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Dondilion 06-25-2012 09:42 PM

Scalia on a soapbox
 
Scalia on the immigration soapbox.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/a...185431255.html

finnbow 06-25-2012 09:55 PM

He sounds more like a politician than a SCOTUS judge.

bhunter 06-25-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 109243)

I don't have an easy answer to our immigration problem, however, I do think that current law ought be enforced regardless of the political wishes of Obama. Prosecutorial discretion seems like an excuse to abrogate current federal law. If a president can pick and choose what laws to enforce, then why even have that pesky legislature and the separation of powers. BTW, I don't recall Obama putting forth comprehensive immigration reform at the beginning of his term.

BlueStreak 06-25-2012 10:06 PM

Are we planning to do more "Legislating from the bench"?

Sure sounds like it.

I thought the right hated it when that happens?

Dave

Boreas 06-25-2012 10:06 PM

Wow! Some "judge"! Not a cotton pickin' thing about the legality or constitutionality of 1070 just a blatant political assault on the administration. Scalia is a disgrace!

John

BlueStreak 06-25-2012 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 109251)
I don't have an easy answer to our immigration problem, however, I do think that current law ought be enforced regardless of the political wishes of Obama. Prosecutorial discretion seems like an excuse to abrogate current federal law. If a president can pick and choose what laws to enforce, then why even have that pesky legislature and the separation of powers. BTW, I don't recall Obama putting forth comprehensive immigration reform at the beginning of his term.

Yes, I agree. Every law on the books should be strictly enforced;

http://www.theranger.org/2.13560/obs...3#.T-koPXnRiSo

I hope you aren't planning to buy any Limburger on Sunday, or shoot any Buffalo from your hotel window in Texas......

Dave

BlueStreak 06-25-2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 109256)
Wow! Some "judge"! Not a cotton pickin' thing about the legality or constitutionality of 1070 just a blatant political assault on the administration. Scalia is a disgrace!

John

Wow, I was just thinking along the same lines. And, just think, John.....Some of us want to fill up the government with MORE pigs like Scalia.......

CarlV 06-25-2012 10:17 PM

Finest judges money can buy. :rolleyes:






Carl




DREAM Act 2009 re-introduction

The act was re-introduced in both chambers of Congress on Thursday, March 26, 2009, during the 111th Congress. Introducing the bill were Senators Dick Durbin (D-IL), Richard Lugar (R-IN), Harry Reid (D-NV), Mel Martinez (R-FL), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Ted Kennedy (D-MA), and Russ Feingold (D-WI)[27] and U.S. Representative Howard Berman (D-CA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Act

bhunter 06-25-2012 10:30 PM

Did any of you read his dissent?

BlueStreak 06-25-2012 10:54 PM

No need. We know what Scalia is thinkng before he opens his mouth.

BlueStreak 06-25-2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 109262)
Finest judges money can buy. :rolleyes:






Carl




DREAM Act 2009 re-introduction

The act was re-introduced in both chambers of Congress on Thursday, March 26, 2009, during the 111th Congress. Introducing the bill were Senators Dick Durbin (D-IL), Richard Lugar (R-IN), Harry Reid (D-NV), Mel Martinez (R-FL), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Ted Kennedy (D-MA), and Russ Feingold (D-WI)[27] and U.S. Representative Howard Berman (D-CA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Act

The DREAM Act-------Authored by Dick Durbin and ORRIN HATCH, REPUBLICAN FROM UTAH.

merrylander 06-26-2012 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 109266)
Did any of you read his dissent?

Yes and it is 99 & 44/100ths pure unaduletrated bull shit. Scalia, if he had any knowledge of the law, should know that it is our law that can make deportation a long drawn ou process. Plus ICE has limited resources so Obama is using what he has to rid us of the criminal element such as MS 13.

I trust that everyone knows that the only reason Scalia is on the bench is that when his name was proposed Saint Ronnie approved because he thought we needed more minority representation on SCOTUS. It certainly was not because of his great knowledge of the Constitution. If it was not for the abilities of his clerks he would more often sound like the blithering idiot he is.

noonereal 06-26-2012 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 109251)
I don't have an easy answer to our immigration problem, however, I do think that current law ought be enforced regardless of the political wishes of Obama. .

Bush is the guy who purposely ignored immigration law.

Good grief, this subject is yet another political win for the GOP who have made it as if Obie does not enforce immigration laws when in reality he is the guy who has stepped up enforcement that Bush ignored.


Our political system is a near failure IMHO.

noonereal 06-26-2012 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 109256)
Wow! Some "judge"! Not a cotton pickin' thing about the legality or constitutionality of 1070 just a blatant political assault on the administration. Scalia is a disgrace!

John

Old news John, old news.


When a supreme goes bad they need to be removed.

merrylander 06-26-2012 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 109340)
Old news John, old news.


When a supreme goes bad they need to be removed.

I wonder if whoever is chairing the justice committee will recommend impeachment?:rolleyes:

merrylander 06-26-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 109340)
Old news John, old news.


When a supreme goes bad they need to be removed.

I wonder if whoever is chairing the justice committee will recommend impeachment?:rolleyes:

Sorry to reiterate but the outcry against Obama has become so vitiolic that there is no longer any doubt in my mind that it is purely racist. If you disagree I was about to suggest you kiss my nether regions but I would need to get a rabies shot first.

piece-itpete 06-26-2012 08:30 AM

I hate people from Kenya.

Pete

bhunter 06-26-2012 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 109336)
Yes and it is 99 & 44/100ths pure unaduletrated bull shit. Scalia, if he had any knowledge of the law, should know that it is our law that can make deportation a long drawn ou process. Plus ICE has limited resources so Obama is using what he has to rid us of the criminal element such as MS 13.

I trust that everyone knows that the only reason Scalia is on the bench is that when his name was proposed Saint Ronnie approved because he thought we needed more minority representation on SCOTUS. It certainly was not because of his great knowledge of the Constitution. If it was not for the abilities of his clerks he would more often sound like the blithering idiot he is.

He has roughly the same academic pedigree as Obama. I actually prefer his writing style in his dissents; however, I grant that they can be somewhat "embellished." HIs writing style and questioning style have both been constant over the last thirty years. Thus, his input in his opinions is certainly constant whereas his clerks have changed over time. It is no secret that he supports a close reading of The Constitution, however, that is not a reason to disparage his legal schloarship IMHO.

Boreas 06-26-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 109352)
I wonder if whoever is chairing the justice committee will recommend impeachment?:rolleyes:

Let's see, that would be the House Judiciary Committee?

John

noonereal 06-26-2012 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 109352)
I wonder if whoever is chairing the justice committee will recommend impeachment?:rolleyes:

Sorry to reiterate but the outcry against Obama has become so vitiolic that there is no longer any doubt in my mind that it is purely racist. If you disagree I was about to suggest you kiss my nether regions but I would need to get a rabies shot first.

Sadly even a few posts here seem to harbor deep resentment against Obama because he is black.

I guess if I were brought up believing the black race was inferior, was not very secure in my own skin and saw a black man at the top of the ladder I'd feel the same.

piece-itpete 06-26-2012 10:37 AM

Considering the vitriol aimed at Bush I'm surprised many lefties don't hate Obama because of the white part.

Something for everyone :)

Pete

d-ray657 06-26-2012 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 109374)
Considering the vitriol aimed at Bush I'm surprised many lefties don't hate Obama because of the white part.

Something for everyone :)

Pete

Yeah, but Obama is not from Texas.

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow 06-26-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 109251)
I don't have an easy answer to our immigration problem, however, I do think that current law ought be enforced regardless of the political wishes of Obama. Prosecutorial discretion seems like an excuse to abrogate current federal law....

Prosecutorial discretion exists virtually everywhere for all laws. When the last time you got a speeding ticket for going 56 mph or arrested for tearing a label off a mattress? The INS has limited resources for arrests and deportations and focuses on those who threaten public safety. If there's a legitimate bitch about prosecutorial discretion, it should be directed at the SEC for allowing all the Wall St. miscreants to have a free pass to rape the country.

As for Scalia, I disagree with a lot of what he says and writes. However, I respect his intellect for a person that far right. Most folks that far right foam at the mouth while they rant and rave.:eek:

icenine 06-26-2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 109340)
Old news John, old news.


When a supreme goes bad they need to be removed.

FDR tried to pack the court in the 30s when some of the New Deal programs were ruled unconstitutional....NRA and AAA. Probably the biggest misstep of his 12 year Presidency. Everybody remembers this and no one is going to even suggest any sort of removal or packing of the court with pro-administration judges.

merrylander 06-26-2012 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 109386)
FDR tried to pack the court in the 30s when some of the New Deal programs were ruled unconstitutional....NRA and AAA. Probably the biggest misstep of his 12 year Presidency. Everybody remembers this and no one is going to even suggest any sort of removal or packing of the court with pro-administration judges.

Instead we have it half packed with corporatist judges who will twist the Constitution like a pretzel.

icenine 06-26-2012 11:36 AM

It is a slow pendulum...for years it was a centrist-liberal court and for the last few decades more conservative. It may be swinging back toward the middle. Thursday will be a good indication of where it is going. Remember the party of the appointing President does not always indicate if a judge will be conservative or liberal. Ask Eisenhower lol......

merrylander 06-26-2012 01:21 PM

Here is an example of what I wrote earlier, so far the administration has neither passed nor proposed an legislation regarding gambling, yet Sheldon Adelson says he will spend $100 million if it defeats Obama. This caused John McCain to state "The worst decision by the Supreme Court in the 21st century. Uninformed, arrogant, naive." Finally something McCain and I can agree on.

$100 million, gotta hate real bad to spend that kind of money.

Boreas 06-26-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 109379)
Yeah, but Obama is not from Texas.

Regards,

D-Ray

Even Bob Wills had the good sense to leave Texas for Oklahoma!;)

John

finnbow 06-26-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 109415)
Even Bob Wills had the good sense to leave Texas for Oklahoma!;)

John

And the only reason that Texas has stayed in the union is that Oklahoma sucks.;)

Boreas 06-26-2012 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 109415)
Even Bob Wills had the good sense to leave Texas for Oklahoma!;)

John

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 109417)
And the only reason that Texas has stayed in the union is that Oklahoma sucks.;)

You gettin' all this, Don? :D

John

d-ray657 06-26-2012 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 109417)
And the only reason that Texas has stayed in the union is that Oklahoma sucks.;)

Don't remind me. We might have to move back there. But there is some pretty doggone good football in the Sooner state.

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow 06-26-2012 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 109419)
Don't remind me. We might have to move back there. But there is some pretty doggone good football in the Sooner state.

Regards,

D-Ray

I've traveled the state all over the state and must say that eastern part is the most appealing to my eyes with its lakes, forests and hills. Also, Tulsa seems like a real city, whereas OKC seems like a featureless sprawl. Then again, there's no denying the charm of Meers Store outside of Lawton.;)

Wasillaguy 06-26-2012 02:29 PM

If Alaska divided in two, Texas would be the third largest state.

Or, there's the t-shirt that was popular when construction of the pipeline was finishing up- "Happiness is a Texan heading south, with an Okie under each arm"


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