Presidential Power
 

Finding a common cause between two usually opposing groups is always interesting IMHO. Here both the left and right seek to limit government power.

Even if one trusts this particular President, the potential for abuse far outweighs any potential law enforcement advantage.

hope that damn thing gets thrown out

The statute or the lawsuit?

Regards,

D-Ray

the statute. the whole law. Right along with obama care.

I wonder who wrote that provision, there's a ton of horse trading going on with the defense appropriations. All sorts of crap gets in there from both sides of the aisle as the congress authors and offers it up to potus for a sig.

I'm with Chomsky on a lot of things and certainly agree that granting sweeping powers to the Justice dept is not to be done lightly. Scrap that provision, absolutely. Since the Patriot Act was signed into law a large part of the protections afforded by the Constitution were put on hold. That's one big piece of crap legislation that should go bye-bye,IMO.

It's nice seeing radicals left and right pulling together for a common cause.

I wish them luck in their endeavor.

No, I'm not voting for Romney.

Darn you to heck!

:)

Pete

Is there anyone the federal government hasn't pissed off?

Chas

the list continues to get smaller by the day....

If you're going to make tough decisions, someone is going to be pissed off.

With respect to the OP though, it sounds like the judge is on the right track. When freedom of association and expression are to be restrained, there must be a compelling public interest and the restraint must be explicit and minimal as possible. It sounds like the language was anything but clear and explicit. Certainly could have a chilling effect.

Regards,

D-Ray

If you're going to make tough decisions, someone is going to be pissed off.

With respect to the OP though, it sounds like the judge is on the right track. When freedom of association and expression are to be restrained, there must be a compelling public interest and the restraint must be explicit and minimal as possible. It sounds like the language was anything but clear and explicit. Certainly could have a chilling effect.

Regards,

D-Ray

Tough decisions? The bunch we got now???

Let's try unfair and politically expedient decisions. If it's a tough decision, about all they do is kick the can down the road and attempt to blame it on the other guy.

I'd welcome some tough decisions, so long as they were tough for everyone.

Especially for the bastards who were making them.

Chas

charles, i agree.

Much as i would like to say channeling some of that pissed offedness towards getting more people to vote and toss the corrupt bastards out, I'm getting to believe that without an amendment facing these politicos we don't have a chance affecting their decisions. The game is rigged. The boys with the ten thousand dollar chips have sat down to the five dollar table and are buying every pot. (Not to mention the dealer is in on their side and isn't above dealing off the bottom - ala scotus) That's just my take on it and your mileage may vary and all but not by so much, I fear.

So, drowning any worms, lately? Here's a chuckle for you.

The old lady kicked my ass out of bed yesterday and said, "You need an airing out! Get some jeans on, we're going down to the beach." Grumbling and pissin' and moaning got me nowhere except in the car headed to the beach. I live three miles off the beach and it's been a couple of years since I got my toes wet and sand in my shoes. Funny how that shit works,you know.. All that I've been seeing of the ocean is out the window of my worktruck.
I did get a meal at the Golden Dragon out of it afterwards. Tsing Tao beer and mushroom chicken. MMmmm, chinese.:)

Saw a few corbina in the surf and a kid was there catching perch on sand crabs. I think I'll invest in a fishing license and go have some light weight fun. Corbinas go two to maybe four pounds and all your bait is right there in the sand, just scoop up a crab when the wave goes out. A 6 to 8 pound test spinning rig and you're good to go. Shit if I'm real lucky a halibut might be in lurking but a 22" limit makes that a tough one to land in the surf. Those mothers have needle sharp teeth and super vision but they are excellent eating. California halibut are similar to those Alaskan behemoths, you don't need a .38 to land 'em though.:rolleyes:

I agree, the game is rigged.

I'm three weeks out from drowning worms.

Best of wishes on your shoulder.

Chas

Gosh Chas,

There's damn few that the Government hasn't pissed on ?

I have yet to see them turn on rich white males... :rolleyes:

The frequently bemoaned military-industrial complex and their hundreds of beltway bandit contractors have been neither pissed off or pissed upon by Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam is a very generous sugar daddy.

That is simply because there are less than 1% of them in our population.

And because if they do, those rich white men will take their money away from them, as they are doing now :rolleyes:

bummere. the rich arent paying their fair share! There fore we need to tax them more.

Rich, But we are creating Jobs!
Bummer, Pay your fair share!

Americans YAY!!! As the rich pay more and the jobs go away...sad

There you have it. The most simplistic craptastic post yet. Bravo!:rolleyes:

My rule of thumb for granting new power to the government is simple.
Would you grant it to the worst "leader" we have or have had.

Somewhere along the line, I noticed that giving a rich man more money is, well, just giving a rich man more money. Sometimes, he may even use it to buy more politicians, pay them to help keep me under control..........

I love going to work and listening to my coworkers bitch, then turn around and support giving "the man" even more freedom to hold their livelyhoods over their heads. Like a bunch of lifelong slaves who feel disconcerted without the bosses boot up their asses........

And, no. I'm not talking about the president. He may not have been the greatest, but I honestly don't see the evil and malicious intent in him that others apparently do.

Meanwhile time keeps tickin', the body aches a little more every year, takes a little bit longer to recover from exertion, illness and hangovers...............What did Brando say in Apocalypse Now? A snail crawling along the edge of a razorblade......the further he crawls, the deeper it cuts.

Dave

Wake up, the top 1% have bought off the politiciams and a majority of SCOTUS yet y'all sit here and blame everything on Obama. Why does he not do this, or that, well maybe it is because people like McConnell keeps saying NOPE. Of course Dr. No still take his salary and health care paid for by you and I. But you knew that.

Obama is one of thier minions too....

Excellent! But, government is now in this brave new millennium as harmless and cute as a puppy. A puppy with super powers!

Pete

I thought it was the "small businessman" that 's going to solve all of our problems?

I'm beginning to like you, but I wouldn't grant it regardless of the leader.

Imagine the country without small business. Perhaps, individuals ought run their lives with the prudence of businessmen. Ooops, I forgot, some people are not capable of such disciplined behavior and need to be coddled by political elites. It would almost be a non-issue if more were not continually imported and created by government policies.

Imagine San Diego without the US Navy....your house would not be worth the $300,000 it is now, give or take a few dollars. It would worth about as much as house in Michigan if the big government left you (unless your right on the beach or in La Jolla). Imagine all those small businesses drying up when big government left....

It is a symbiotic relationship...there is place for government and business duh.
You suck on big government tit every time you get on the I-5, along with eveyone else here.

This is why we should vote small guvmint. But who. Both are for big guvmint. Romneycare and obama care. Difference is Romney will give states rights on whether or not to accept the care. If he doesnt appeal it...

Gee I really did not notice all this. Having worked for a couple of small businessmen I never did see the halos ovr their heads.:rolleyes:

The funny thing is that I was watching the National Business Report last evening. The host Tom Hudson was interviewing some Wall Street wizard about the world economy. The wiz said that the U.S. with its annual growth of 2.2% is the economic shining star of the world. Wonder if the Mittster was watching.

Your assuming that the GOP and fact based reality can be used in the same sentence.




Barney

Who said anything about eliminating small businesses? And, I have as yet to have met more than a handful of businessmen who exhibit "prudence". As a matter of fact there have been times in my life I have gotten screwed pretty badly, by unscrupuous businessmen. Which wouldn't happen as often, if we didn't tolerate it.

there are far many more small businesses then there are large business/corporations? NOt sure where the weight, would tip to though. think scales. As i dont know how to follow them stats.

All this talk about self-discipline and coddling by the government. Now tell me who is more coddled than ExxonMobil, Chevron, Conoco Philips, or Goldman Sachs, or J.P. Morgan Stanley, or Citi. The government had to pick the banks up and wipe their snotty noses, and they are still wiping. You want to talk about "entitlements" take a look at the big casino in lower Manhatten. Oh I forgot they call them Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps. Or tax breaks for Big Oil, and freedom from certain economic rules in the case of Big Pharma. Self discipline? Don't make me laugh.

Here's a term you may not have heard in a while "self regulate". It used to be one of those catch phrases the rightwing mouthpieces threw around in the '80s-90s, as in, "We believe Wall Street can self regulate".

How'd that work out?

Dave