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icenine 06-01-2012 11:31 AM

Government Overreach In Florida
 
How come when it is a Republican none of the right wingers get upset? Imagine if this was a Democrat governor targeting GOP voters. To be honest,
whether you are a Republican or a Democrat what is going on in Florida is sickening. Oh yeah I guess if you collect voter registration forms and do not deliver them to the appropriate office within 48 hours it is a felony charge.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/naked...ter-purge.html

Yeah all the crap about fraud, etc, just a bunch of baloney. I guess some senior citizens, veterans of World War II, are SOL even thought they fought for our nation.

Voter registration is so hard in Florida now that the League of Women Voters will not try to operate there. I guess if it is done at the State level governmental overreach is fine. States have rights right? Of course back in college my liberal American History professor would say states don't have rights only people do.

bobabode 06-01-2012 12:46 PM

The governor of Florida has the Bush / Gore election in mind doing this.
This time we should turn Holder loose on this POS state. I read that when the present governor ordered his purge of the voter rolls his secretary of state resigned along with a good portion of his staff.

:pGlobal warming can't come soon enough for this wretched state. I hope the Army Corps of Engineers is pulled out of the state of Florida entirely. Then tasked to build a fence across their entire northern border. I hear Cuba will accept refugees as long as they swim there.;):D

piece-itpete 06-01-2012 12:56 PM

You mean, most illegal aliens are foreigners? The racist horror! Agreed though they should follow law.

Have you ever suggested to your professor he might want to read our founding document?

Pete

icenine 06-01-2012 01:04 PM

My professor (if he is still alive) was an ex-Marine who taught both Civil War and Military History at college quite near you. A Korean War era veteran most likely.

piece-itpete 06-01-2012 01:07 PM

I of course respect that, but if people have rights, isn't one of them the ability to draw binding contracts?

Btw, it shows liberal bias in higher education :elbowrib: :p

Pete

icenine 06-01-2012 03:08 PM

I do not get your point...arbitrarily dislodging citizens from voting rosters based on perhaps erroneous databanks (in a not too transparent effort at enhancing the Tea Party/GOP vote) does not seem like a legal contract to me.

With the exception of people espousing gun rights, most advocates of state rights are individuals usually trying to take a way the rights of a minority faction within a state, the example of Jim Crow being probably being the best to illustrate my point. That is why we have the 14th amendment plus why our system of government is a federal one with many layers of shared power....an effort to prevent the tyranny of the majority over minorities.

There are many conservative professors by the way.

whell 06-02-2012 09:49 AM

Let's take first thing first. Does it not bother anyone that non-citizens somehow ended up classified as eligible voters in the first place? And, is your position that those ineligible voters, if purged, would have been solid Democrat votes? Hmmm..... How could that be? :rolleyes:

noonereal 06-02-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 105145)
I of course respect that, but if people have rights, isn't one of them the ability to draw binding contracts?

Btw, it shows liberal bias in higher education :elbowrib: :p

Pete

Yeah but that's because we can't find many conservatives in higher education.:p

noonereal 06-02-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 105239)
Let's take first thing first. Does it not bother anyone that non-citizens somehow ended up classified as eligible voters in the first place? And, is your position that those ineligible voters, if purged, would have been solid Democrat votes? Hmmm..... How could that be? :rolleyes:

It's crap that FL is doing this. That said, this is democracy for you. Always has been.

Weather it be Kennedy's dad sending bags of cash down south to buy an election or a brother "fixing" a state to decide an election that is our great democracy that we are constantly trying to export.

barbara 06-02-2012 10:14 AM

there are municipalities in the united states that allow non citizens that are here legally to vote, justified by the fact that they share the social burdens so they should have a say in the politics behind them.
Not that I'm advocating for that....just saying...........

wgrr 06-02-2012 10:31 AM

Governor Rick Scott is a criminal and should be in prison.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...olumbiaFlorida

He also did this:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/g...n-1350922.html

His approval rating hovers between 25% and 35%. Who voted for this worthless piece of human flesh.

It is true that Scott has taken steps to remove Democrats from the voting roles, 135,000 plus, but he broke the rules. Now he needs to be spanked, but Holder is too much of a wimp to do anything. Do you see any banksters in jail? At least Regan threw a few in jail during the S&L scandal. No Bushies though.

Look, the bottom line is Republicans cannot win elections if voter turnout is high. Their base of old Caucasians is dying off. Minorities will soon be the majority. They will never vote en masse for Republicans unless the Republicans change their tune, and I imagine they will.

If a person has half a brain you will see this pattern in other states like Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

There is nothing new about Republican suppression of the minority voter who tends to vote Democratic. The less than honorable Rehnquist was involved in vote caging blacks and hispanics in Arizona in the 60's.

http://www.google.com/search?q=rhenq...ntu&channel=fs

Click on the first link. It is a pdf file.

or just read this.

http://votingmatters.wordpress.com/2...-mccain-style/

The bottom line is voter fraud is a minuscule problem. The Bush administration, with commander turd blossom at the helm, spent five years and $100,000,000 of your tax dollars looking for illegal voters and came up with squat. Couldn't that money have been better spent on another unmanned drone?

BlueStreak 06-02-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 105239)
Let's take first thing first. Does it not bother anyone that non-citizens somehow ended up classified as eligible voters in the first place? And, is your position that those ineligible voters, if purged, would have been solid Democrat votes? Hmmm..... How could that be? :rolleyes:

The point was that some/many of the people arbitrarily purged are NOT illegal aliens or ineligible to vote.

Just admit it. Your party is as crooked as a dogs hind leg and you don't care. They play up this goody-goody uber-American Biblethumper image and they're full to their eyeballs of sanctimonius shit and always have been. The only difference between them and the Dems in this regard is that they're your team. So, whatever sneaky, underhanded crap they pull is just fine with you. Isn't it?

"Who? Us? Play dirty? How dare you! We love Jesus, the Troops and America, we would never dream of such a thing!"

Oh, Please, spare me.......:rolleyes:

merrylander 06-02-2012 10:57 AM

wgrr the reason no bankers are in jail is that Gramm & Co. pulled all the teeth out of banking rules and no one broke any laws, simply because there were no laws to break.

Morally they are as corrupt as Long John Silver but if it was against the law to be morally corrupt there would be one hell of a prison shortage.

icenine 06-02-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 105251)
The point was that some/many of the people arbitrarily purged are NOT illegal aliens or ineligible to vote.

Exactly my point thank you. In reality there are probably very few illegal immigrants registered to vote....this is just another version of the big lie "Red Scare" from the 50s being used as cover for wrong doing. If your name was on a list to be purged Whell you would be pissed off no? Ah but they have not come for you...yet. Just arbitrarily deleting registered voters from faulty lists is an assault on democracy.

wgrr 06-02-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 105252)
wgrr the reason no bankers are in jail is that Gramm & Co. pulled all the teeth out of banking rules and no one broke any laws, simply because there were no laws to break.

Morally they are as corrupt as Long John Silver but if it was against the law to be morally corrupt there would be one hell of a prison shortage.

True, but there has to be some laws against fraud. I can even see the use of the RICO laws because there was definitely racketeering and no one can deny a large amount of corruption went on. If you don't even investigate you will never know. RICO has been used in many ways. It is not just for gangsters. It can also be for banksters.

BlueStreak 06-02-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 105258)
Exactly my point thank you. In reality there are probably very few illegal immigrants registered to vote....this is just another version of the big lie "Red Scare" from the 50s being used as cover for wrong doing. If your name was on a list to be purged Whell you would be pissed off no? Ah but they have not come for you...yet. Just arbitrarily deleting registered voters from faulty lists is an assault on democracy.

Well, lord knows corporations despise democracy and a workforce (populace) with political horsepower of it's own. So, a political party that yearns to establish corporatocracy would have to find ways to render the democratic process impotent in order to serve their masters. It started with the so-called "Right to Work" laws.................;)

BlueStreak 06-02-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wgrr (Post 105260)
True, but there has to be some laws against fraud. I can even see the use of the RICO laws because there was definitely racketeering and no one can deny a large amount of corruption went on. If you don't even investigate you will never know. RICO has been used in many ways. It is not just for gangsters. It can also be for banksters.

It would also require political will in government to go after them. The Democratic Party apparently no longer has the backbone, and the GOP would rather drop to their knees in worship of them and throw tax cuts and further deregulation at them than do the sensible thing and make examples of them.

Sure, that might cause "nervousness" in the stock market and hurt the economy short term. But, in the long run, it might lead to more honest and ethical banking practices. It's the "I will walk away unscathed no matter how bad I f**k up." environment that's causing all of these problems.

The people need to demand these swine feel the crack of their masters whip. The fabled "free market" obviously isn't going to do it. But, no. We'll continue to babble on about how precious and vital these thieves are, until they pound the last nail in this countries coffin and walk away with ALL of the money.

Dave

piece-itpete 06-04-2012 09:43 AM

Backbone? It's not spine, they are just better at lying to the masses.

Pete


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