School shooting in Ohio.
 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...hool-shooting/

I hear he tweeted his intentions to fellow students the night before. None of them took him seriously. Terrible tragedy indeed. Might have been avoided if just one person had spoken up.

(And, no. I don't think that if all of the students and faculty had AK47s, Glocks and hand grenades they could have nipped this one in the bud.:rolleyes:)

Dave

I just spoke to a 08 grad and he said 2 are dead, and that the shootings weren't random - he knew who he was going to shoot.

Pete

While we have all experienced Bullying from others in our lives, I believe that the alienation and physical abuse of students should be eliminated completely.

I know when I was young, bullying from older students caused many students to hide and remove themselves from the attention of the bullyies, only to be searched out, and beaten, spit on and humiliated further. When will the school districts learn that this is cause of these students emotional explosion, trying to stop the continual abuse against them.
Even when the students reported the abuse, teachers would only tell the bullyies to leave these students alone ?

On a better note: The teacher that chased the armed student from the school, with the possible loss of life or limb, is truly a Hero. A Very, Very few would chase an armed suspect that had already proved his willingness to fire his weapon. We will never know how many lives he may have saved.

Bill

I Agree, Bill. The teacher that went after him, risking his own life, deserves recognition.

Bullying is a very bad thing. It puts a kid in a corner and leaves him, or her, no choice but to lash out or lose his her mind. Or both, apparently.

And, as I understand it, there are efforts under way to curb it. I can only wonder how effective they will be. I think you Dads are much more aware than I how difficult it can be to control a friggin' teenager. I can only imagine how tough it can be.

Dave

They're saying it may have been a case of bullying. It will all come out in the wash.

Dave

Yeah I'm sure.

Not too sure about stopping bullying completely though. If it's even possible. Think about a very soft populace, softer than even today! How eaasily led will they be?

Pete

No, but we can discourage it. I can't imagine letting bullies run amok is a good idea either. Imagine a society full of nothing but belligerant assholes. How do we maintain a reasonably tranquil society like that?:confused:

Do kids go to school to learn, or to spend the whole day fighting to preserve their dignity and sanity, ferfuksake?

Dave

Oh I understand. Heck, my name is Peter. I'm just uncertain we're not going too far the other way - I remember being taught to stand up for myself, and sometimes you'll get in trouble for doing the right thing.

Took a while before I did though. And even now I probably don't often enough, believe it or not.

My prayers go out to those effected by this mess.

Pete

Being a big kid, I was always a crossing guard, a member of the Safety Patrol. We were supposed to check all the nooks and crannies of the school, to keep the smoking students away from the school.
I couldn't tell you how many students that I would find every day, hiding from other students that wanted to hurt them.
When I brought this to the attention of the Vice. Principle in charge of the Safeties, he said for me to send them to their councilors, and under no conditions was I supposed to allow them to stay in those areas ?

Everyone in our school had problems with bullies, even the bullies had groups of other bullies beating on them. It seemed as though we were a pack of wild dogs fighting for the control of the pack. It's truly a wonder that no one snapped and killed anyone there.

Most teachers only want a 9 - 5 job, and not to become involved in anything other than their classes.

I remember on day I set up a brand new 35 mm sound projector in a classroom, when I came out of the classroom three fellows told me to leave the door open, or. Knowing that I was responsible for that brand new equipment, I locked the door behind me. The three attacked me to get the keys, and I did my best to defend myself, and injured one of them badly enough for him to need to go to the hospital. I ended up in the Principals office with the police, facing charges fro fighting in school ? And no one cared that I was protecting school equipment, and myself from three attackers.
I did get this resolved, but quit the visual aids department and handed in my safety badge, and told them that I don't need this shit ! Even back then, schools sucked big time.

Bill

Had two bullies in school but after I found out that the Marquis of Queensbury was a barking idiot and beat the crap out of both that ended it. Gentlemanly art of boxing my arse. Somebody beats on you then use any means you can to stop it. Fighting dirty? Hell yes, is there any other way?

I was just thinking of how it got this far. My local school here seem to have intervention by the staff and teachers well in hand. Or so I hope to say the least!

Bullies were never a problem with my son's being they went to classes weekly and were both Black belts in Karate and Aikido. Didn't want them to grow up unprepared, I was a military brat and moved way to much and had to learn street fighting at an early age. Plus having younger siblings to protect I learned the proper use of the old one two through experience.




Barney

Holy Cow, where did you go to school?

Dave

John Paul Jones Jr. High, Thomas Edison Sr. High, Philadelphia, PA.

I was stabbed twice and shot at ounce, a good preparation for Vietnam :cool:

Both very ethnically diverse schools, with a very Caucasian minority.

Bill

I think Obama should apologize to the shooter, look how well it worked in Afghanistan.

this is just so wrong

I heard bits and pieces of this story all day. That the shooter told others of his intentions and was not taken seriously is such a tragedy.

Maybe the assailant wasn't bullied at all. Maybe he was just like his father, a gun toting a-hole.

disclaimer: I don't know the father or situation. But I would bet guns run in the family.

Perhaps his momma was the keeper of the rattlesnakes down at the local Assembly of God.

Chas

If nothing else, the kid had access and glorified them as the solution to his social problems. :rolleyes:

One of the problems in America. I am sure I will be crucified for this, but too damn many guns and too easy access to them. Look at the number of school shootings in the US compared to Europe, which has about the same population, but much stricter gun control laws.

I guess this is just one of those things that comes with the love of the 2nd amendment.

I work with a guy from Philadelphia. He always tells me if I want a gun that he can introduce me to guy who sells them out of the trunk of his car in Philly. No paperwork involved.

Yup. No end of guns floating around the US of A.

I still don't see how this all amounts to a well regulated militia....

Same here, I can leave right now, head to Cleveland, and come home with a trunk full of god knows what before this evening. No paperwork, no serial numbers.

And if there's so many guns in the hood, why do these shootings happen out in rich white land?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Pete

Every one of which was likely purchased legally at some point. School shootings are just the price you pay for a country full of guns. We had our share of them up here also.

Hood, or nice white neighborhood?

Pete

What is the point you're trying to make, Pete?

That it happens in the 'hood all of the time, but no one cares?

Dave

No - no mass school shootings in the hood.

So, if it's availability of guns, why not?

Pete

Cops, (Not security guards, but armed city cops.), metal detectors and surveillance cameras in the schools. That's what we have here.

In this area, they've decided it's much more fun to shoot up colleges (VT) and shopping centers.

I don't know why. Lax security maybe?

Or maybe us white folk are just more emotionally and psychologically unstable?:p

Dave

I understand but have a very very hard time believing kids can't get stuff past the guards. I'll ask next time I see them.

There's got to be a connection re unstable! Or maybe they're just tougher? I dunno.

Pete

Yeah, I hear ya. I've often thought we white folk need to beat our kids more. Subject them to the conditions of poverty.

They are way too soft.

You go first.

Dave

Can I practice on my neighbor first?

Btw, the hoods I know are as integrated as it gets (still not the best idea to go into the old segregated ones for the most part) (particularly dressed like McClane in Die Hard 3).

Black, yellow, red, white, all beat daily from day 1 :D

Pete

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

A coworker has that on a bumper sticker.

Dave

I always liked "Dial 911...make a cop come".

Not that I would have one myself.

Chas

It's called freedom, and as for the well regulated militia, why don't you get a group of Canucks together and attack Detroit. I'm sure it would shorten the learning curve for ya.:p

Not Detroit Erik, Queenston Heights.:p

That would work too.:D

You first must remember that ounce you have taken it, you must keep it !

No Deposit, No Return :D

Just don't mess with our Apple Pie. That's when you'll find out everything about the 2nd. Amendment ;)

Bill

Well it seems that bullying was not part of the equation as the perp did not even go to that school but one several miles away. He also told the police that he just picked targets at random. He is one sick puppy.

Ach. So the kid I spoke to was wrong.

The news here will make you sick, they can't keep their cameras out of anywhere for any reason.

Chardon is a very nice place and not uber-wealthy, but the hub for a very prosperous area. If you ask anyone around here they would say, I've heard it's a great place to live. My heart goes out to those folks.

The police sure seemed to have done a great job.

Pete

I guess it's a good thing I decided not to be a psychology major. I cannot begin to fathom what goes on in the mind of one who would engage in random killing, nor can I discern what goes on in the mind of a ruler who would turn tanks and heavy artillery on civilians. I can't understand what went on in that school or what goes on in Syria (or Libya or Yemen, or Saudia Arabia for that matter (capital punishment for heresy?)).

Regards,

D-Ray