Obama's Correct
 

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Been posted before.

Regards,

D-Ray

That was then, this is now.

If you remember, Shrub was following the accepted Keynesian formula of priming the economic pump in response to the recession which he inherited from Clinton, while simultaneously attempting to protect America from a possibly enhanced 911...with the blessing of both parties.

In short, Shrub did it for all of the wrong reasons.

Unlike Obama, who continues to do it, in spades, for all of the right reasons.

Chas

But it was worth posting again, in my estimation.

Chas

That was before the economic crash Bhunter...you know the one the Republicans caused by deficit spending and tax cuts during a two-pronged invasion of the Middle East without paying for it? And now you want to fault Obama for doing what was necessary to save the economy? I am sure if it was a Republican president who saved the Big Three you would be doing cartwheels right now.

Obama's policies are primarily moderately Republican in the tradition of Clinton and Reagan. If you do not believe me look at the facts.....check your sugar you have been eating too many candy bars.

How many of obamas redistribution of wealth have worked? Like solyndra? Among others...We are not ready for alternative energy, and yet obama continues spending in those directions...

What about his bashing of Bain Capital? "look what Romney did!" At least he(Romney)used private funds. obummer continues to use your cash(your taxes) And what he "invests in goes bankrupt.

What is the reasoning behind all that?

The OP can certainly be glued on to today and it is still relevant. Only much worse.

# to 5 trillion already spent by the buffoon already? not even 4 yrs. I bet he campaigns on the hope and change slogan again. like, As if he never did.

For sure glad I didn't say anything.

See Post #3.

Chas

Give me one example of redistribution of wealth, which in the general consensus is taxing the wealthy for the benefit of the poor while at the same time generally cutting revenue collection from the poorer elements of society. We are still under the Bush era tax cuts so no redistribution has taken place in case you have not noticed.

Now if you mean he has deficit spent, or used tax payer money for bail outs, then you should base your arguments in these terms. One reason why you may only be able to afford budget audio my friend is that the redistribution that Bush made is generally only from the middle class to the wealthy.

Sorry Chas...did not mean to repeat what you said, I think the term shrub and enhanced though me off. I take issue however portraying Bush as just trying to end what was at the time a mild recession.....I know he was fighting the war on terrorism but he still should have used much more discretion and wisdom. Hindsight is 20/20 however.

Flippity, floppity, like Carp in the boat bottom;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB...eature=related

Ladies and Gentlemen I present you with the most COLOSSAL liar on the planet.

What a TOTAL P-O-S!:p

LMAO!!!

Pete

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obam...early-60-years

Certainly he aint lying. The most conservative prez ever! why is there no blanche smilie?

I cant stand the guys' state of the union address, nor hearing him talk on tv. Every thing he says is a lie.

From the article you cite:

"Assuming this White House estimate proves correct, Obama will have cut spending as a percentage of GDP by 7.5 percent in the four fiscal years that started during his term. That would put him ahead of Reagan in terms of how much he would have cut federal spending measured as percentage of GDP."

In other words, it ain't a lie.

Regards,

D-Ray

It doesn't look like the whole speech by any stretch. It's a popular tactic to lob off most of someone's stated position and run with it as a factoid to bolster their viewpoint. Or have you located those dratted Iraqi WMDs that cost so much coin and soldiers lives which have so far eluded everyone.:p

assumeing makes an ass out of me and you, and them as well:D Where can we find uncut videos of the politicians speaches without them being cut? Inquiring minds want to know? I wont sit through speech by obama. Insulting to say the least.


This isnt about party lines. Its just that i cant stand people who lie all the time. Now im not so certain romney will be better.

But at least he isnt a commie minded candidate...or will he be...not certain of that either considering his many flipflops.

You might want to identify some specific policies of Obama's that you consider to be "commie." Please identify what portions of those policies follow Marxist ideals.

Regards,

D-Ray

Look at the fact checkers.
Here is a good one on Obama's spending
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...amas-spending/

Romney flip flops checked

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...ey/statements/


Washington Post fact checks an Obama ad here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...HPlU_blog.html


You can dig around factcheck.org for stuff too:
http://www.factcheck.org/


There you go, no vids necessary. Play some tunes while you read instead. :)
Carl

Obama care is a good starter. So marxi*m at its finest? After that it invades your entire life. Pretty soon we have china in america...no gold, but we have plenty of land. Wont they need DC first. Good riddance. But bad for america. As by then we will be listening to chinese propaganda in English.

china beacause the govmint cant pay his billls

Didn't that narrative originate from the demonstrative flawed Rex Nutting article?

You would not recognize a commie if one bit you on the arse, though I would recommend he get a rabies shot first.

Is this the way you deal with your court cases? "We'll, my client assumes
what he 's saying will be correct in a year or so, so it has to be fact and therefore true, your honor"

Im not just a man, Im also an animal! "D

We deal with expert witness in court cases. Experts deal with hypothetical questions and statistical probabilities - like what was being dealt with in the article. One might question the bases of the statistical conclusions, the premises or the methodology. But a difference in opinion does not lead to the conclusion that the proponent of that opinion is a liar. The poster's premise for citing to the article was to prove that Obama was a liar about that particular point. The article shows that the point was not a lie, but that there are reasons to challenge the methodology.

Yes it is necessary to make predictions and conclusions that are not absolutely verifiable, and to show that it was reasonable to rely on those conclusions. I have been involved in cases where union leaders had to make decisions about grievance processing based on their predictions about what an arbitrator would do. They have to decide whether it is worth it to spend several thousand dollars worth of union dues to pursue a grievance. If the prediction is that the grievance is unlikely to prevail, the decision is often to not pursue the grievance.

Can the officer say with absolute certainty what the arbitrator would have ruled? Of course not! But I am able to argue and present evidence to show that the union officer was reasonable in reaching his conclusion.

Regards,

D-Ray

Do you actually believe that Obama has showed fiscal restraint? You do realize that Nutting, and Obama, cherry picked their numbers? But, yes, given Nuttings methodology, Obama can validly make his absurd claim.

Mitt has already "...restored America.". I can't wait for his mythical nation where "...everyone can be in the 1%." Man, is that gonna be awesome! I've already gotten on the waiting list for my Veyron.....Have you?:)

bluestreak, you are in the top 1 percent in the world. I know you have google. To say top one percent in america is irrelevant, as we are all connected to the entire world through commerce, and what is commerce? money!

looky here. this is what google showed me.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/09/th...-of-the-world/

Your reference is The Caller? Doesn't appear to be much especially the blog collumn you're linking to. I read down about two paragraphs and was underwhelmed by his set up and conclusions. Just more partisan crap in my opinion. That's just me, so far. It's a nonsense article in a rag filled with it.
That's the problem with taking a bloggers words as truth and nothing but and linking to it as substantiation. It doesn't pass the smell test.

I guess our wee texter does not yet realize that the internet is 5% factual, 45% conjecture and 50% bullshit.

That's ridiculous. Have you EVER been outside the United States?

From the CBO:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSg...rojections.png

Debt:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images...-debt-12-2.jpg

Pete

Looks like we shouldn't have extended the Bush tax cuts.

Better tell whoever extended them ;)

Pete

The same guy who didn't end the two wasteful wars quick enough?

So, do you think Romney would do either of these things if he should manage to purchase the Oval Office?

I'm pretty sure he'll continue to cut taxes and spend like my last girlfriend, Roz, at a shoe sale.

(What does a person with only one pair of feet need with 300 pair of shoes?:confused:)

LOL! As men we'll never know :)

Pete

One hell of a trend line, but never fear, Obama is demonstrating fiscal restraint and is attacking the entitlement issue with renewed fervor. That is, between his vacations and fund raisers with the wealthy which Bluestreak seems to dislike.

Looks to me like the line from '09 to '13 is pretty flat. Even a little dip there.

Regards,

D-Ray

That's revenue and not the trend of expenditures. Perhaps, I shouldn't have used trend line. I'm looking at the expenditures where all three are trending upward. The interest growth is particularly bad.