State of the Union
 

1. Scotch.
2. Jammies.
3. Dog.

I'm settled in for this baby. :D

NOTE: I thought the "Onion" thread was a joke... My error, I will re-post, there.

Let the fracking on public lands begin!!! :)

My friend summarized it in a relatively humorous way: In case you missed the State of the Union, I've prepared this summary: Bin Laden is dead. America. Congress should do some stuff we all know they won't. Bad milk joke. Military. America.

Kind of like Newt at the republican debates.

"Obama sucks. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan. I'm just like Reagan. It's all Obamas fault. Reagan, Reagan. Obama bad. Reagan Republican. Obama did it. I'm Reagan back from the dead. Obama hates freedom. Reagan, Reagan. All of these other guys suck. I'm a true Reagan conservative. Mitt kills puppies. Reagan, Reagan. Blacks are lazy. Goldwater, Reagan..........."

Every week, sometimes twice a week for a friggin' year.

At lunch we were watching part of the debate before last. Jeff, one of the mechanics I work with asked;

"What is it with idiots who think they can use past associations with a great man to make everyone think they're like him?":p:D:);)

Dave

Look everyone, Dj was paying attention.
I was sure one of you would have picked up on that, at the very least.

Dave

All the Reagan talk always reminds me of a really interesting comparison between Stalin and Reagan that I read some time back. I don't necessarily agree with some of the author's points, but it's an interesting read.

http://www.romm.org/soc_com.html

""Conservatives defending George W. Bush are in the same situation as Communists defending Stalin. Stalin was never a "socialist" and Bush was never a "compassionate conservative", but the conservatives just don't want to hear any criticism and will go out of their way to deny facts. The current construction of the conservative movement in the US descends through the anti-Communists during and after WWII, the George Wallace "America First" blue-collar workers, the racists that Wallace picked up that switched parties during Nixon's Southern Strategy, and the nascent libertarian movement championed by Barry Goldwater. Ronald Reagan's acceptance speech for Goldwater during the 1964 Republican National Convention laid out the insistence of a balanced budget: "There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States." And yet, like Lenin revising Marx, when Reagan was governor of California he didn't practice fiscal restraint. And when he was elected president in 1980 he did the exact opposite of his campaign promise and triple the deficit and there has been "no fiscal and economic stability" since his flip-flop. Fiscal restraint was never implemented.""

Interesting.

".....we will not return to the ideology that caused this......"---President Obama, State of the Union address, 2012.

I knew that one woud piss them off. If any of them were paying attention.

Dave

That's where I came in because I had to attend a HOA meeting. The meeting & the speech were both painful. :rolleyes:

Jeez Zeke, way to clutter up the board :D

The champion of the greenies won't allow a pipeline, but says heck yes let's frack? And just why does 'let's frack' sound dirty?

Btw, I didn't know the Pres passed the budget. Reagan could do anything!

Pete

That position is not really inconsistent. If the primary concern is carbon emissions, which has been an Obama priority all along, choosing natural gas over oil sands is a no-brainer. The oil to be transported through the Keystone pipeline requires tremendous energy to be extracted. Natural gas, on the other hand, produces about half as much carbon.

And yes, if you have ever watched Battlestar Gallactica (the new version) - "frack" is the substitute f-bomb, as is "freaking" in other contexts. My boys knew that they could barely get away with "freaking" in front of their mother.

Regards,

D-Ray

Did she smack'em upside the head? :D I didn't know there was a 'new' Battlestar Galactica. Does the bad guy still have one eye?

The gas line has an aquifier issue, right? Fracking pumps all kinds of nastiness into the ground.

Pete

I was shocked to say the least about the fracking!
A well driller bought up land near us in the country. Made us an offer on our lproperty ( we're selling). He shook my hubby's hand on the deal..... he was to give us a check a week later but.... felt the selling price was too high and instead... offered us much less. We refused.
He bought up most of the land around us since then and made a mess of the area...cut trees, completely scared off most of the wild life.
We have a private well and are one of the few who do. Most people use their property for summer recreation and hunting.
A week later we find out he bought land in Pennsylvania and is going into gas drilling!!!
So now we're holding our breath...he has money and there seem to be different rules for those who do. :(

So everybody here wants the pipeline because all the nasty effects are in northern Alberta.

You missed the part where he said they'd regulate it to a stand still with B.S. environmental concerns. Ok, those weren't his exact words, but you gotta read between the lines.
Kinda like when he said he would continue to use our money to make wild bets on clean technology companies with financial problems.

Then why do you support the party that blatantly fosters this?

sincerely, I mean I get that culturally the GOP appeals to you but that is purposful to get you to vote against your own best economic interest

I watched it. It was a fairly good reelection speech, if you don't think about it too much. And Ears is a master of the teleprompter.

The one thing I did notice was that Ears may have taken a little too much provigil. Ain't no sumbitch THAT beady eyed naturally.

Chas

I believe that both are wrong and at best would only be a all to short term fix on our energy needs.

Who is to say just because the oil goes through the USA on a pipeline it will stay in the USA? Once it is refined it is sold and goes to where ever. There is a reason the refiners are on the Gulf coast. BTW pipe fitters have the lowest unemployment rate in the nation right now.

Fracking can be an even worst choice for the planet. Everyone should watch Gas Land to see the effects it is doing already. Humans can not live without clean drinking water.


The country that gets the renewable energy problems figured out first will be the power house economy. China and India already know this and are quickly gaining ground on the USA. By hook or crook and we are letting them right now.





Barney

Works for me! ;)

And heck, if it does make the globe warmer, maybe there'll be surfing in Cleveland. :D

Pete

Can't speak for Painter, but I see the GOP as being better for my economic interests.

Or at least l like their line of bullshit better.

Chas

Who could be greener than the fucking Chinese?

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/...tion-in-china/

Chas

What the Chinese are doing with renewable energy research is they are taking the long view. With the ability to look beyond the next election cycle they can look to their needs in 50 to 100 years.



Barney

interesting, why do you think so?

You making the big bucks?

Wow, imagine the celibate Chinese.

I know, I know, sorry :)

I read recently that they are bringing a new medium sized coal fired power plant online every week.

Pete

They appear to be more reasonable concerning government regulations.

And before you accuse me of being naive, the one I hate the worst, and one that really frosts my ass, came out of the Bush administration. RRP.

I suppose it's a matter of whose lies do you prefer?

I gotta go with the Pukes. And the "big bucks" have nothing to do with it. That's a wedge issue, and if you take a good look at ALL of the bastards, it's meaningless.

Chas

Yeah, and the Soviets used to report yearly increases of agricultural productivity to the tune of 300-500%.

Take their claims with a grain of salt.

Dave

They also lay claim to excellent fiscal responsibility. They're full of shit there too.

Dave

Fair enough but that is a slippery slop. Generally speaking government regulation is responsible for the middle class leading a fairly safe and equitable life.

Maybe in the big picture this is not worth basing a vote on?

I'm with you Charles. Many on this site make a h*ll of a lot more sense than the composers of that speech last night. :)

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Then you're leaving the pan............

Dave

Both parties have become disciples of the MMT theory of economics which David advocates. At least in shades of gray.

I go with the Pukes because they tell me the line of shit I prefer, much as you go with the Donks.

When you get right down to it, there ain't too much difference...and any 3rd party that jumps up gets their ass stomped in a crack right quick.

Perhaps if we weren't so partisan, and stupid, we could find a party we could back. One which represented us.

But after watching things, including this forum, all I can say if "fat fucking chance".

We are lemmings.

Chas

I typed my answer and retyped. It's not polite for an old lady to use such words. We have been in a pan. And next year... we'll still be working six months out of the year to make ends meet. Lord willing.

Ma'am, it's always polite to use such words, if none other are descriptive enough.

They all talk a good game, don't they?

Chas

Ditto:rolleyes:

Welll, some of it.:p

If higher levels of unemployment are good for your economic interests, the GOPs desire to balance the budget will ensure it if they get their way.

There's a reason that only Russia and China build vacuum tubes. It's a very nasty business pollution-wise. They just run the shit off in the rivers, and we get nice clean tubes here in the USA without all the guilt.:p

LOL...I NEVER said I thought it would happen. My post wasn't sarcastic enough I guess.
As someone who makes $ on the side speculating on land, I don't need a lecture on this subject...sir.

Have you ever considered that there may be some flaws in Mosler's logic?

Even the likes of Krugman thinks he is wrong to a certain degree.

Chas

The quality of them has come up, too. I had some Sovtek KT88s back in the '90s that didn't last worth a hoot. I sold my amps and got out of tubes because of it. You get tired of replacing the things quick at $32 a pop. But, these Mullard 6BQ5 repros I bought are very impressive, so far. The word is that New Sensor was bought out by an American company.:)

Dave