Take THAT Eric Holder!
 

I LOVE this!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-Holder-Ballot

Seems like showing ID at a polling place should be a common sense, common practice. Why the Left and the Obama admiistration continue to oppose it should speak volumes.

For some reason all I get is "Error 503-Service unavailable". I'll try later.

OK, so I ask myself who is this O'Keefe fellow? Wiki sez:


James E. O'Keefe III (born June 28, 1984) is a conservative American activist who has produced audio and video recordings of staged encounters with public figures and workers in a variety of organizations, purportedly showing abusive or illegal behavior by representatives of those organizations. He gained national attention for his release of video recordings of workers at ACORN offices in 2009, his arrest in early 2010 at the office of Senator Mary Landrieu in a failed attempt to record staff conversations, and release of videos of NPR executives in 2011. Investigations by both legal authorities and journalists have found O'Keefe has "selectively", "heavily" or "deceptively" edited secretly recorded videos to leave a false impression and present the subjects in the worst possible light.

:rolleyes:

That was 3 minutes I will never get back.


Carl

I see O'Keefe is at it again.

Yawn.............................I need to cut the grass.

Dave

As an aside;

One of my cousins and several of his friends, Democrats all, went and voted in the Republican primary in Warren, Ohio. Not only were they not asked for ID, they weren't even asked for their party affiliation.

In at least one state that I know of, we have a Republican Governor stripping elected local officials of their duties altogether. (I can't help but wonder if THAT'S legal/constitutional?)

So, spare me this, "Look who has no respect for democracy!" crap. There's plenty to go around.

Ohio has a "semi - open" primary where you can ask for whatever party ballot you wish. The parties make their own rules for their primaries. Primary elections are party/political functions, not state functions.

Not sure what the "at least one state you know of" scenario is.

Still, it is always great to see a stupid political position get poked in the eye - especially when that stupid political position (no ID required to vote) is taken for the purposes of creating mischief.

Okay. It's your story, you tell it.

And, I think you do know what I'm talking about.

You not referring to the Detroit, MI scenario, are you? You're characterizing THAT as a governor "stripping elected local officials" of their duties? If that's the case, LOL!

My opinion, and I'm not alone, its that bunch SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR POWERS STRIPPED years ago, but the constitution doesn't allow it. The state does have the power under law to go through a lengthy process to determine whether or not a municipality is in financial dire - straights enough for the state to intervene, and it has a number of options if it does intervene.

The State law COMPELS the governor to act in these cases. So, your characterization is just a bit dramatic. In this case, the city and the state reached a consent agreement which allows the city to have access to state taxpayer money that the state doesn't have to help bail the city out.

When we talk about getting rid of bail outs and "too big to fail" interventions, I'm in favor of throwing cities into the hopper. Particularly cities like Detroit where finances have been mismanaged for years, accompanied by criminal abuses of office and looting of the city treasury for personal gain.

Now, back to this thread's main topic: Eric Holder - Bonehead General.

Enough with all of the voter fraud BS. The real reason the right wants voter ID laws is to disenfranchise as many on the lower rungs of the economic ladder as possible.

Regards,

D-Ray

Not Detroit, Benton Harbor. Agreed, the place is a mess and the aforementioned elected officials are losers. No argument there. And, the "emergency manager" has been there for a while, I have no issue with that. The line was crossed with changes made to the law, (By Gov. Snyder) allowing him to suspend voting and summarily strip elected officials of any authority. To my mind this constitutes dictatorship. The people have a right to choose their leaders. If said leaders are idiots, so be it until the next election rolls around, or the people petition for a recall. It shouldn't be up to Jenny Granholm or Rick Snyder to pick and choose who they want to be mayor of wherever.

But, I can see, in the current political climate, this sort of thing going national. And that's a genie that needs to stay in the bottle, IMHO. (Regardless of which party has the state/federal majorities or WH.)

Dave

Absolutely.

Duh. ;) However, I will acknowledge the strength of the GOP argument on this issue (and not many others, BTW).

Including outright suspension of voting rights, apparently.

Dave

The argument is a non-starter with me, Dave. If the city can work its way out on its own, fine. However, it could not work its way out with the "Emergency Manager", and that should speak volumes. The kicker with both Detroit and Benton Harbor is that now they can't dig their way out without an infusion of state money.

Now, when Steve Rattner was pegged as the auto czar by Obama to dictate to GM and Chrysler how things were going to go once the Federal loan guarantees were in place, that was all just fine. Now Benton Harbor and Detroit are going to be taking state money, and a synonymous arrangement is not fine? Help me understand the logic, please.

No, its to keep Chicago politics from continuing to seep out of Chicago.

Enough of the racist BS, please. The left's continues to play that card for every reason under the sun.

But now that you've played it: please inform me how showing a driver's license, state issued ID card, or other similar proof of ID is "disenfranchising to the lower rungs of the economic ladder". One must show proof of ID to collect, for example, government benefits such as food stamps or welfare, don't they?

http://www.nlsa.us/resources/benefit...tion_tips.html

Yeah, common sense works that way. :p

Where did I mention race? Increasing economic stratification is an issue for people of all colors. But as long as you're playing the race card who is the "they" who are receiving food stamps and welfare?

Regards,

D-Ray

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood the comment. So, its just the poor that are being disenfranchised by the request for ID? Great. My question still stands. How does this disenfranchise the poor?

Because GM and Chrysler are not Democracies. Never have been. When they chose to take federal funds knowingly agreed to submit to federal control.

The next point might expose where our ideologies diverge, or maybe not, if you really think about it;

Governments are not businesses. And never should be. Businesses are autocratic, command and control by nature. In government, we call this dictatorship.

Yes, the town/city recieves funds from the state. But have the citizenry voted to allow state seizure of their local government? Did they petition the state to oust their local government?

No. It was thrust upon them.

And, as I understand it from the couple hours I spent reading up on it yesterday, there may be other motivations involved other than simply "rescuing" a beleaguered town.

There are plenty of beleaguered towns in this country that no one seems to give a hoot about. They don't have prime lake-front acreage..................

Dave

Thanks. Common sense ain't all that common.

The citizens of the state voted their legislatures to pass laws, and many of the those folks live in Benton Harbor, Detroit, Allen Park, Highland Park, etc. Remember, this ain't a democracy. We vote for congressmen and women to represent us, and they act on our behalf. So, I don't buy the idea that this was "thrust" upon anyone.

There are plenty of cities in Michigan that offer "prime lake-front acreage". Benton Harbor isn't special in that regard, and that by far and away is not a driver in the current scenario there. The same type of situation exists in each of those Michigan cities mentioned above, and none offer "prime lake-front acreage".

Yes it is. At least it should be. Otherwise, to say that people in ( Any state.) also voted for members of congress and the president, the federal government has the right to dismantle the state government and impose absolute federal rule.

Is this the case?

Dave

D, you're the guy to ask this as you'll prolly know best but I've recently saw a few things where the unions require i.d. to be shown at union votes. I also see where the union is against showing i.d. for state and federal voting.

Is this true and if it is why the double standard? Isn't "what's good for the goose, good for the gander"?

It's that way pretty much everywhere, Dave. If states go against the will of the fed then the feds cut off revenue to the states until they fall in line.

That is exactly why the feds were never to have the power they do.

That's the way I see it.

Chas

iirc there were a few instances in MO where that happened not to long ago.

Oh, but if you had ever read up on Hamilton, you'd know that's exactly how the system has been set up from day one. There was a whole lot of sayin' this but doin' that back in the day, my friend.

Unless you have a hard time seein' past the fairy tales......

Dave

The why are you so surprised and railing so much about Benton Harbor when you already obviously know that's the plan. Stop jumping up and down screaming bloody murder in support of Democrats and the evils of Repulicans if they are all in the same boat and you already know their collective plan.

And, besides,

The federal government HAS to have some degree of control. You cannot maintain a cohesive nation under the umbrella of a national constitution any other way. Hence the commerce clause, the forbidding of states "to enter into any confederation".............

Dave

That and defense and that's where it's to end....right?

What in the hell are you raging about?

"...jumping up and down..."?:confused:

Both sides are complicit, I agree.....So why do YOU insist on protecting Republicans? Do you really think they care about "shrinking government"? Where is the evidence?

Maybe right after they actually give your poor ass a substantial tax cut.:p

Dave

That's what they said.................

Didn't last long did it?

Dave

Let's see...so far today I'm a "dipshit" and now a "poor ass".

I'd doubt you find many posts from me "protecting" republicans in the past couple years.

Your are all for it though. You want complete federal control of all aspects of the citizens of this country's lives but when it comes you rail and rail and piss and moan.

Do you really know what you want other than to piss and moan?

Get some sleep, man.

You'll feel better in the morning.

Naw...I'm alright...I know cuz it's dark out east that it's dark across the world but in reality it's only a bit after 6pm here.

Should I insult you here about your need to go buy a whore as it will help you feel better later?

I'd feel better if you'd stop reading so much into what I write.
But, I know there isn't much hope for that.

Just taking ya at "face value"

Now that second part is another one of those "veiled" smacks in the face though, right. You know, "the not much hope" part...... :rolleyes:

Yeah, okay.

Now, back on topic......

I am very curious if it's true that the labor Unions require proof of I.D. for their votes and if so how they can support no proof of I.D. for local, state and federal elections.

You know anything about that Dave?