Global Warming?
 

With 16 of the last 20 years being the the warmest in recordable history, what do you all think?

All I know is, it's been been an awful damn long time since I heard some right-wing nut job say "so much for global warming"......

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Indy

Given the crazy weather we have been having I can't see any other explanation.

Hey, Indy-

It ain't what I think. It's what I know. Anthropogenic global warming is a scientific fact.

By the way, in the United States since June 25th more than 2,000 local high temperature records have been tied or broken. Since June 1st the number is over 3,200.

Then there's that freak "derecho" last week. These are land-based straight line (non-cyclonic but tornadoes can form within them) "super hurricanes". It arose out of nowhere and covered 700 miles before anyone knew what hit them.

These things and other forms of freak severe weather are exactly in line with scientific models of global warming phenomena.

John

Sea levels rising, stronger storms and drought. Wild fires going on almost all spring and summer. High temperature records breaking at ever increasing frequencies. If this last one was a occurrence in the norm. Then there also should be new records being for cold temperatures at close to one to one ratio. That is if we were in a stable environment model. But we are not the temperature is going up plenty of evidence to those who look.

I think people do not want to face the facts that our lifestyles is unsustainable. Someday hard choices will be made and I'm afraid the ones doing them will look back with discuss on all of us today!



Barney

85* and raining right now on the 4th of July in Phoenix. If this is global warming, lets keep it going!

Or that the way they've chosen to earn their livelihood is exacerbating the problem.

John

I don't have a great deal of doubt about the existence of global warming. I do, however, have issues with the partisan nature of the debate on the subject as well as the efficacy/costs of any measures to counter it.

I believe the GOP's denial of its existence is just a shortcut to not having to have an intelligent discussion about what, if anything, to do about it.

Just another item in the growing list of things the wingnuts are wrong about.

Nothing suprising about that, really........

Now 79* and raining harder. I love global warming.

The problem is so big, there's really not much we can do about it?

I agree. But, I can still find the wingnuts dogged denial of it's existence amusing, can't I?

Dave

I rest my case.:p

What beautiful weather.:)

I rest "my" case about about the right-wing nut jobs.....

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Indy

It's July, the sun is out and it's hot. Go jump in the river or something.

Short duration aberrations in weather, to either extreme, are a: not the same thing as a one-way change in overall climate and b: totally consistent with global warming models and projections. Do you two really not get that or are you just acting like assholes? (Recognizing that both these things are far from mutually exclusive.)

John

If it blows through your neighbourhood like it did here you might change your mind.

This is the second year in a row it is not overcast on the 4th, 'spose it is about 60 degrees or so right now. :)


Carl

Here somewhere in the 90s

Thirty years ago people feared of an ice age because the climate was cooling.
The poles have been tropical on at least two occasions, maybe we are headed
that way now? Who knows? I could not give a shit either way. Nothing you or
I can do to stop it.

This is today's forecast for the Minneapolis/St. Paul area in Minnesota:


Today's Forecast High / Low

Brooklyn Center 102° / 77°
Minneapolis 100° / 81°
Saint Paul 100° / 79°
Blaine 100° / 77°
Eden Prairie 104° / 77°
Inver Grove Heights 100° / 81°
Lake Elmo 100° / 73°
Lakeville9 99° / 75°
Buffalo 99° / 77°
Osceola 100° / 72°


Sposed to be warmer tomorrow....

So in my best, I don't care, right-wing, idiotic, redneck voice, "so much for global warming!"

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Indy

Even if it IS BS, and the political arguments nothing but "nudging",......Where is the harm in reducing emissions, Jack? I'll have a look through the constitution again. But, I'm pretty sure I won't find any articles protecting anyones "God given" right to pollute and litter with wreckless abandon............

Dave

As you know, San Francisco is its own micro-climate. Up here, about 30 miles from the Golden Gate, it's clear, sunny and pushing 80 degrees, which is pretty normal for July 4th.

John

Heard of continental drift? The poles haven't been tropical for a billion years or so unless you're talking up the hollow earth theory.:p ;).

What you don't know, Jack, is why that's so. The poles didn't get warmer. They moved. You can see it in the igneous rock in the earth's crust where the trace iron in them is oriented away from where the poles are now and toward where they were when the rock cooled. So, when Antarctica was temperate it wasn't at the South Pole at all.

This lesson is for free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Wandering

So, what are your feelings on the subject of the Loch Ness Monster being proof that dinosaurs and man lived on Earth at the same time? If you lived in Louisiana your hard earned, begrudgingly surrendered, tax dollars would be going toward paying for that to be taught in the classroom.

John

I'd say the disagreement is not about global warming but rather what causes it.

I'm with you Dave, lowering emissions is a great plan but "carbon credits" is nothing more than a screw job.

Except for that hockey stick graph showing the CO2 levels corresponding to high temp records. There is a steady amount of global warming trending since the last ice age but the amount of humans adding to it is pretty plain to almost every climatologist. For the wingnuts to bithely claim that the industrial era emissions have little to nothing to it is what their favorite campaign contributors want them to say. They've gotta protect that holy profit line for their sugardaddies. It doesn't take a tinfoil hat to see that. It is once again a steaming pile of false equivalence. I'm sure Whellie will confirm.:rolleyes:

No, there are plenty on the right who pooh-pooh the very existence of global warming. Plenty. Take James Inhofe, the Ranking Member and former Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works.

Those few on the right who acknowledge the truth of global warming say that, though it exists, the causes are natural, not man-made, and outside our control. Some even say that global warming is beneficial!

"They call it pollution. We call it life." (Tagline from a commercial, paid for by the Competitive Enterprise Institute and claiming that greenhouse gasses, largely CO2, are good.)

John

Nonsense Jack.

It won't be in our lifetime but mark my words we will create a climate on a planet in the future. Fixing one here would be a good start towards it.

Never.

Gotta give it to ya DJ you are consistent.;) Glad to hear you all got some rain.
Have good Fourth of July, man.:D:D

Same stuff going on here in the Mojave. 76 degrees and a light raining coming down. Pretty nice day really ;)

That's great. I know you can appreciate a cool & wet July 4th.

DJ is this normal weather for the 4th of July out there?




Barney

Of course it's slightly warmer than 20 years ago but were talking 20 years.
The earth has been around billions of years. If humans are in fact causing
damage there will be another plague or severe enough climate change to
"fix" the problem. Mother nature could flush the toilet of us at any time. I
think I will pass on all this save the world hippie BS.

Hippies were cool. :p

Indeed.

Are they still feeding Manson?

Manson was not a hippie. He was a cult leader.

You're pathetic, Jack. All you can think about or care abour is what goes on there in Dogpatch. This is a global phenomenon that manifests itself differently in different places. One day you nitwits will figure it out but, the way things are going, it'll be too late.

John

Well stop complaining and do something about it. What do you expect me to
do? Dim the sun or something? Sometimes I whizz outside to avoid flushing.