Ms. Parker brings the claws out
 

The most recent comments made by the obscenity that is Rush Limbaugh have been cited in another thread. Kathleen Parker has offered an emasculating retort:

"The image suggested is equally degrading to Limbaugh, given his obvious familiarity with “watching,” and invites unflattering speculation. To wit: It is entirely possible that Limbaugh himself never needed contraception in college, but virtue in the absence of opportunity is hardly a moral triumph. "

Regards,

D-Ray

Yeah, Rush was certainly over the top on that one. Wouldn't be surprised if it could be his undoing. Not only was the diatribe uncalled for, he served up a slow one right over the plate for Obama.

That said, I agree with the underlying point that contraception shouldn't be covered by healthcare insurance unless it's medically necessary to prevent/alleviate disease/condition, not merely for prevention of pregnancy.

Pregnancy is itself a condition warranting medical treatment.

Regards,

D-Ray

Sure, pregancy is and I'd guess the healthcare aspect of that is a foregone conclusion, but the act of getting pregnant isn't and that's the point. At least my point, anyway.

Gosh D-Ray,

When I was a lad, personal responsibility was the birth control of the day.

When has pregnancy became a goal for collage students ? I believe that if one drives a car, one should pay for their own insurance. So if you wish to engage in unprotected fornication or adultery, you should buy your own protection, after all, it's their choice, not an elective.

Bill

So we can take it that you also disapprove of insurance covering the Erectile Disfunction drugs as well?:rolleyes:

Completely different, IMO. That's fixing something broken.

But, see you mentioned preventing a medical condition. If birth control prevents a medical condition, it comes within your definition.

Bill, what makes you conclude that all those interested in preventing pregnancy are engaged in fornication and adultery? Is that where your mind is? A great many married couples in America practice family planning. I know that once we replaced ourselves, we were done. With the growing scarcity in resources, it would seem that limiting family size is a goal that serves to benefit the community.

Oh, and by the way, the woman who was the object of scorn by the purveyor of political pornography testified about her friend who had needed contraceptives to treat ovarian cysts. As a result of not being able to afford such medication, her medical condition resulted in infertility. Now that shouldn't make Mr. Santorum happy.

Regards,

D-Ray

When I was a young lad, proudly serving my country abroad, we regularly banged Phillipino, Korean, Australian, Spanish, French, Japanese, (etc. etc.) bar girls with wreckess abandon. Sometimes two or three different ones in a single port call. And when we picked up disease from these escapades it was your tax money that paid for the treatments. Actually, by extension, we were using your tax money to pay the hookers too.

Got news for ya, Bill. College kids, like drunken sailors and most twenty-somethings----hump like rabbits. Despite what the pointy hat morons over in the Vatican or their parents want to believe. Always have, even when you were a young lad. When they get sick, or pregnant from it, they go to the doctor and it helps run up our insurance costs.

I'd rather just pay for the friggin' condom. It's cheaper.

Dave

Yeah, I did, but that's not the type of medical condition I meant, and you know that.

I didn't realize lads used birth control pills.:confused: Or is it that "personal responsibility" is a euphemism for having never "scored" in your youth? ;)

You always look on the bright side, unwanted pregnancies constitute an alarming percentage of the children born to married couples, it is not just teenagers. Of course I realize that all you righties are in favour of sex education in high school.

Which is why many parents can't afford college for their children.

Reminds me of the punch line of an old joke:

As the doctor, in his ardor, comes crashing through the door:

Nurse: Dr. Bennett!

Doctor: No, I broke it.

Regards,

D-Ray

Then we shouldn't prevent strokes by providing blood pressure medications or cholesterol medications to people who over-eat, even though it might save medical expenses in the long run.

We shouldn't provide any medication for smoking cessation, even thought it might save medical expenses in the long run. Just as we should deny treatment for alcohol or drug addiction, or any type of treatment that is in anyway related to a lifestyle choice - even among married people.

Regards,

D-Ray

You stole that line from Ms. Parker, you cad.

Regards,

D-Ray

I did indeed. However, the person to whom it was directed wouldn't have noticed that in a million years.;)

Sure, well maybe nature decided that he was not really adding any value to the gene pool.

BAM! Over the right field wall!

Maybe, but it was a batting practice fastball, up over the plate.;)

Regards,

D-Ray

Getting pregnant isn't a disease, as much as apparently it's considered similar by some. Quite the opposite, it generally means things are working A-OK.

Perhaps. That might also be the best reason I've seen so far to cover contraceptives.

I think this was blown completely out of proportion by the press. Limbaugh was being absurd to make a point. Why ought a thirty year old law school student be deprived of her right to irresponsible sex. Her lack of control and not Limbaugh's admittedly absurd statement ought be the issue. I guess it was beyond her ability to restain her willfull behavior. Of course, this completely dovetails with the left's belief that people lack either the intelliegence or are deliberately manipulated by the evil companies to act in a certain way. You do realize that Bill simply couldn't control himself in that throbbing moment with Monica.

If sex were not the underlying issue, there would be no question that providing birth control is the most practical medical intervention to avoid future medical costs. In addition to preventing unnecessary medical costs, contraception can prevent enormous social costs arising from unwanted pregnancies, over-population, etc. As many "sins" as there are for folks to get up in arms about, none carry as much fascination for the finger pointers as sex.

Regards,

D-Ray

Was it blown out of proportion that an all-male hearing by the GOP refused to allow any Democratic witnesses? Also, one of the points she was trying to make was that birth control pills are often used as therapy for health conditions such as cervical cancer.

Regardless of whether or not insurance companies, employers or secular extensions of the church (e.g., universities, hospitals) should offer birth control as part of an insurance plan, those that believe they should shouldn't be labelled as prostitutes, lest you want to lose the moral high ground on your argument.

Limbaugh is a pig.

No doubt I'll be roasted, but I like to listen to Rush (and whom ever else happens to be next on the station regardless of political affiliation) when I'm driving. I'm familiar with his shock tactics and those of most political radio hosts. I heard this segment first hand, it was too much, IMO, beyond absurd. The point would have been made well enough after the first or second pass.

I just recieved Fluke's testimony transcript and I'm looking for Limbaugh's statements in context. I do not listen to Limbaugh, largely, because I know that Limbaugh is all about Limbaugh, primarily, increasing his ratings.

I wonder how Rush feels about insurance companies covering Oxycontin.

Do these sound like the words of a prostitute?

"These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people."

“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy."

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

I'm sure he feels just finneeeee.... about it. :)

IMHO the democrats did a wonderful job of painting the GOP as mysoginists. Considering her testimony, complete with a selection of anectdotal and heart tugging testimony, her position is that having wanton sex causes undue financial hardship on the female students. The remedy is to have someone else pay to reduce that hardship, thus, paying for her behavior. She does not argue that the partners have any potential responsibility in the matter. BTW, we're talking only about $1000.00 per year.

Rush did go over the top IMHO, but I also don't think that someone else ought pay for someone elses willful choices. Come to think of it, I'd like $1000.00 for my allergy medications, that would nearly cover a nice amplifier.


Here's Rush's statement:

Is there a good rationale for excluding contraceptives from other forms of medications covered by medical plans? If you are designing medical plans for cost savings, which was part of the purpose of the health care reform, you would most certainly want to include contraceptives. The only reason to exclude contraceptives is to impose a narrow moral code on beneficiaries of medical plans.

I'm surprised that your medical plan excludes allergy medications. It seems like keeping allergies under control also lessens the chance of other infections.

My resolution for Lent precludes me from providing a more colorful description of what I think of Mr. Limbaugh.

Regards,

D-Ray

I think the GOP did it to themselves. That is the price of pandering.

Regards,

D-Ray

I am certainly not surprised in the responses that I have received by the "L" group here.

It shows what responsible people have always know, that some hold a double standard, one for their sons, and one for their daughters.
Birth control is always a women's responsibility, because some men can not be responsible enough to purchase a condom, a prophylactic device or rubber.
Everything is the responsibility of the woman, but have you ever viewed the counter indications of birth control pills ?

The pill is not recommended for women who have had blood clots, high blood pressure, certain types of cancers, heart attack, stroke, liver disease, gallbladder disease, undiagnosed uterine bleeding, cardiac problems, epilepsy, sickle cell disease, chronic renal disease, smokers, prior to elective surgery, suspected pregnancy, obese women, certain types of migraine headaches, or uncontrolled diabetes.

Read more: Warning Signals/Contraindications of Birth Control Pills / Oral Contraceptive Pills | Medindia http://www.medindia.net/patients/pat...#ixzz1o0E39vBw

Birthcontrol pills have many unfavorable, unhealthy and dangerous side affects, but men do not concern themselves with this, as they do not require men to experience them. They don't don't have bloating, cramps, mood swings, cramps in their legs, etc., etc., etc.

And Dave, you are an admitted abuser of women and irresponsibility, with your cavalier involvement with woman and sexuality.

D-Ray, If your no longer interested in the propagation of your genetic line, be responsible and park your car, then you will not need insurance, and beside you wouldn't want to have an accident, the world may not be ready for another D-Ray right now.

Unfortunately Liberals want everyone else to pay for their lack of control, and stupidity. Take hold of those balls that you have had so much fun with, give them a squeeze, and grow up, take responsibility for YOUR Actions.

Bill

There is a medication that, among other things, prevents an unwanted medical condition, pregnancy. Rather than have such medication included with a plethora of other medical conditions that are covered by medical plans, you would rather control the private behavior of others. Who's overreaching here?

Regards,

D-Ray

From what I'm reading, Fluke is a ringer that Pelosi brought in, and the whole thing is contrived.

And Rush was stupid enough to call her a whore instead of pointing out that she WAS a ringer.

This isn't so much about birth control, or insurance, as it is about politics. And Rush managed to blunder around and hand a win to the Donks.

Chas

I realize that your comments aren't directed at me, but I say give 'em the damn birth control pills. I doubt that they cost any more than the cheap generic Zyrtec I take every day.

The big difference is I'm not dropping pups all over the place. And if you're too poor, or stupid, or both to come up with the price of the pills, the last thing you need is a litter of pups that society will have to support.

Chas

Overreaching ?

This is just another group of parasites that wants the Government to pay for everything that they possibly can convince the Government to pay for to buy their votes.

I'm surprised that you don't want the Government to perform intercourse for you.

Bill

... and that, gentlemen, sums it up.

You did fail to mention the awful optics of the GOP House Committee meeting to discuss women's health without any women present. That was the first big blunder is this whole episode.

I'm certainly receptive to the argument that Obama set the whole stage for the GOP overreaction to his contraceptive proposal.

And that is not a bad rationale for including contraceptives in universal health coverage. Even us stinking liberals can understand cost-effectiveness. :rolleyes:

Regards,

D-Ray

That's because I'm paying very little attention to all of this, considering that we have bigger fish to fry.

As far as I'm concerned, the Republicans are reacting like Noon used to whenever TD used to say "Gotta go, O'Reilly's on!" And ol' Noon would ALWAYS come charging out, foaming at the mouth, and start a tirade about Faux News, stupid people who vote against their own best interests, etc.

It was so effective I started doing the same thing. However, Noon finally wised up. I'm afraid my boys and girls never will.

Chas