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finnbow 06-16-2012 01:50 PM

GOP reaction to Obama's immigration policy
 
It's kinda humorous watching Romney and the GOP's reaction to Obama's newly announced policy on immigrant children. Their reaction? Why did he do it now when he could have done it three years ago? No criticism of the policy itself, but bemoaning that it wasn't done sooner? WTF?:confused:

This is coming from the same folks who blocked their own President's (Dubya's) efforts at comprehensive immigration reform. What a bunch of disingenuous jagoffs.

BlueStreak 06-16-2012 02:31 PM

Right.

Tomorrow, they'll complain about the policy itself, after crying that he hadn't done it sooner. I see you've noticed the GOP modus operundi.

Dave

bobabode 06-16-2012 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 107698)
Right.

Tomorrow, they'll complain about the policy itself, after crying that he hadn't done it sooner. I see you've noticed the GOP modus operundi.

Dave

They've already been rolling the turd of protecting 'Merican jobs from these young people and schoolkids who are hellbent on stealing our high paying lawncare special-ist jobs. WTF?

Of course they are calling it political grandstanding and an insult to our newly minted citizens, that sentiment came out of Rumballs mouth already. Gotta say any latino/latina voter who was on the fence about who to vote for this November is now firmly focused on the election and certainly not voting for Romney. I've conducted my own poll and it's 100% for Obama so far with a deep dislike of the Republicans who have stymied any resolution of this issue.;)

merrylander 06-17-2012 07:12 AM

Saw Sennsenbrenner crying and moaning about jobs on the Newshour. What is it with Wisconson? Something in the water?

Rex E. 06-17-2012 11:19 AM

As long as they are not granting a "leg up" to them in the citizen race. That would be very unfair to all those that are spending the thousands and thousands of dollars and taking the years it takes to become legal citizens.

icenine 06-17-2012 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 107805)
As long as they are not granting a "leg up" to them in the citizen race. That would be very unfair to all those that are spending the thousands and thousands of dollars and taking the years it takes to become legal citizens.

And dying while waiting for approval...the economic pull of the United States is so vast that people in places close to United States will naturally come here illegally, especially as in the case of Latin America there is a natural push factor because of the poor economic countries there. You do not think the immigrants coming here illegally know that it takes money and years to get here? They are way more concerned about making money and sending it back home so their families there can survive.
My wife is from the Philippines...to petition a brother or sister it would take years to get them here and most would die before getting approval, or be so old it would not be worth the trouble to come.
These kids did not come here on their own volition they were brought by mom and dad. And they are a resource whether you believe it or not. Who knows one of them may find the cure for cancer you can never tell. When I see these people at the storefronts with their anti-dream act petitions I want to go up to them and say ok....do you want dumb people to run the country some day or do you want smart people to run it....think about it. These immigrants and their children are our future and there is not much you can do to change it.

djv8ga 06-17-2012 07:01 PM

Marxist.

Boreas 06-17-2012 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 107857)
Marxist.

Know Nothing.

bobabode 06-17-2012 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 107857)
Marxist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 107858)
Know Nothing.

Heh,heh. I think he got ya DJ. Right between the eyes.;)

bhunter 06-18-2012 10:08 AM

That was a nice elegant political move by Obama's team IMHO. The GOP should have done something before this to counter this predictable move by Obama.

Zeke 06-18-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 107917)
That was a nice elegant political move by Obama's team IMHO. The GOP should have done something before this to counter this predictable move by Obama.

Well, they could be obstructionist and call it s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-m.

Keeping the pattern alive and all... :rolleyes:

finnbow 06-18-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 107917)
That was a nice elegant political move by Obama's team IMHO. The GOP should have done something before this to counter this predictable move by Obama.

It was, at least partially, an action that took the wind out of Rubio's forthcoming Dream Act Lite proposal. It has left Romney completely flat-footed.

finnbow 06-19-2012 01:34 PM

And now in response to Obama's favorability among Latinos, the RNC's Latino Site features a stock photo of Asian children. Well did, doofuses.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...asian-children

Boreas 06-19-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108122)
And now in response to Obama's favorability among Latinos, the RNC's Latino Site features a stock photo of Asian children. Well did, doofuses.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...asian-children

I know. I heard about that.

Asian, Latino, whatever! What's the diff?

These guys are pathetic.

John

d-ray657 06-19-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 107917)
That was a nice elegant political move by Obama's team IMHO. The GOP should have done something before this to counter this predictable move by Obama.

Geez, BH, haven't you been paying attention? Obama and his folks can't do anything right. He's an idiot and a Marxist. Even a back-handed compliment is not sufficiently doctrinaire. Get your act together. :rolleyes:

Uh, by the way, good point.

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow 06-19-2012 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 107917)
That was a nice elegant political move by Obama's team IMHO. The GOP should have done something before this to counter this predictable move by Obama.

Dubya tried and got his ass handed to him by the Talk Radio/Faux News wing of the party. With that as a backdrop, Romney doubled down on anti-immigrant rhetoric in the primaries (i.e., self-deporting, vetoing the Dream Act). The GOP has made their bed in this area. Now they're sleeping in it.

icenine 06-19-2012 04:33 PM

Do not worry Romney really staked out his position on a bunch of issues on Face The Nation so clearly....his campaign slogan should be "We Will Cross That Bridge When We Come To It". The man cannot take a stand on any issue partly because he is afraid of the Suicide Party....and partly because he has really no ideological center other than he is bored and wants to be President.

finnbow 06-19-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 108163)
Do not worry Romney really staked out his position on a bunch of issues on Face The Nation so clearly....his campaign slogan should be "We Will Cross That Bridge When We Come To It". The man cannot take a stand on any issue partly because he is afraid of the Suicide Party....and partly because he has really no ideological center other than he is bored and wants to be President.

In a bizarre sort of way, that's about the only thing I find appealing about the Mittster. I'm so feckin' tired of the ideological extremes of both parties (though more tired of the GOP), that I may be ready for a technocrat completely devoid of ideology. Somebody who can make the trains run on time, as it were.

d-ray657 06-19-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108164)
In a bizarre sort of way, that's about the only thing I find appealing about the Mittster. I'm so feckin' tired of the ideological extremes of both parties (though more tired of the GOP), that I may be ready for a technocrat completely devoid of ideology. Somebody who can make the trains run on time, as it were.

Problem there, however, is that without any convictions he wouldn't stand up to the extremists who have taken over the party.

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow 06-19-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 108171)
Problem there, however, is that without any convictions he wouldn't stand up to the extremists who have taken over the party.

Regards,

D-Ray

You're most certainly correct to this point. But thus far, the whole thing is just a kabuki dance anyway. A campaign has little or nothing to the subsequent administration. Dubya was supposed to be humble in foreign policy and compassionate in domestic affairs. Similarly, Obama was supposed to close Gitmo, prosecute terrorist in Federal courts, etc. How'd that work out?

Given his tin ear, I think Romney may be willing/able to ignore the right wing of his party. I'm not yet sure if I want to bet on it, however. He hasn't yet had his Sistah Souljah moment after all.

HatchetJack 06-19-2012 06:25 PM

Ok so where is this headed? Ketchup prices gonna be cheaper now or do
we borrow more money from china to feed the little runts.

Boreas 06-19-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108174)
Dubya was supposed to be humble in foreign policy and compassionate in domestic affairs. Similarly, Obama was supposed to close Gitmo, prosecute terrorist in Federal courts, etc. How'd that work out?

An important difference here is that Obama tried to keep those promises and Bush never even gave them a thought.

John

finnbow 06-19-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 108184)
An important difference here is that Obama tried to keep those promises and Bush never even gave them a thought.

John

Quite true, but they both illustrate that campaign promises do not portend results.

bobabode 06-19-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 108184)
An important difference here is that Obama tried to keep those promises and Bush never even gave them a thought.

John

Talk about an uphill row to hoe. Whew! Congress has simply stymied every chance of Obama's policy changes getting cleared, funded or what have you thru their partisan little fingers. Over and over the howls of false equivalence are bandied about as proof that the Prez is a duplicitous, scheming son of a bitch. It's not only outrageous to lay the blame at Obama's door it really leaves me despairing of seeing anything meaningful to discuss here.
For sure campaign promises are to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Compromise always results in less than what you wanted or expected but to equate Obama's record with any other President ignores the faithless and destructive efforts being used by the GOP. There has never been a congress who has stooped so low, never in our history.
Filibuster, filibuster , filibuster is their mantra. Except when they hold the budget hostage and threaten to shut down the government. Look where that got us. A downgrade in our reputation in the bond market? Does anyone remember that one? Man, I'm so tired of trying to defend the Prez against these wacked out accusations. Look to congress for your bogeymen 'cause that's where they reside , not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

finnbow 06-19-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 108193)
Talk about an uphill row to hoe. Whew! Congress has simply stymied every chance of Obama's policy changes getting cleared, funded or what have you thru their partisan little fingers. Over and over the howls of false equivalence are bandied about as proof that the Prez is a duplicitous, scheming son of a bitch. It's not only outrageous to lay the blame at Obama's door it really leaves me despairing of seeing anything meaningful to discuss here....

While I understand your frustration/anger, the GOP is doing it because they can. And why can they? Because the Dem's are so friggin' incompetent when it comes to messaging to the masses. They have ceded the messaging war almost completely to the GOP.

If the House GOP members didn't have support in their home districts (derived in part from their successful messaging), they would be incapable of these antics.

HatchetJack 06-19-2012 08:37 PM

Wait a minute, how old are these "children" ?

djv8ga 06-19-2012 08:44 PM

If the Left would have agreed to fix the border, this would have been passed by every righty.

finnbow 06-19-2012 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 108205)
If the Left would have agreed to fix the border, this would have been passed by every righty.

It's more fixed now than it has ever been. This "fix the border first" canard from the GOP is just to obfuscate the fact that they want to guarantee employers a source of cheap labor. Sad, but true.

djv8ga 06-19-2012 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108208)
It's more fixed now than it has ever been. This "fix the border first" canard from the GOP is just to obfuscate the fact that they want to guarantee employers a source of cheap labor. Sad, but true.

I spend A LOT of time & money down there.
No it isn't! With all do respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

finnbow 06-19-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108208)
It's more fixed now than it has ever been.

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 108210)
I spend A LOT of time & money down there.
No it isn't! With all do respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Au contraire, mon ami.

http://americasvoiceonline.org/resea...ue_to_skyrock/

d-ray657 06-19-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HatchetJack (Post 108202)
Wait a minute, how old are these "children" ?

It's not as much how old they are now, but how old they were when they were brought here.

Regards,

D-Ray

bobabode 06-20-2012 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108212)

Save your breath Finn, DJ's favorite hobby is dressing up in camo and chasing illegals all over the landscape at night. Minute man is what all the girls say...:eek:

bhunter 06-20-2012 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 108193)
Talk about an uphill row to hoe. Whew! Congress has simply stymied every chance of Obama's policy changes getting cleared, funded or what have you thru their partisan little fingers. Over and over the howls of false equivalence are bandied about as proof that the Prez is a duplicitous, scheming son of a bitch. It's not only outrageous to lay the blame at Obama's door it really leaves me despairing of seeing anything meaningful to discuss here.
For sure campaign promises are to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Compromise always results in less than what you wanted or expected but to equate Obama's record with any other President ignores the faithless and destructive efforts being used by the GOP. There has never been a congress who has stooped so low, never in our history.
Filibuster, filibuster , filibuster is their mantra. Except when they hold the budget hostage and threaten to shut down the government. Look where that got us. A downgrade in our reputation in the bond market? Does anyone remember that one? Man, I'm so tired of trying to defend the Prez against these wacked out accusations. Look to congress for your bogeymen 'cause that's where they reside , not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

A cloture and a filibuster are distinct but yet I've notice clotures being used as a measure of filibusters.

Quote:

In the 2007–08 session of Congress, there were 112 cloture votes[23] and some have used this number to argue an increase in the number of filibusters occurring in recent times. However, the Senate leadership has increasingly utilized cloture as a routine tool to manage the flow of business, even in the absence of any apparent filibuster. For these reasons, the presence or absence of cloture attempts cannot be taken as a reliable guide to the presence or absence of a filibuster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibus..._States_Senate


Here's a couple of graphs of the fillibuster over recent Congresses. Aside from the record 110th, I don't see much difference between the parties.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...y_congress.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...1_congress.jpg
http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.co...libusters.html

The numbers from an alternate source:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...oture-Data.png

BlueStreak 06-20-2012 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HatchetJack (Post 108182)
Ok so where is this headed? Ketchup prices gonna be cheaper now or do
we borrow more money from china to feed the little runts.

We send them to school and teach them how to feed themselves, and generate more revenue for the Capitalist system. Kinda like we did with the Irish, Italians, Germans, Czechs, Poles, Slavs...................

Dave

BlueStreak 06-20-2012 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108174)
Given his tin ear, I think Romney may be willing/able to ignore the right wing of his party. I'm not yet sure if I want to bet on it, however. He hasn't yet had his Sistah Souljah moment after all.

Well, we've already seen that they are more than willing to overlook his constant lying, hypocritical BS and support him despite their very visible distaste for the flip-flopping douchebag.....

What makes you think it would be any different during a Romney Presidency?:confused:

Dave

piece-itpete 06-20-2012 07:51 AM

Booohoohoo, the mean GOP won't play by Obama's rules. :rolleyes: He's done precious little. He promised the moon, remember - so when the chickens come home (came home? ;)) to roost it's his own fault.

Bush got the Dems to do what he wanted. Why? Because the people believed it was right, not because the Congressional Dems were idiots. So if Obama can't get them to do it, it stands to reason that....

When Bush/McCain put forth a pragmatic immigration reform proposal it was demagogued to death by BOTH sides.

Pete

BlueStreak 06-20-2012 07:59 AM

Ooooooooo.....

Is that a sensitive nerve I touched?

Dave

wgrr 06-20-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 108154)
Dubya tried and got his ass handed to him by the Talk Radio/Faux News wing of the party. With that as a backdrop, Romney doubled down on anti-immigrant rhetoric in the primaries (i.e., self-deporting, vetoing the Dream Act). The GOP has made their bed in this area. Now they're sleeping in it.

I knew if I read further into the thread that I would not need to double post.

+1

merrylander 06-20-2012 08:14 AM

So we educated them, some even managed to put themselves through university, some would send all that talent back to a country these young people barely remember if at all. That does not strike me as being very smart.

bobabode 06-20-2012 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 108240)
Booohoohoo, the mean GOP won't play by Obama's rules. :rolleyes: He's done precious little. He promised the moon, remember - so when the chickens come home (came home? ;)) to roost it's his own fault.

Bush got the Dems to do what he wanted. Why? Because the people believed it was right, not because the Congressional Dems were idiots. So if Obama can't get them to do it, it stands to reason that....


Pete

Boohoo ? The Gopers play by rules? Precious little has been accomplished due to the Senate blocking any and everything that the Dems float. If the Prez expresses support, it's stillborn. Wasn't it Newt that promised the moon?:rolleyes:

I would say that outright lying got the Dems to back some of Shrubs BS, so there!:p


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