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bhunter 05-23-2012 05:40 AM

Limiting Choices
 
The king size Snickers candy bar will no longer be available due largely to Michelle Obama and other meddling progressives. Why do these people think that people can't make their own choices? That candy bar exists because people want it to exist. Is there any area that they'll leave unscarred by their wanton disregard for freedom and choice?

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Mars Inc., the manufacturer of Snickers, is phasing out chocolate products that exceed 250 calories per portion as part of an agreement with Partnership for a Healthier America (PHA). Founded in 2010 in conjunction with the Let’s Move! program, First Lady Michelle Obama’s government initiative aimed at shaping up the nation’s youth, PHA has a mandate to “monitor and publicly report on the progress” of partners such as Mars and, more generally, to “make the healthy choice the easy choice.” Call it “yes, we can’t!” progressivism, observes Greg Beato. Under the mantle of “choice,” Mars and the PHA are eliminating consumer options.

barbara 05-23-2012 06:03 AM

Candy bars are not a crucial issue in my opinion. But, letting people make their own choices when it comes to legally marrying another consenting adult would be nice.

merrylander 05-23-2012 07:01 AM

The only disadvantage to it that I see is that it spoils the chances of peage. The way things are going is that the Pentagon would be unable to find anyone fit enough to recruit.:rolleyes:

mezz 05-23-2012 07:23 AM

I thought these people wanted a "chocolate" America.

piece-itpete 05-23-2012 07:43 AM

My king size bars! :grr:

Well, at least I can still use a segway to get from the couch to the refrigerator. For quarts of premium ice cream.

Pete

bobabode 05-23-2012 07:58 AM

Just buy a box of 'em BH. This thread epitomizes the scraping of the bottom of the barrel.:rolleyes:

finnbow 05-23-2012 09:55 AM

Nobody should eat any of that crap anyway. A 250 calorie bar is still 250 calories too big, IMHO.

whell 05-23-2012 10:30 AM

I suspect the folks at Mars Candy realize that the individuals who used to buy the one big Snickers bar will now buy two smaller Snickers bars instead, and thus pay Mars more for the same amount of product.

CarlV 05-23-2012 11:16 AM

I read that they will replace the big bars with a 4 pack, "so people can share". :D


Carl

noonereal 05-23-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 103549)
The king size Snickers candy bar will no longer be available due largely to Michelle Obama and other meddling progressives. Why do these people think that people can't make their own choices? That candy bar exists because people want it to exist. Is there any area that they'll leave unscarred by their wanton disregard for freedom and choice?

I know nothing about this but I am willing to wager this decision was based solely on what was most profitable for the company.


Spin away however.

noonereal 05-23-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 103606)
I read that they will replace the big bars with a 4 pack, "so people can share". :D


Carl

Interesting.

So they changed the packaging, got good press and will be selling more candy than ever in one package.


This now makes perfect sense now. The OP missed this obviously.

icenine 05-23-2012 11:59 AM

This must be the overreach all the Tea Party people are so upset about....I hate to see how mad they will get when Ryan reduces Medicare coverage....

piece-itpete 05-23-2012 12:13 PM

Whoa, the left really thinks Michelle is ineffective at best, covering for big business at worst?

Pete

CarlV 05-23-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 103617)
Interesting.

So they changed the packaging, got good press and will be selling more candy than ever in one package.


This now makes perfect sense now. The OP missed this obviously.

Ready to say goodbye to a sliver of your Snickers? And how about a slightly slimmer Mars bar? By the end of 2013, chocolate-maker Mars says all of its chocolate bars will be under — or right at — the 250-calorie mark.

The 2-ounce Snickers currently sold in our NPR vending machine has 280 calories, and with the downsize it will lose about 11 percent of its size. The fun-size and the king-size bars currently range from 70 to 540 calories, which means the new 250-calorie limit spells the end of the king-size bar.

The company tells The Salt it will be replaced with bags of two or four smaller bars. The idea is to "enable sharing or saving a portion for later," according to a Mars spokesperson.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...y-bars-in-2013

Well, I was close, save a portion for later lol.


Carl

d-ray657 05-23-2012 12:21 PM

It seems to me that the candy company freely made a choice to alter its product line.

Regards,

D-Ray

noonereal 05-23-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 103624)
Ready to say goodbye to a sliver of your Snickers? And how about a slightly slimmer Mars bar? By the end of 2013, chocolate-maker Mars says all of its chocolate bars will be under — or right at — the 250-calorie mark.

The 2-ounce Snickers currently sold in our NPR vending machine has 280 calories, and with the downsize it will lose about 11 percent of its size. The fun-size and the king-size bars currently range from 70 to 540 calories, which means the new 250-calorie limit spells the end of the king-size bar.

The company tells The Salt it will be replaced with bags of two or four smaller bars. The idea is to "enable sharing or saving a portion for later," according to a Mars spokesperson.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...y-bars-in-2013

Well, I was close, save a portion for later lol.


Carl

Going from 280 to 250 calories sounds like a price increase to me. A well disguised price increase.

d-ray657 05-23-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 103627)
Going from 280 to 250 sounds like a price increase to me. A well disguised price increase.

Yeah, remember the one pound cans of coffee? :(

Regards,

D-Ray

piece-itpete 05-23-2012 12:34 PM

There's a slogan! :)

I don't mind 1st ladies doing things like this. I remember Nancys' 'Just Say No' thing, mostly because, when trying to pass various things, a friend at the time would get an earnest serious look on his face and say, 'Just Say Yes' :D

Pete

wgrr 05-23-2012 02:26 PM

No one forced Mars to do anything. They made a decision that will, in the end, result in bigger profits. At the same time they get a lot of free publicity and advertising, some from the outraged as evidenced here, and some from folks who agree with the program. Mars wins either way.

I can't believe I am posting about a fricking candy bar.

wgrr 05-23-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 103630)
There's a slogan! :)

I don't mind 1st ladies doing things like this. I remember Nancys' 'Just Say No' thing, mostly because, when trying to pass various things, a friend at the time would get an earnest serious look on his face and say, 'Just Say Yes' :D

Pete

The "Just Say No" campaign which started the war on drugs has done a hell of a lot more damage to this country than the First Ladies attempts to get kids and adults to eat healthier.

bhunter 05-23-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 103617)
Interesting.

So they changed the packaging, got good press and will be selling more candy than ever in one package.


This now makes perfect sense now. The OP missed this obviously.

No, I didn't miss it. The people that will pay are the consumers. Though here there is no direct legislation, the implied threat and negative publicity by Michelle Obama certainly had an effect. Interestingly, portion shrinkage serves as a good cover for the inflation caused by so-called quantitative easing.

bhunter 05-23-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 103626)
It seems to me that the candy company freely made a choice to alter its product line.

Regards,

D-Ray

That depends on what your definition of "freely" is.

bhunter 05-23-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 103571)
Just buy a box of 'em BH. This thread epitomizes the scraping of the bottom of the barrel.:rolleyes:

I concur. It demonstrates just how far the federal government progressives will go in the name of protecting individuals from themselves while eliminating the free choice of something as simple as a candy bar. How'd they arrive at 250 calorie portions? If 250 is good, then why not go for 125. Ultimately, consumers will pay more for their candy because of these tacitly compelled changes.

icenine 05-23-2012 03:44 PM

Rugged individualism done in by a candy bar....

noonereal 05-23-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 103678)
No, I didn't miss it. The people that will pay are the consumers. Though here there is no direct legislation, the implied threat and negative publicity by Michelle Obama certainly had an effect. Interestingly, portion shrinkage serves as a good cover for the inflation caused by so-called quantitative easing.

I can't quite understand why you are upset by this? Someone in the free market/free country launched a campaign to help people become healthier.

What is the rub you perceive? I just can't seem to understand your gripe.

This company is as free to sell whatever it's cares to as it was before this educational campaign.

:confused:

bobabode 05-23-2012 04:27 PM

This thread reminds me of my yuppy conservative neighbor who loudly bitched that the community volunteer day the HOA sponsored here was compulsory and an insult to the membership. GASP!!

All we did was a little minor landscaping updates. There were 8 people that showed up for a couple of hours of light work and free hot dogs and lemonade. We even ensnared a couple of renters in our subversive and lefty leaning endeavors. I grilled the dogs and managed to score exactly zero converts to my commie inspired mission to destroy modern civilization.:rolleyes:

I'll refrain from any strawman comments although to clarify my expression that this thread is scraping the bottom of the barrel, the barrel I was refering to was the anti President Obama one not rhe First Lady's endeavor to reverse the trend in this country towards supersizing everything including ourselves.:p

So much for voluntarily trying to do the right thing.:rolleyes:

icenine 05-23-2012 04:42 PM

I guess it is sort of annoying to have to get up and get THE OTHER chocolate bar while reading Atlas Shrugged....

Charles 05-23-2012 04:49 PM

Doesn't this country have more pressing problems than fucking candy bars?

Chas

d-ray657 05-23-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 103703)
Doesn't this country have more pressing problems than fucking candy bars?

Chas

I've never tried that but it sounds messy.

Regards,

D-Ray

Zeke 05-23-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 103704)
I've never tried that but it sounds messy.

Regards,

D-Ray

I prefer Mounds over Almond Joy. :D

Actually, I am a significant fan of huge, young, gravity-defying... Uh, nevermind.

noonereal 05-23-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 103703)
Doesn't this country have more pressing problems than fucking candy bars?

Chas

Wow, I read your last few posts and you are not a happy camper tonight.

I hope things are OK for ya.

Sincerely, ed

Rex E. 05-23-2012 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 103703)
Doesn't this country have more pressing problems than fucking candy bars?

Chas

Yes...What the hell happened to the half gallon of ice cream......I'm calling bullshit on this one.......;)

BlueStreak 05-24-2012 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 103549)
The king size Snickers candy bar will no longer be available due largely to Michelle Obama and other meddling progressives. Why do these people think that people can't make their own choices? That candy bar exists because people want it to exist. Is there any area that they'll leave unscarred by their wanton disregard for freedom and choice?

Isn't it obvious? Look around you.

Because America is a nation full of unhealthy fat f**ks, running up the healthcare costs, who obviously cannot make their own choices responsibly. I should know....I'm one of them.

How many people do you know, who didn't quit smoking until Clinton fined the shit out of the tobacco companies, driving the price of smokes to $5-$6 a pack? (And, some of them would still miss a bill payment rather than give up the nicotine.)

If Americans lose these "freedoms" it will be because they have demonstrated their inability to handle them.

Okay, lob your hate grenades at me for being brazen enough to speak the ugly truth. (Even at my own expense.) I've grown used to it.

BlueStreak 05-24-2012 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 103681)
Rugged individualism done in by a candy bar....

Amazingly simple, isn't it? The rough and tumble rugged individualists whose apple carts are knocked over by the slightest breeze............:rolleyes:

bhunter 05-24-2012 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 103761)
Isn't it obvious? Look around you.

Because America is a nation full of unhealthy fat f**ks, running up the healthcare costs, who obviously cannot make their own choices responsibly. I should know....I'm one of them.

How many people do you know, who didn't quit smoking until Clinton fined the shit out of the tobacco companies, driving the price of smokes to $5-$6 a pack? (And, some of them would still miss a bill payment rather than give up the nicotine.)

If Americans lose these "freedoms" it will be because they have demonstrated their inability to handle them.

Okay, lob your hate grenades at me for being brazen enough to speak the ugly truth. (Even at my own expense.) I've grown used to it.

The problem is who ought make these decisions: government bureaucrats or individuals. Do you enjoy being nudged along like cattle being prodded? I find it dehumanizing and morally repugnant, thus, the notion that the best government is one that doesn't entwine itself in the lives of citizens.

barbara 05-24-2012 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 103768)
The problem is who ought make these decisions: government bureaucrats or individuals. Do you enjoy being nudged along like cattle being prodded? I find it dehumanizing and morally repugnant, thus, the notion that the best government is one that doesn't entwine itself in the lives of citizens.


So, using your logic, can I assume you support allowing consenting same gender adults making their own choice to marry? And do you support a woman's choice to not carry a pregnancy full term?
Don't need the gov making decisions for people now..... Do we?

d-ray657 05-24-2012 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 103773)
So, using your logic, can I assume you support allowing consenting same gender adults making their own choice to marry? And do you support a woman's choice to not carry a pregnancy full term?
Don't need the gov making decisions for people now..... Do we?

One thing I have to give BH credit for is that he is consistent in that regard, IIRC.

Regards,

D-Ray

d-ray657 05-24-2012 06:19 AM

Just thinking about the difference between Michelle's health eating campaign, and Nancy's "Just say no." No one ever got thirty years in prison for selling a candy bar.

Regards,

D-Ray

barbara 05-24-2012 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 103775)
One thing I have to give BH credit for is that he is consistent in that regard, IIRC.

Regards,

D-Ray

Consistency is good!

merrylander 05-24-2012 06:48 AM

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

Ralph Waldo Emerson


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