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bobabode 07-03-2012 08:49 PM

What is Mitt hiding? Really?
 
The latest question of this heir presumptive is why Mitt has so much of your wealth offshore and why offshore? Mother Jones has some interesting insights.
Doesn't this show a lack of confidence in American banks or perhaps something even more nefarious. His father advocated that a candidate should release perhaps a dozen years of financial info publically. To me this is pertinent to any
decision a voter makes in the upcoming election. There should be no secrets in a candidates life, that's how we can be assured of a public official's honesty and integrity. What say you? Isn't a full disclosure the least we should expect from a presidential candidate?

BlueStreak 07-03-2012 11:43 PM

Mitt Romney is as phoney as they come. That guy doesn't give a shit about any of us or this country. Mitt is all about Mitt and nothing else. He's a salesman with a yard full of worthless junk to sell, a vampire in search of an open window.

How many of this guys collegues have to say it before it finally sticks? Oh, that's right, they think he's wonderful, now. Just don't look at their comments from the past, recent or otherwise.

Dave

Oerets 07-03-2012 11:50 PM

I can remember thinking "W" was such a Goober and no one in their "Right" mind would vote for him. They did twice......

So Mr Mitt could be a shoe in.



Barney

bobabode 07-04-2012 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 110672)
I can remember thinking "W" was such a Goober and no one in their "Right" mind would vote for him. They did twice......

So Mr Mitt could be a shoe in.



Barney

Halfway up the large intestine, I imagine, should he be elected.;)

bobabode 07-13-2012 07:55 PM

Asked about his taxes on CNN, Romney said that more information would be released.

“We’ll put out the next year of tax returns as soon as the accountants have that ready. And that’s what we’re going to put out. I know there will always be calls for more,” Romney said in an interview on CNN. “People always want to get more. And, you know, we’re putting out what is required plus more that is not required. And those are the two years that people are going to have. And that’s — that’s all that’s necessary for people to understand something about my finances.”

Hmmm, only two years? Why does it take weeks and a battery of accountants to see a copy of an already filed income tax form?

I smell something, I can't tell whether it's smoke or his shredder has caught fire.;)

bhunter 07-13-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 110646)
The latest question of this heir presumptive is why Mitt has so much of your wealth offshore and why offshore? Mother Jones has some interesting insights.

Geez, I just watched the Mother Jones writer on CurrentTV. Two points: (1) Adam Serwer ought stick to writing and stay off TV and (2) I think my ten minute viewing significantly increased CurrentTVs viewership.

Boreas 07-13-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 112411)
Geez, I just watched the Mother Jones writer on CurrentTV. Two points: (1) Adam Serwer ought stick to writing and stay off TV and (2) I think my ten minute viewing significantly increased CurrentTVs viewership.

And I'm sure they appreciate your giving them a look-see as well as your insightful analysis of their programming. :rolleyes:

John

BlueStreak 07-13-2012 08:43 PM

Mitt Romney is what the rest of the Republican Party claims it's not; Secretive, Plutocratic, Oligarchical and Elitist. He is the very emblem of the modern day GOP, sans the thin, (And ever thinning.), veil they struggle to maintain and it embarrasses them. He, and they, don't give a rats ass about anyone or anything but transferring more of this countries wealth up the scale and into their own pockets and those of their masters.

It becomes more and more obvious every day.

Dave

dmax99 07-13-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 112419)
Mitt Romney is what the rest of the Republican Party claims it's not; Secretive, Plutocratic, Oligarchical and Elitist. He is the very emblem of the modern day GOP, sans the thin, (And ever thinning.), veil they struggle to maintain and it embarrasses them. He, and they, don't give a rats ass about anyone or anything but transferring more of this countries wealth up the scale and into their own pockets and those of their masters.

It becomes more and more obvious every day.

Dave

Been obvious since "Trickle Down"

icenine 07-13-2012 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 112411)
Geez, I just watched the Mother Jones writer on CurrentTV. Two points: (1) Adam Serwer ought stick to writing and stay off TV and (2) I think my ten minute viewing significantly increased CurrentTVs viewership.

Be careful Bhunter that is a gateway drug....next thing you know you will be subscribing to the Nation and listening to NPR on the radio:D

icenine 07-13-2012 10:35 PM

On the Ed Show the host pointed out that Mitt may just be worried about being too wealthy and having everyone know his exact worth. Schultz mentioned the idea of $6 billion ....have no idea if that is true or not.
It would be be much better to lay out completely legal tax returns even if they do reveal his real worth than to hide it and appear guilty of something he is not. Everyone thought Nixon was secretive but Mitt makes him look like cellophane. And my friends, and if you were around when he was President you know this is true, Nixon could connect with the average American.

bhunter 07-13-2012 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 112437)
Be careful Bhunter that is a gateway drug....next thing you know you will be subscribing to the Nation and listening to NPR on the radio:D

Yeah, The Nation, the magazine that has a "This Week In Poverty" section. I forgot about them. I'll take a look again.

wgrr 07-14-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 110672)
I can remember thinking "W" was such a Goober and no one in their "Right" mind would vote for him. They did twice......

So Mr Mitt could be a shoe in.



Barney

He was appointed President in his first run by five black robed "kings" of the US. Then in his second run he was losing Ohio badly according to exit polling. Then magically the the numbers seemed to turn in favour of Bush. Then the exit polling statistics blew up and made no sense. Fox News immediately declared that Bush took Ohio.

The people never voted Bush in. SCOTUS did it in Florida and Blackwell did it in Ohio by rigging the electronic voting machines. The Diebold machines used in Ohio can easily be hacked in less than a minute using a compromised card and a key to open the access door to the card. All Diebold keys are the same. It would have been very easy to send "voters" out with a key and a compromised card. Pop that baby in and presto changeo three votes for Kerry turns into two votes for Bush and one for Kerry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hCyVsUir8k

bobabode 07-17-2012 11:52 PM

Even Mitt's his own party is calling him out for dodging this question. The President's conjecture was that he might not have paid any or very little in taxes in some of those years would certainly be unpopular in the blue collar red states that are appearing to be up for grabs.

Mitt also garnered three pinochios for his assertion that Kerry only revealed two years. Actually it was Kerry's wife who was browbeaten into revealing two years and she wasn't even running.

Maybe the Koch bros. and Adelsohn are right about Romney's campaign staff. They seem like a bunch of amateurs by not even confirming some of the stories they float up. Delinquent frat boys running a Presidential campaign!;)

What I find hillarious are their calls for an apology from President Obama. To which they were told to stop whining and put on their big boy pants. It's about time that the President's camp started giving these turkey's a taste of their own medicine. Unlike Romney's bunch of juvenile delinquents the President's team has been kicking some ass lately. To be honest it hasn't been that elusive of a target.:p

BlueStreak 07-18-2012 12:20 AM

I'm so sick of that. "Oh there he goes again, blaming Bush." Of course he does, it's the fucking truth. Bush WAS a boob and the GOP majorities we had up until 2006 did a terrible job of running this country. How do you think we ended up with the Dems winning in '06 and '08 in the first place? Oh, I know, "They cheated."........:rolleyes:

No, the GOP lost because the GOP has become a useless POS. Look at all of the elements of Conservative Republican ideology that HAVE taken hold over the last 30+ years......

All of the union busting, deregulation of various industries, airlines and what-not..appeasing the 1%...etc., etc., etc........

Clinton gave them Glass-Steagal and increased "Free Trade" through NAFTA, MFN status for China, etc....What happened? How has this "healthy competition" actually benefitted us? Lower prices? Pretty useless to people who have no fucking jobs, union or non, partly due to outsourcing, and still can't afford to buy anything even if they did.

Obama agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts....twice.....Where are the jobs?

Oh, I know. The Bush era levels of taxation are no longer good enough, the piglets want more now. So we have to keep the job market tight until they get what they want. Then they'll start hiring.....until the next time they decide they want more and then more, and then, more.........

How can ANYONE call this success (or "Freedom")?

Another 30 years of this "Suck up to the rich and everything will be just fine." bullshit and we'll all NEED our 2nd Amendment right for basic survival........

But, then, they do long for the "Good ol' Days" of Davey Crockett and Dan'l Boone and seem bound and determined to drag us all backwards to those days..............:rolleyes:

Dave

beej 07-18-2012 03:56 AM

And it's because of all of this incrased tax-cutting that is being proposed they'll be able to pay down the national debt.:confused:

BlueStreak 07-18-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beej (Post 112906)
And it's because of all of this incrased tax-cutting that is being proposed they'll be able to pay down the national debt.:confused:

Right. Well, it only makes good sense that when you've maxxed out your cards and can't make the payments.....The first thing you do is quit your job? Right?:confused:

beej 07-18-2012 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 112941)
Right. Well, it only makes good sense that when you've maxxed out your cards and can't make the payments.....The first thing you do is quit your job?:confused:

F*ckin A:D

piece-itpete 07-18-2012 08:49 AM

No, increase spending :rolleyes:

Pete

BlueStreak 07-18-2012 09:40 AM

Of course....If that spending is on something that might create jobs, and therefore more tax revenues............

bobabode 07-18-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 112902)
I'm so sick of that. "Oh there he goes again, blaming Bush." Of course he does, it's the fucking truth. Bush WAS a boob and the GOP majorities we had up until 2006 did a terrible job of running this country. How do you think we ended up with the Dems winning in '06 and '08 in the first place? Oh, I know, "They cheated."........

No, the GOP lost because the GOP has become a useless POS. Look at all of the elements of Conservative Republican ideology that HAVE taken hold over the last 30+ years......

All of the union busting, deregulation of various industries, airlines and what-not..appeasing the 1%...etc., etc., etc........

Clinton gave them Glass-Steagal and increased "Free Trade" through NAFTA, MFN status for China, etc....What happened? How has this "healthy competition" actually benefitted us? Lower prices? Pretty useless to people who have no fucking jobs, union or non, partly due to outsourcing, and still can't afford to buy anything even if they did.

Obama agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts....twice.....Where are the jobs?

Oh, I know. The Bush era levels of taxation are no longer good enough, the piglets want more now. So we have to keep the job market tight until they get what they want. Then they'll start hiring.....until the next time they decide they want more and then more, and then, more.........

How can ANYONE call this success (or "Freedom")?

Another 30 years of this "Suck up to the rich and everything will be just fine." bullshit and we'll all NEED our 2nd Amendment right for basic survival........

But, then, they do long for the "Good ol' Days" of Davey Crockett and Dan'l Boone and seem bound and determined to drag us all backwards to those days..............

Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 112941)
Right. Well, it only makes good sense that when you've maxxed out your cards and can't make the payments.....The first thing you do is quit your job? Right?:confused:



Good stuff! Dave:D

Zeke 07-18-2012 12:36 PM

As a guess, Romney did nothing illegal but releasing records would reveal something so distasteful as to be harmful to his overall campaign.

piece-itpete 07-18-2012 12:48 PM

100% agreed.

Pete

BlueStreak 07-18-2012 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 112974)
As a guess, Romney did nothing illegal but releasing records would reveal something so distasteful as to be harmful to his overall campaign.

That's the word I was looking for; "distasteful". Thanks, Zeke.

My Dad once told me;

"Somtimes doing something might be within the rules. But, if you do it, you're an asshole anyways."

Dave

beej 07-18-2012 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 112974)
As a guess, Romney did nothing illegal but releasing records would reveal something so distasteful as to be harmful to his overall campaign.

The nail has been struck squarely and directly on the head.

Boreas 07-18-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 112974)
As a guess, Romney did nothing illegal but releasing records would reveal something so distasteful as to be harmful to his overall campaign.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beej (Post 112983)
The nail has been struck squarely and directly on the head.

I'm not yet ready to assume Romney hasn't done anything illegal. As for the tax returns, probably not but those SEC filings are another matter.

John

d-ray657 07-18-2012 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 112947)
Of course....If that spending is on something that might create jobs, and therefore more tax revenues............

Kinda like maxing out a credit card trying to keep a business going.

Regards,

D-Ray

bhunter 07-18-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 112995)
I'm not yet ready to assume Romney hasn't done anything illegal. As for the tax returns, probably not but those SEC filings are another matter.

John

Quote:

None of the SEC filings show that Romney was anything but a passive, absentee owner during that time, as both Romney and Bain have long said. It should not surprise anyone that Romney retained certain titles while he was working out the final disposition of his ownership, for example. We see nothing to contradict the statement that a Bain spokesman issued in response to the Globe article:
http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys...me-conclusion/
There was no new evidence or anything that was different other than a partisan hack, and by extension Obama, making another partisan attack on Romney, however, it does make for sensational frothing from the partisan pundits.

merrylander 07-19-2012 07:36 AM

What's a pudit? I know what partisans were, they fought the nazis in the Balkans.

bhunter 07-19-2012 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 113096)
What's a pudit? I know what partisans were, they fought the nazis in the Balkans.

Ooops! Corrected sir.

bobabode 07-19-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 113013)
There was no new evidence or anything that was different other than a partisan hack, and by extension Obama, making another partisan attack on Romney, however, it does make for sensational frothing from the partisan pundits.

I hear you BH. The frothing partisan pundits like the GOP Governor from Alabama, Joe Scarborough and so on. Ain't it unseemly for all of those right wing partisans to jump on the bandwagon with the President calling for Romneys tax returns??:rolleyes:

Boreas 07-19-2012 10:30 AM

Ann Romney today: "We've given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how we live our life and so the election, again, will not be decided on that."

"You people"? You people???

Ann Romney in April: "I believe it's Mitt's time. I believe the country needs the kind of leadership he's going to offer… So I think it's our turn now"

Take a number, bitch.

John

Zeke 07-19-2012 10:35 AM

Change (release of records) doesn't happen until it becomes too painful (political fallout) to NOT change.

I understand making a point, "Hey, the law doesn't say I have to do this," but that nothing has been released until now makes it evident that doing so creates some sort of exposure.

This isn't like coming up with a Birth Certificate that validates a fringe argument merely by producing something, this is a measure that members of Romney's own party believe should be addressed via release.

Obvious query = why the wait?

bobabode 07-19-2012 10:50 AM

Latest conjecture is that Romney availed himself to the 2009 tax amnesty program. Hmmmmm....;)

BlueStreak 07-19-2012 10:56 AM

He is hiding something and the Obama campaign just needs to keep riding his ass until he coughs it up. (And hammering on the reluctance as they do.)

Dave

bobabode 07-19-2012 11:10 AM

A delightful bit of Bain Capital history in the LA Times today. Anybody remember Samoza of El Salvador?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,192124.story

finnbow 07-19-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 113131)
I hear you BH. The frothing partisan pundits like the GOP Governor from Alabama, Joe Scarborough and so on. Ain't it unseemly for all of those right wing partisans to jump on the bandwagon with the President calling for Romneys tax returns??:rolleyes:

Not to mention that it was Gingrich and Santorum who first floated the idea of Mitt releasing his tax returns.

BlueStreak 07-19-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 113157)
Not to mention that it was Gingrich and Santorum who first floated the idea of Mitt releasing his tax returns.

Yeah, but it's different when they do it. Just like it's fine for Republican politicians to campaign hard for re-election, but when Obama campaigns for re-election-----He's neglecting his job. Yeah, like it's not hard to see the game there.....:rolleyes:

bobabode 07-19-2012 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 113158)
Yeah, but it's different when they do it. Just like it's fine for Republican politicians to campaign hard for re-election, but when Obama campaigns for re-election-----He's neglecting his job. Yeah, like it's not hard to see the game there.....:rolleyes:

Mitt with that disengenuous little statement that the President has attended 100 fundraisers while not meeting with his job study group. All the while ignoring that it's congress who've shot down anything that would create jobs during Obamas tenure, particularly leading up to the election. Cynical jerkoffs is what I'm seeing!
They sure found time to offer up 33 bills to repeal or defund PPACA in 18months, at a pretty penny , but nothing for job creation?

piece-itpete 07-19-2012 12:31 PM

I'd suggest that if they want job creation they should recess.

Pete


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