuff hasn't happened to Obama.:p


Carl

finnbow 07-12-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112116)
Let's see. If he goes, he likely gets boo'd (as he did) and you guys would crow about it.

If he doesn't go, you guys would crow about how he only appears before "friendly" crowds.

I think I'll stay on the sidelines on this thread, since nothing productive will likely come from it.

Your view is defensible were it not for the fact that Romney and Co. knew full well he would elicit boos with his provocative and disrespectful comments. He knew he wouldn't lose a single black vote (they wouldn't vote for him anyway), while gaining some support from his base for talking down to the darkies.

His presence there wasn't bold or brave as asserted by the right wing echo chamber. Brave would be going to the NRA convention and calling for sensible gun control or to a Tea Party group and advocating keeping RomneyObamaCare, while working collaboratively with the Dems to improve any small issues he may have with it (if any. He effectively wrote it, after all). What he did wasn't brave. It was cynical.

piece-itpete 07-12-2012 03:12 PM

Talking down to the darkies? Come ON.

Pete

whell 07-12-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 112123)
Your view is defensible were it not for the fact that Romney and Co. knew full well he would elicit boos with his provocative and disrespectful comments. He knew he wouldn't lose a single black vote (they wouldn't vote for him anyway), while gaining some support from his base for talking down to the darkies.

His presence there wasn't bold or brave as asserted by the right wing echo chamber. Brave would be going to the NRA convention and calling for sensible gun control or to a Tea Party group and advocating keeping RomneyObamaCare, while working collaboratively with the Dems to improve any small issues he may have with it (if any. He effectively wrote it, after all). What he did wasn't brave. It was cynical.

So advocating for your ideas is cynical, and while caving for political expedience is brave? Whatever. :rolleyes:

icenine 07-12-2012 03:23 PM

The smart thing...go and come out strongly against voter suppression, and minimize your your intellectual dishonesty by not mentioning Obamacare, or at least being respectful by not throwing red meat. Romney is going to lose, and I think he even knows it. Did he attempt to convert maybe 1% of the audience so he did not waste his time? A serious candidate would have maximized the potential for conversion and toned down rhetoric that in the end just turns off everyone. He is a dilettante...

Zeke 07-12-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112116)
Let's see. If he goes, he likely gets boo'd (as he did) and you guys would crow about it.

If he doesn't go, you guys would crow about how he only appears before "friendly" crowds.

I think I'll stay on the sidelines on this thread, since nothing productive will likely come from it.

Productive? Romney got precisely what he wanted: a picturesque moment for every undecided white male bearing a latent resentment over minority gains since Rosa Parks to have an internal excuse to vote based on race without feeling guilty about it.

That's worth a 1.5 point swing. :rolleyes:

whell 07-12-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 112127)
Productive? Romney got precisely what he wanted: a picturesque moment for every undecided white male bearing a latent resentment over minority gains since Rosa Parks to have an internal excuse to vote based on race without feeling guilty about it.

That's worth a 1.5 point swing. :rolleyes:

So, to make your theory work, Romney's minions were spread out through the crowd pressing greenbacks into the attendee's hands to assure that they would boo on cue. Brilliant!

Zeke 07-12-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 112128)
So, to make your theory work, Romney's minions were spread out through the crowd pressing greenbacks into the attendee's hands to assure that they would boo on cue. Brilliant!

To make my theory work, you just have to be aware of human nature when you verbally throw a grenade into a crowd.

whell 07-12-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 112129)
To make my theory work, you just have to be aware of human nature when you verbally throw a grenade into a crowd.

That's where your theory falls apart. As your friends here on the forum will tell you, repubs aren't that smart.

finnbow 07-12-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112125)
So advocating for your ideas is cynical, and while caving for political expedience is brave? Whatever. :rolleyes:

Romney saying what he actually believes in? That's funny, Whell.

OK, then. What objective do you think he had with this appearance?

Zeke 07-12-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 112130)
That's where your theory falls apart. As your friends here on the forum will tell you, repubs aren't that smart.

For every James Carville, there is a brilliant Republican strategist even if the candidate sucks: that's where things like Swift Boating comes from...

finnbow 07-12-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112130)
That's where your theory falls apart. As your friends here on the forum will tell you, repubs aren't that smart.

Au contraire. Republican spinmeisters and operators are experts at their craft, much better than their Democratic counterparts. How else could they hoodwink so many to vote against their own personal interests?

Or maybe it is that their base truly is that dumb. Hmmm.

whell 07-12-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 112131)
OK, then. What objective do you think he had with this appearance?

How about not having an ulterior motive, other than to make his case? What have the Dems done for African American's lately, other than to take their vote for granted?

whell 07-12-2012 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 112134)
Au contraire. Republican spinmeisters and operators are experts at their craft, much better than their Democratic counterparts. How else could they hoodwink so many to vote against their own personal interests?

Or maybe it is that their base truly is that dumb. Hmmm.

To your first point - the how did Obama get elected in 2008?

To your second point - maybe. I guess that's how Obama got elected.

bobabode 07-12-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112135)
How about not having an ulterior motive, other than to make his case? What have the Dems done for African American's lately, other than to take their vote for granted?

Hah! That's an easy one whell. At least blacks know that the Democrats have their back and have since before LBJ. When did the Repubs do anything at all for minorities (since the 1860s)? Where was any astonishment on Mitts face when he told the NAACP that he was their guy? Looked like a possum with a face full of pumpkin seeds grinning that signature smarmy grin. I was half expecting to see that asshole whip out a roll of $100s and ask if any one present wanted to sell their votes.:rolleyes:
Why is it with Repubs it's always what have you done for me lately? Sounds like the true graft and corruption party...:rolleyes:Just follow the money Whell.

Zeke 07-12-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112135)
How about not having an ulterior motive, other than to make his case?

You don't make your case by purposefully lobbing oral ordinance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112135)
how did Obama get elected in 2008?

By being a markedly superior candidate compared to a guy I would have happily voted for in 2000 before he sold out.

bobabode 07-12-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112136)
To your first point - the how did Obama get elected in 2008?.

I have one word for ya fuzzy - Sarah Palin (oops, two words) The idea that she could be President should McCain start drooling down the front of his bib scared the shit out of just about everyone. I'll bet that even a minority of Repubs jumped ship or simply stayed home when it came right down to it....

finnbow 07-12-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 112141)
I have one word for ya fuzzy - Sarah Palin (oops, two words) The idea that she would be President because McCain started drooling down the front of his bib ....

Corrected it for ya. McCain's been drooling for about a decade now.

bobabode 07-12-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 112143)
Corrected it for ya. McCain's been drooling for about a decade now.

I was just being generous.;)

BlueStreak 07-12-2012 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 112044)
I know many of my comrades in the party will disagree but I don't think Romney was dissing the NAACP. I do think he played them though. Getting booed by the NAACP is simply red meat to the racist elements in the Republican base.

Going on Fox and saying that he got the reaction he expected is both revealing and stupid. It revealed him for the cynical race-baiter that he is. It's stupid because he could have driven the point home with his base by saying that the reaction came as a surprise. He could have said that his message and his goals are good for the poor and disadvantaged and was shocked to learn that his audience couldn't grasp that.

John

Right on target, John! I can hear it being muttered in trailer park living rooms across American; "See, all them Obama luvin' _______ want is a handout."

Dave

BlueStreak 07-12-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112125)
So advocating for your ideas is cynical, and while caving for political expedience is brave? Whatever. :rolleyes:

Ha, ha,ha, ha,........You're joking, right? This is Mitt Romney we're talking about, isn't it? A political Chameleon if there ever was one. If you want to know what Mitt believes in you must first pick a time period and an election cycle. I don't think Mitt himself even knows what he really believes in.

Davce

Boreas 07-12-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112128)
So, to make your theory work, Romney's minions were spread out through the crowd pressing greenbacks into the attendee's hands to assure that they would boo on cue. Brilliant!

Now, that is just plain stupid.

John

whell 07-12-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 112141)
I have one word for ya fuzzy - Sarah Palin (oops, two words) The idea that she could be President should McCain start drooling down the front of his bib scared the shit out of just about everyone. I'll bet that even a minority of Repubs jumped ship or simply stayed home when it came right down to it....

Well, I guess that blows up Zeke and Finn's points about the Repubs having brilliant strategists.

bobabode 07-12-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112151)
Well, I guess that blows up Zeke and Finn's points about the Repubs having brilliant strategists.

You aren't making any sense Whell other than proving that you would've done better heeding your own advice.

whell 07-12-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 112149)
Now, that is just plain stupid.

John

It was intended to be, to answer the absurdity of the idea of Romney's appearance being calculated to race bait.

bobabode 07-12-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112153)
It was intended to be, to answer the absurdity of the idea of Romney's appearance being calculated to race bait.

It was. Did you watch the whole speech or just the Faux News highlights?

Boreas 07-12-2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 112153)
It was intended to be (stupid), to answer the absurdity of the idea of Romney's appearance being calculated to race bait.

I don't think it's absurd at all. It's by far the most plausible interpretation of both his decision to speak there and the contents of the speech. This was Romney's Philadelphia, Mississippi moment.

John


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