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Scotus overturns 9th Circuit's ruling that favored unions over their constituent members 7 to 2. SEIU loses. Does anyone have an aggreagate dollar amount of all union dues collected anually in the United States?

This is fine with me. I have no sympathy nor do I understand the need for public sector unions.

Why would a "nonmember" have to "opt out" an assessment any organization requires of its "members"? How does someone who is a "nonmember" get to object to anything an organization they DO NOT belong to requires of it's members?

Ah, I see, "closed shop". So, they are basically members who wish they weren't.

People who are more than happy to accept the bargained for benefits, but just don't want to pay for the service. And, don't tell me it doesn't work that way, I've seen it, it most definitely does. I've watched people join just to file a grievence, or help win a certification election then promptly drop out as soon as they can. (Right to Work state.)

So, why don't these assholes just go get another job? Nothing is stopping them, they can quit anytime they like, and get lost.

Dave

Union membership is so low now...not really an issue is it? I have seen the American economy when you unions were dominant and I have seen the present. When I was a kid in Ohio it took one parent to raise a household, put a kid through college and buy that extra car. Try doing that in San Diego county today on one income, even if you are a professional.

At the Federal Level there is no right to collective bargaining if I am not mistaken. Union membership is voluntary and most I believe join the union more for support against perceived wrongs, ie a negative evaluation. They will also sit with you during administrative hearings on work performance, counselings, anything that could be negative for your career.

That was my fathers gneration. Try doing that ANYWHERE inside the United States, nowadays.........Good Luck with that.

And, according to the wingnuts our workers are still too "coddled" or "pampered". And this comes from people who SIT ON THEIR LAZY ASSES BEHIND A DESK and RARELY LEAVE THE A/C........:rolleyes:

Think about it, it's the truth.

You do realize some of the members here are wasting a big chunk of their workday arguing with us here on PC, don't you? That's right, they are supposed to be working. But, instead they hang out here, telling US what WE should be doing nearly every day of the week.

I would get FIRED for that. Seriously. Out of my thousands of posts, not a single one of them has ever been written while I was at work. Not one.

And, they wonder why I don't like them............

Dave

If we'd like to go back to 1 tv and a 13-1500 sf ranch or bungalow unless you're making minimum wage your wife would not have to work, in most cases.

We have bigger houses fancier cars and much much more 'stuff' now.

Pete

Btw, year over year I'm up over 50%. Superman. I work on my own house and rebuilt my own car.

I have never told you what to do.

Pete

Not everyone Pete...not by a long shot...

Your private sector experiences with unions really don't translate into the public sector IMHO. They are completely different animals. As strongly as I support union rights in the private sector, I oppose them in the public sector. They simply have no reason for being and do more harm than good.

FWIW, a lot of private sector union households in Wisconsin seemed to feel the same way in the recent recall election.

Yeah. That's what it is.:rolleyes:

50% of what?

The reason for the public sector unions is that when all of these union laws concerning private enterprises were passed back in the earlier part of the 20th Century they automatically applied to government employees also. Now that the private sector is basically non-union these government unions are the last ones remaining and are an easy target. I agree some of the penison plans are outrageous but there has been an effort to stop that out here in California. On the other hand, I would rather have a well paid policeman or firefighter or teacher secure in their positions taking care of me than some underpaid and abused worker that can be fired at the drop of a hat. Who do you want coming to your aid when you really need something important?
Teachers are very important.
You can like private unions and distrust public ones I get that. But what is really happening is that the United States is becoming a place where only a government job is secure. We are becoming more like the developing world where the general populace distrusts public employees because they have all the decent jobs...I can understand the way you feel but I think it is sign of the decline in the economic power of the United States. Back in the 1980s and 1990s we would not even be thinking of these issues.
If the public unions go Finnbow there are really no unions left except for the car industry perhaps.
If you think I am off the mark about this just look at the benefits you get for joining the Army....try to find anything like that in the private sector now for an entry level position. The Army isn't union of course but is one of the better jobs now.

Over last year in gross sales, and my margins are up too :D [edit: that means I'm screwing people more lol]

Ice, I suppose it's different in high cost areas, but think about your monthly bills now vs then. Not the dollar amount, but the actual number of bills. And we do have tons more stuff.

Heck look for a chart showing average SF of houses over the years. I don't have time right now but it's mind-boggling.

Pete

Log off and get back to work, you slacker.

Yes sir ;)

Pete

Florence was managing a 7000 sq ft dress shop when we met. Putting in a 100 or more hour week was not unusual. Shortly after we were marriied she asked me what I thought of the company she was working for. I said they work you too hard and don't pay overtime because you are management. I think you should tell them where to stick their job. She did, and only ever went temping for pocket money on our overseas trips. Labour laws? We ain't got no steenkin labour laws. That's why all the employes in that department were only too happy to say "Ciao Chao" when that Repub twit left.

We may have Ipads...but I fear it will be much harder for our kids to buy single family homes like before....we will have to pass them down from generation to generation. I hope I am wrong Pete

I read it different Pat for what it's worth. Wisconsan's were plenty pissed at what they perceived as outside interference in their choice of governance. All of the bad press directed towards a nice level headed population was another sign of how corrosive big money has become in our elections. Wisconsans didn't deserve all that negative publicity and had there not been such a huge pile of advertising advocating retention of the Governor sent their way I have to believe they would have sent the Walker packing. He clearly overstepped but he is their duly elected officeholder. So they circled the wagons against both sides meddling in their affairs. That's how I see it.
Even if I'm just a underachieving construction puke it is clear to me. It's a sad state of affairs when our government is for sale to the highest bidder.:(

According to exit interviews many people felt recall should be reserved for things more serious than merely being an asshole.

Yes, like breaking laws which the asshole may have done.

So, when it becomes "has done" vs "may have done" then start the recall.

I agree, the movement to recall walker was powerful, but stupid. I believe there has only been three recall elections of a Governor; in the history of this country.

"North Dakota kicked out Gov. Lynn Frazier in 1921, and California got rid of Gov. Gray Davis in 2003, according to the Center on the American Governor at Rutgers University's Eagleton Institute of Politics." (Source CNN) Walker was the third and it failed. I am not surprised.

The Senators are a different story. People view them differently. Don't know why. I am very surprised it succeeded. People were pissed, but not willing to recall Walker. That is what elections are for.

The lesson the GOPers should take away from it is that this was not a referendum on dismantling labor. It apears to me as a great big stinkin' fart in church. Both sides wasted a lot of coin in their endeavors for naught. The Dems may have delayed him till Nov. only but delayed he is. I think Wisconsans may have dimmer view of the people in their Legislature this Nov. Is there any chance of holding onto their majority?

Some good news Johnson & Johnson has dropped ALEC, now we need to get AT&T to wise up.

I do indeed believe that, for the most part, it was a referendum on dismantling public sector unions. In that union participation by the public sector is 4X higher than the private sector, it became an existential threat to the Dems. However, I'm not sure it's a winning hand for them to be in the back pocket of public sector unions.

Walker won, but squeaked by. Barely a referendum and hardly a mandate of any sort. I believe this is what Bob is pointing out. Politicians are quick to point out victory and claim a mandate, when they should really bear in mind that they nearly lost and should proceed with caution.

See what I'm sayin'?

Dave

That is good news.

Exactly my point.

Not so sure it is "in the back pocket" as what public servant in his/her right mind would vote for the union buster repubs? Might just as well stand in front of a speeding train.

How's the weather in the mid Atlantic region? I've seen a news report or two claiming 90+ degrees with high humidity.
I sure don't miss that humidity.
Back in the old days when we were nailing shingles for a living right in Finn's neighborhood (Damascus, Gaithersburg) we would bail out to Dickerson Quarry around 11AM and go swimming for some relief. Just floating around with the little sunfish trying to nibble at you. Kinda like a Ray Bradbury story with cute hippie gals skinny dipping thrown in!:)
Fun summer afternoons and the world seemed a lot less crazy in the early '70s. Nixon's ass was in hot water, Agnew was toast already!:)
Drinkin' Rolling Rock ponies and a enjoying a fat dube and diving down into some cool clear water and just suspending 20 feet down looking up and enjoying the view.:D The good ol' days.

I think we're twin sons of different mothers.;)

Just heard today that Dell has given ALEC the heave ho as well.:rolleyes:

Some cooler and dryer today Bob, but the last three days had the heat index over 100.

So the Roberts court says Montana cannot ban corporate spending in elections,
so much for states rights. If further proof was needed that the five corporatist
justices have been bought outright there you have it.

And, that's the Crux of the Biscuit. Corporatism = Fascism. Montana woke up and wanted to do the right thing.....The rightwing coporate machine crushed the effort. ----"NO, YOU WILL COMPLY!!!!!"

dAVE

In terms with agreeing with their own precedent, the SCOTUS ruled properly. Montana's view was that because of unsavory corporate influence over 100 years ago there, they should be able to ignore Citzens United. I don't (and the SCOTUS) didn't agree with a look-back of a century to justify Montana's action. That said, Citizens United sucks for all 50 states, but it is a Federal issue.

I had the same thought myself. Although I am a bit younger than yous guys.

Bob paints such a beautiful picture of life as it should be.

Monster storm a brewin', he me laddies! Got the Mighty BlueStreak in the garage. Time to batten down th ehatches and pop a cold one.

Rock On, my Brothers!!!!

Dave