Liberals and Conservatives ?
 

After careful reading of the posts of Liberals and Conservatives, I believe that I have found the Answer.

When a Liberal posts that we need a One Payer Health Care System, they are saying that They want a One Payer Health Care System. They don't want to pay for it, but they want it.

If a Conservative post that we need a One Payer Health Care System, He is being altruistic, and understands that this will have to be payed for, but due to unfortunate circumstances of some within our society, they should be helped.

So basically we have those that want more services for free, because of circumstances beyond their control.
We have those that want more services for free, but they could afford to provide these services for themselves, but do not want too pay for them.
And we have those that see the benefit of having these services, and provide them for themselves, some can barely afford these services, some sacrifice to have these services, others have less problems getting these services.

So here we have it, these services are available for a cost, the very poor receive them through Medicare and Medicaid and Charity Care Charities.

LIBERALS, Parasites.
Then there are those that want these services without paying for them, they could provide them for themselves but are not willing to pay for them. So they cry for those that can not afford them in hopes of having them provided to them free. Even though many of them could easily afford them.

CONSERVATIVES, Hosts.
Now we have those that see the benefits of having these services, and even with sacrifices provide them for themselves, because they see the benefits of them. Others in better financial situations have less difficulty providing these services.

So we have LIBERAL Parasites, that want everything from the CONSERVATIVE Hosts. The Old Ant and Grasshopper analogy. Them that work for what they have, and those that want what they worked for.

As for practicing what they preach, Liberals donate 75% less to Charitable Organizations than Conservatives ? Now does that sound to you that they want to help the less fortunate of our society, or that they are more interested in keeping up their lifestyles ?

But a funny thing happened on the way to liberalism. Americans who believe in “income redistribution” give 75% less to charity than Americans who do not, according to Dr. Brooks. That is a stunning differential. I believe this is a religious thing. Liberals believe in individual gratification, and that often takes money. Buying that jazzy new SUV and that vacation home can deplete disposable cash fast. If it’s all about you, then you are thinking about you, not about poor Dave down the street. talkingpoints.wordpress.com

The one thing that they have not contemplated is just what will they do when the destroy all of the Hosts that provide them with substance ? Or when the Hosts seek medications to relieve themselves of this infestation of these Parasitic liberal infestation.

Bill

Oh great student of human behavior, what was your basis for the far-reaching conclusions? It seems to me that all First World countries other than ours have a better system of health care financing than we do, along with better outcomes at a better price in many cases.

The OP gets my vote as the post as the biggest crock of chit I've read in years. Congratulations.

After careful reading of the posts Large William just won the gold for the standing broadjump to a completely false conclusion - Congratulations!

Well if you want National Health Care, let us follow Frances example:

Who Has the Best Health Care in the World?

One of the most important questions to be asked, who has the best health care in the world, has answers that reflect the overall health of the country. The best health care system in the world is that of France. This is a country with a population of over 65 million people, has a government expenditure of over 250 billion USD, for the welfare of the health of its citizens.

France takes many precautions to make sure that its citizens stay healthy under all conditions. They have made it compulsory for each and every citizen to have an individual health insurance. They have even planned out the insurance for its citizens. The citizens of France have to pay about 5.25% of their salary or any earned income to the non-profit health insurance fund. Those on pensions or other benefits, like allowance, need to pay about 3.95% to the same for an affordable health insurance fund.

Citizens of France can enjoy many benefits of this health insurance. Most of the time, the health care treatment is almost free for people. Let me explain, suppose someone visits a doctor and pays the doctors about USD 1500 as fees. He pays the doctor his fees and then claims a 75% refund from the health insurance fund. Thus, he will get back USD 1125 from the national insurance fund. If this same person also has a private health insurance plan, he can claim the remaining $325 and pay nothing from his own pocket.

The only thing one needs to remember is to pay first, then claim. A patient needs to pay from his own pocket after receiving treatment and only then claim the refund. Therefore, if you cannot afford to pay more, you should avoid seeking treatment from expensive hospitals. As compared to the United States, France spends USD 4,000 dollars per person for health care. United States on other hand, spends USD 7,500 per person. There are about 3.4 physicians per 1000 people in France and 2.4 physicians per 1000 people in the United States. This shows that both these countries provide the best health care in the world. This was all about the best health care system in the world. Let us now see how other countries fare on the best health care in the world list.

France has am economic blockade against the poor, YOU MUST PAT FIRST, then you can be reimbursed for the treatment. Then you will receive a 75% reimbursement of fees paid.
Not 100% !

Bill

Who said anything about modelling our system on France's? Your conclusion on post #4 is just as erroneous as the conclusion reached in the OP. You're batting 1000. Keep babbling - this could get pretty entertaining.

Check below finnbow,

How well would the Worlds Best Health Care treat many Americans, especially the poor ? If a poor person has a serious aliment, they better look for a discounted doctor or hospital, or they will not find treatment.

I already expected responses like yours, after all, I would hate to be known as a Parasite on Society.

Bill

I've stated many a time that I wouldn't mind paying more, if it meant lifetime coverage for every American citizen.

Haven't I, Fellas?

I also believe our country is better off when we all pitch in to ensure access to higher education for as many students as we possibly can.

I honestly don't know how you come to these conclusions. What? You don't think I pay any taxes? Last I checked I wasn't Mitt Romney, nor do I live in France.

And, one last thing. Parasite? I have always worked. ALWAYS. So, fuck you.

Dave

Just to mention,

My conclusions are for all Liberal Parasites, in every case that they wine about services that the People Should Provide for them.

Bill

I'll whine if the People Who Should Provide don't provide me wine. Cheers.:rolleyes:

How big of YOU Dave,

So why are you not willing to pay for these services for yourself ?

And as far as Mitt Romney, he gives more to charities than you pay taxes, and he's not crying about it either. Conservatives put their money where their mouths are.

And I use France's Health Care System as an example, because it is rated as the Best in the World.

Bill

You mention Single Payer presumably like Canada's system. When I lived there I paid 0.8% on my taxable income as well as $54 per month for the family plan, so where is the BS about asking others to pay my way. Believe me Canadians are in far better health than Americans because they get preventative medicine, they don't wait until the are sick. CAse in point at 81 years of age I take no prescribed medications, my blood pressure runs about 120 over 65 on a bad day.

Of course Mitt pays more taxes (Although I do pay a greater percentage.) and contributes more to charity than me. He can. He's a whole lot wealthier than me.

I'm sorry, but this thread makes no sense, Bill. Seriously. When have I "cried" about giving to charity?:confused: Or paying my taxes? And, how can you possibly know that I don't?

There's only one set of folks who I hear disparaging "the poor" or raising hell about having to pay taxes. And they do it constantly, 24/7/365. Even make comments alluding to revolution over it. Just tune into the EIB network or FoxNews and bend an ear.

And, just who would that be?

Answer me that.

Dave

If you wish to engage in a debate about public policy based upon juicy anecdotes and cherry-picked statistics, I'm sure the American "system" could provide hundreds of excellent examples of how and why we are not being appropriately served by our current system. When it comes to horror stories on the subject on human health and suffering, examples abound the world over.

Hundreds? I'm sure we could find THOUSANDS of examples of how our current system doesn't appropriately serve some of the people-----------at all.

Dave

Yeh, but only liberal parasites believe that.;)

Recently I've had a first hand look at how the US system treats the working poor.

It's excellent.

Pete

Gaw! Is this unbelieveable, or what, Pat? You've read my comments on this subject many times. I've also said, "If we can find a way to cover everyone through the free market, great. I just don't see how." Haven't I? When are they going to figure it out?

It's the exclusivity that we don't like. People shouldn't have to pay, with their healthcare needs, for being unemployed, or retired. This is what I believe. Why should the rest of us pay to cover them? Why can't they just go get their own?

How do you.............WHEN YOU HAVE NO INCOME?:confused: (Or sufficient income as the case may be.)

Good God! I swear, it's like the thickheaded have formed their own political movement.

Dave

I think no country has succeeded in offering perfect health care, in terms of quality, coverage and cost. I think that we excel in the area of treatment quality (for those that get it), notwithstanding plenty of horror stories to the contrary.

With respect to coverage and cost, we suck hind tit. Big time.

As one of the Seasoned Citizens our health insurance runs about $10,000 per year. That was last year, when I get all the data together I will give you the new numbers, so BB all I can say is Chuck you Farley.

Oh yeah, for about $1200 a year to Medicare Part B I get a flu shot.

You need to keep reading Bill. Your making a self serving assumption to use parasite and host as examples.

As one who thinks a single payer system ran as a non-profit for all is the only true good way to cover all. I don't believe it should be free but means tested for payment. Those that can afford pay more then those that can't. That is were some will find fault. This should be taken out of your income taxes so for the cash black market crowd they will have some explaining to do! This might be where some fear the government getting involved in their business.

I willingly pay my taxes, just would like more oversight on how it is spent. Two people will see a add for a lawyer who will tackle your IRS problems. One will see a person trying to steal funds from the government that they legally owe. The other will think it is great for someone to get out of what they owe the government. I leave it to you to decide who the conservative might be.

How can one not want to have insurance coverage for all. Not have to worry that their kids will have insurance when they are on their own. Not have to stay in or worry about losing a job because of insurance.

I have insurance, some would say very good. But it is expensive and covers less and less each year. I could sit back and not worry about the many people I know who are without insurance. But I do, some have not been to a doctor other then an emergency in years. I fear for a them because heart disease cancer and diabetics all run in the family.

Just had a friend who lost her job and insurance, felt bad but waited to go to the hospital. Finally decided to go, died in the entry way of the hospital. Come to find out she had at least another milder heart attack a day or two before. So now two young girls are without a mother, father is already dead. This I feel should not happen in my country.



Barney

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Looks to me we are a 3rd world country when it comes to healthcare for it's citizens. Technology does no good if it is inaccessible. Germany does just fine with it's health care system and if we were not a totally corrupt system we could adopt it.

Carl

The only purpose for such a demeaning and provocative post is to engage in the practice otherwise known as trolling. It is clear from the tone of the post that it was not intended to engender any useful discussion. It is at its very best, a rant.

BTW, quite a right wing rant for one who claims to be a centerist (sic).

Regards,

D-Ray

Congratulations Merrylander,

I am happy that you are in such fine shape.

However you are subsidized by others taxes, do you believe that you could buy any health care for that amount of money ?

You were a Liberal Parasite on Canada, taking from the better off to pay for your health care that you didn't feel like paying for.

Bill

Amazing. Just amazing. No wonder this country is falling behind.
With so many falling for this "every man for himself" ideology how could it possibly go any other way?

Dave

Hey Rob, when was the last time you participated in the Canadian health care system? IIRC, it was well over 20 years ago, I have also observed that the cost of health care has increased at an exponential rate over the last 20-25 years. I would venture a guess that the amount you paid toward your coverage at that time would be at or above what many here paid as their share of employer provided health coverage.

But wait, don't the employers get tax deductions for the amounts they pay toward employee health coverage? So we the taxpayers have been subsidizing the employer's cost of attracting and retaining employees. Always knew those damn employers were parasites.

Regards,

D-Ray

The Productive Hosts, that you call conservatives, want what they have earned and produced through their hard work.

The only people I hear complaining that they are "oppressed" these days ARE the so-called "hosts" that you speak of. All they do is whine anymore. That's all you have been doing in this thread, all day long. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

The rest of us are just trying to make a living and get by as best we can. Which gets harder and harder as wages are suppressed and more cost of benefits is pushed down the scale.

Why can't you see that?

Dave

"The Productive Hosts, that you call conservatives, want what they have earned and produced through their hard work."

Oh, yes, of course. We've all heard. You are the center of the universe. You do ALL of the work and carry the rest of the world on your back. Poor, impoverished and overburdened baby. We all owe you whatever you demand of us.

Yawn.

I've been up all night, working and all day taking care of personal business. Your insanity is wearing me out.

Time for a nap.

Dave

For those of you that like Canada's Health Care System better, their Accidental Hospital Death rate is 245,000 for a population of 33,500,000. While here in the United States the Accidental Hospital Death Rate is 97,860 for a population od 313,000,000.

It seems to me that Canada's System needs lots of improvement.

Bill

You just proved a point Mr Bill. More people go to the hospital to get care in Canada. With the near 100% coverage in Canada you would expect the number to be higher. If you can't go to the hospital then not much of a chance some accident will happen right?




Barney

You do realize, I suppose, that the bright Red States are the ones who generally get far more in Federal payments than they pay in Federal taxes. Conversely, it's the Blue States who get less than they pay in and thereby subsidize the Red States. Who's paying for whom? You're living a myth.

That was a nice piece of writing.

+2

Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly forgot to mention that one.




Barney

Mr. D-Ray,

You love throwing around that word Troll, yet you have no problem Trolling when your championing Liberal topics, and now defending Liberals, like yourself.

My observations of this political situation, are only observations of people that either show an interest in liberal or conservative leanings.

Liberia's want to give others peoples monies to others, while Conservatives just want to keep what they have earned.

Now if Liberals just wanted to give their money to others, that would be fine. But O, yea, they not really into charitable causes, hell, they give 75% less than Conservatives do to charities. I guess that's why they want to give others money away, they need to keep their money for necessities, like ? something more important, or perhaps they do not believe in charities ?


Sincerely,
Bill

Apples and Potato's Barney,

I'm talking about liberals and Conservatives. Your talking Government.

Bill

NOT AT ALL Barney, your analogy is laughable.

Bill, ROTFLMAO

No, I do not love to throw around the term troll. It is unfortunate when I observe conduct that warrants being identified as such. I observed a member initiating a thread by posting deliberately insulting and demeaning descriptions of individuals with a particular (misrepresented) viewpoint. I stand by my conclusions.

Regards,

D-Ray

Should be use by now at hearing similar views to this expressed at political events around here as of late. People who think by shouting out their views thus drowning out any quite discussion of facts make them right. Seems all you need to do is spout a lie no matter how silly over and over. There are those who will believe it just because the truth is so painful for them.



Barney

Yeah, but the non-hospital, non-accidental death rate in the U.S.A. is over 3,000,000 a year because they couldn't afford to go to the hospital.

It seems to me that the United States system needs lots of improvement.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure, just like watching Fox News, or listening to Rush Limbaugh, anybody who read your original post is a hell of a lot dumber now.




Indy

Well Mr. Indy,

Please show me where you obtained your statistics on that "is over 3,000,000 a year because they couldn't afford to go to the hospital." I would be very interested in seeing them, if they exist.

I have watched Fox News, and I would have loved to see this Glen Beck fellow, but after looking I found that he's gone. I just wanted to see the guy that scares the heck out of all of you liberals.

I did enjoy watching FOX BUSINESS NEWS'S "FREEDOM WATCH with Judge Andrew Napolitano" A GREAT VOICE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM, now on it's way out due to the TRUTH being told, and the fear and hate of the power's in Washington D.C.

Bill