Getting Rid of Holder
 

Obama must be in deep with this Fast & Furious scandal because he would otherwise have already cut Holder loose to take whatever political gain he could from doing so before the whole scandal brings down his campaign.

Despite Obama's arrogance and general detachment from reality (in terms of recognizing his own growing unpopularity) his reasons for keeping Holder around right now cannot be simply that he thinks he's safe from this and wants Holder to carry on his work while believing that the upside of getting rid of him isn't worth the upside of keeping him around. No Obama and his people are well aware of the mess Holder has gotten himself into and of the risk of that causing some serious trouble for his re-election bid. So why keep him around... because knowledge about F&F goes all the way to the top. Obama figured he could blow this off like everything else and that Holder would be able to squeak by like he seems to have thus far in spite of his increasingly outragious behaviour on the part of an attorney general. No, Obama's deep in it this time and the admin knows they're in trouble. Their current strategy of stonewalling (through Holder) until the election is over isn't going to work. Obama has already invoked Executive Priviledge to keep Kevin ' O'Rielly from testifying because of course he can tie the president directly to F&F.

His hand may be forced soon. I'm sure he was hoping he could keep the lid on this thing until right before the election and then feigning shock and outrage, cut Holder loose with just enough time to get through the election without an F&F meltdown... but the returns on that gamble are diminshing quickly.

We'll see what type of squirming they do in the coming weeks... in the meantime even the liberal news media cannot ignore the downfall of the AG and people are going to start tuning in to a scandal and coverup which is ineed big enough to bring down a president.

I like keeping Holder around, just to piss off the wingnuts.

Regards,

D-Ray

It is lots o' fun, isn't it?

Dave

Where's your evidence for any of this? Just more right wing masturbation. Make sure you clean up your mess.

John

I don't think Fast & Furious was really anything novel in the annals of Federal law enforcement. Stings, some bordering on entrapment, are common. The only difference is the Border Patrol fellow was killed, thereby giving the Right something to rally behind.

So F&F wasn't a ploy to 'prove' those giant wealthy cartels in Mexico buy their automatics from Mom and Pops Happy Corner Gun Store in the evil triggerhappy US of A?

Squirm Holder :p

Pete

I suppose you'd need to ask Dubya and his AG at the time. It started under him.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...urious-tactics

Yes indeedy, a very small project that didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps to show they don't, my take. They buy containers off the world weapons market.

Edit: ah, they were targeting a specific group.

Pete

There is a ton of evidence already despite the Dept of Justice holding back everything they thought would be really incriminating. Holder has been proved to be lying during testimony on some of the evidence he's provided already and now these wiretaps are showing what kind of evidence is likely being held back... evidence which exposes the extent of the cover-up here and not only shows Holder to be completely lying his ass off, but surely could expose the president as having given the ultimate order for the F&F gunwalking which resulted in this border agent being killed with weapons put in the hands of criminals by the US government.


The cover-up being basically handled very clumsily and obviously through the attorney general has certainly made this worse. The degree to which they have been uncooperative serves to underscore this admins attitude towards due process and respect for their respective offices and the American public. Now they are deep into a sea of lies and the president doesn't come out looking good no matter which way this turns now. Continued stonewalling is really their only choice now, but more evidence (like the wiretaps) is going to start coming out now as people are becoming extremely fed up and this goes beyind politics. A smart and less aloof admin would have had Holder take the fall a year ago and try to get the buck to stop there in hopes that they might have been able to head off an investigation which got far beyond the AG. It would seem that they deemed containing this would be impossible as the links to the president couldn't be covered up simply by having Holder take the blame here.

Who knows what they are really thinking.. for the samrtest liberal to ever live, this Obama has himself leading a three ring circus of bumbling idiots who haven't even learned that telling the truth and taking your medicine early is surely the only way to go... unless you've been very, very, very bad... enough so that the consequences spell your end.

I see. The evidence is because Mezz says so. We don't need any legitimate sources.

Regards,

D-Ray

Oops. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Remember?

From what I saw of yesterdays hearing Darrel Issa was grandstanding and rude. Holder had to be thinking what a ignorant arrogant Ahole was sitting up there asking questions.



Barney

Another view of it is that the GOP is just looking for something that the average simple-minded American can comprehend - the Border Agent was killed with a gun that derived from the F&F program.

It could have just as easily happened under Dubya or happened with a non-F&F firearm. I think it also has something to do with the NRA and their Congressional minions trying to focus on a case where efforts to control firearms flow backfired. They'll use this as ammunition to fight any further firearms control efforts.

You've been sucked in, Mezz.

Although the comparison isn't exactly true, even if it was, it's not much of a defense... but it is of course used repeatedly by the left.

Obama: "The guy I've painted as the most lying, most evil, most incompetent president we've ever had (and who I've blamed all of my woes on thus far) did it, so it should be ok if I do it too".

Come on.

After year and a half of facing Holder's shenannigans, I don't think too many people are blaming Issa for bring a little bit pissed off.

Apparently, you'd like us to think you do.

John

This has teeth now. Presidents don't go down for making mistakes, they go down for lying about them.

This stuff is mouse clicks away. Try googling "Fast and Furious" and watch some the videos of the hearings in congress.

So copy and paste the link otherwise your extremely biassed opinions are all you've got and not worthy of a bucket full of warm spit. Sorry I meant shit.:rolleyes:

Which particular point of evidence or Holder's bumbling would you like to see? I can't believe you guys need such handholding to do an interent video search... just get your secretaries to do it like everyone else does... (or is this, as I suspect, just part of the normal liberal song and dance to build a case for denial).

I'm not going to spoon feed it to you. You're much more likely to swallow if you feed yourselves.

When you don't have the facts, pound on the table. He who yells the loudest is unlikely to be right. He's just overcompensating.

Holder's OK by me. Quoting yourself makes you seem even more of a blindingly arrogant tool. You don't want to provide any supporting evidence because you don't have anything besides Faux News or the master bloviator Rush Limberger. Ya need to take yer head out of whatever bubble you've been keeping it in if you think anyone here is going to do your homework for you.

Wassa matta mezz, meds run out?

:DBam!:D

Mezz if the Liberal Republican is elected President you are still going to be you...so why are you getting all excited for?

I'm not a fan of Holder. We all know about his previous "mistakes" and the current "mistakes".

This being said Mezz may be missing the most obvious answer. Holder is not stupid, Obama knows this. Maybe Holder has let Obama know that if he goes down then the whole admin goes with him. This would put Obama's legacy right with if not surpassing Nixon's. Of all the things that could go wrong, this is the one that Obama fears the most and Holder knows it.

Don't ask for link or proof as this is my own personal speculation and is 100% hypothetical, though it is very plausible.

And if it's plausible that means it must be true!

Wow! No shortage of tinfoil around here, is there?

John

Yup, that what I said :rolleyes:

Gun sales in my state are really down since this story broke. :(
We need you Leftys to support Eric in his quest to buy up all of our ugly black rifles. :)

Darrel Issa is a criminal. No, he really is a criminal. He was arrested and convicted on illegal weapons charges.

He has been arrested numerous times for auto theft and faking the theft of his Mercedes. I can only guess that was to defraud an insurance company. Look it up it is true.

How about his warehouse fire in 1982. Fire investigators ruled that it was arson. It happened several months after Issa increased his insurance coverage from 100 grand to 400 grand. The insurance company refused to pay and it was settled out of court years later.

He finally hit it big with the Viper car alarm system. Remember the one that said "step away from the car" That was Issa's voice. I guess he went into the car alarm business to keep himself from stealing cars.

Yes, Republicans, the sanctimonious, pompous, grandstanding, hypocrite that is Darrel Issa is an arrogant asshole.

Sounds like a perfect hit man, a function he seems to relish. A despicable cur.

Let us just wait and see if no one blames Obama for anything next year, in the event Romney wins this November.:rolleyes:

You know damn well you will.

Dave

No credible links......WTF? :D

Sorry, wgrr, I could not help myself. :D

Sounds like the right guy to string up that racist POS Holder.

Pot, kettle, black.:D

Heheheheheeeee. :o Sorry DJ.:rolleyes:

Oh, here we go, playing the race card again.:rolleyes:

Tell me, is Obama a racist too?

Dave

Well yeah. He's black isn't he?;):cool:

Yeah, kinda. Although I have photographic evidence of him in close proximity to a white woman, sometime in the 1960s..........:p