I make a motion to do the following:
 

I make a motion to do the following:

Stop calling it "Obamacare."
Start calling it "approved by the president, passed by the house, passed by the senate, and upheld by the conservative SCOTUS care."



What do you say HatchetJack? :rolleyes:

I prefer Romneycare Part Deux.

The Director's Cut. :D

How about Commiecare
The President lied
The Supreme court had to approve it as a tax increase
The largest tax increase in our history when we can least afford it
Redistribution of wealth in the United States
Inforced by the IRS
More power for the Government
Less power for the people
Up against the wall
Just the facts

The biggest problem with this law is that they left corporate america in the mix who increase our healthcare costs by up to 40%. Profit for the non working investor class.

One other question Jack, how will this bill negatively affect you that makes you so upset?

Eric Cantor was just on my TV and he is against the pre-existing condition clause in the Obama healthcare bill.

What is with these people?

Plus he looks like a little punk that needs a talking to.

Let's just call it the biggest tax increase in history. :p

And I should vote Dem why? ;)

Pete

Well you should not if you are part of the non working investor class.

If this makes it politically impossible to let the Bush tax cuts expire after 12years it is just not worth it.

He needs to be taken to the woodshed and severley thrashed. Cantor was the snotty little bastard who held up aid to tornado victims until somebody kissed his sorry arse.

I curious about your characterization of Dubya's Medicare prescription drug law and its cost of over a half a trillion dollars, paid for with a tax cut, no less. Let the adjectives fly on that one, Jack.

Noone, apparently I should be voting for the Congressional Dems :p

Pete

Damn, DJ! What with the Supreme Court upholding PPACA yesterday and blowing great big holes in 1070 on Monday, it's probably time for you to move to Canada!

Oh, wait.

John

Well Pete if you want a double dip recession next year when Romney does an austerity plan vote for him. You must like rust lol;)

If you don't think there will be people making money outside of government on the the PPACA, then I think that's a naive position. I'm even scheming on the ways to cash in on the new federal money train. I envision bureaucracy significant enough that it will require outside consultants to effectively navigate. Furthermore, keep in mind that your 40% overhead keeps people employed somehwhere along the chain. The healthcare policy will perturb the current system and the resulting effects are not easily predictable despite the utopian meanderings of the pro-PPACA folks.

Any of those in captivity? Never seen one.

John

I at least find solace that the SC didn't find it constitutional on ICC grounds. I'm always surprised at the twist and turns inherent in siginificant SC decisions. It will be fun to watch this monstrosity be implemented and the political noose slowly choke the democrats. I can't explain it, but everytime I see Nancy Peolosi on camera, I think of Salem.

what is wrong with more people working?

SB-1070 might work out great when the current Prez is gone.
"Your papers sir" is still the guts of the bill. :)
We get control over that rogue agency we call ICE, and all is good...very good. :)

Another four years-gonna be a long wait, DJ.:p

If Romney keeps raising money like he has in the last 24 HRS., he can just buy off the Dems for the White House. :D

I predict that someday the GOP will wish they never coined the term Obamacare. Once this plan is popular the people will be reminded who was behind it and the guff dished out and by whom.

Remember all that's go to go is two little words and everyone will have healthcare. They are over sixtyfive!



Barney

Well the real "plan" by the democratic chronies is to totally dismantle the
health care system just like they did the banking industry. The same
people that they tried to help buy a home with no money down and
no credit are about to destroy the health care industry in this country.
The democrats are gonna stand back and let it happen and then swoop
in and take it over for a song. They are on a mission to control everything
in this country and have to be stopped before it's too late. What's next
after health care? Energy? Your pension? you better believe they are coming
after that soon. States are almost bankrupt now because of mandates.
They are on the list to be taken over. Our freedom and well being is under
attack and some of you are so blind in your left eye you can't see it coming.

The sooner the better as we've done so great under the tutelage of the tea baggin' republickans. Sheesh, everybody knows that Reynolds aluminum has taken over political discussin' in this country.:rolleyes:

The banking system got into trouble through their own greed, enabled by Republican deregulation. The insurance industry is another example of extreme corporate greed. They deserve to be "dismantled" and the sooner the better, before they do any more damage.

Jack, you do a lot of shrieking about the things that "liberals" or "soci@lists" or Democrats have done,or are about to do, to the country. The thing is, about half of it is pure paranoia and the rest is stuff the Republicans have already done or will do, given the chance.

John

A look at US history should be enough to convince a blind man. That when rampant removal of regulations occur, the ones at the top get richer and everybody else loose. Most of the best of times for the average American have been when unions and regulations were stronger along with a much higher tax rate for the upper wage earners.



Barney

One of the interesting things that a high top marginal tax rate does is keep money in companies and corporations. If the tax rate is high CEO salaries stay low because extreme high salaries simply get eaten up by taxes.

No point in having them under those circumstances so, instead of going to salaries and other forms of compensation for the top dogs, company profits get plowed back into the company for expansion (meaning more hiring), modernization and higher wages and better benefits for the workers.

This isn't theoretical. It's precisely why we became the economic engine of the world in the '50s and '60s and why our standard of living was the best of any nation's on earth, before, during or since.

John

What have you got against Canadians?

News Flash: Obana was raising it faster.:p

Really? Great! All I've been hearing about is Romney.

So much for the "Liberal Media"!

John

A thing of the past. They've been replaced with the likes of CNN. What's left has been bought out by the neocons. Liberal media? Hah, urban legend nowadays.
You have to search for anything resembling an unbiased and credible news source. Even MSNBC has never struck me as having any journalistic integrity.
Control the press and you've taken the first big step towards fascism.:mad:

The wealthy of the 2010s is much much differnt than the wealthy of the 50s. The world is interconnected, the difference between living in one place or the other minimized.

The US already has the highest business tax rate. They WILL move eventually, and we can all share our rice and beans knowing nobody is ripping off our hard earned cash. Except the government.

Pete

Among the lowest, if not thelowest, in terms of taxes paid. You must know, Pete! How else can our mega-corporations end up paying essentially no taxes, or even getting refunds, after racking up record profits? Check out Exxon and GE, for Pete's sake! ;)

John