Worse President of our lifetime, poll
 

Going back to the 60's.

Who do you think?

Had to go with Carter, myself. Books ain't closed on Obama yet.

Chas

im with you but ol LBJ was much worse. i think carter was a victum of fords term

That's REAGAN
 

Sorry to see you learned some of your politics at Woodstock.
I'm sure all the folks there head a clear head at the time.

Feel how you will, I would give my left testicle (as I not using it anyway) to have a guy like Reagan in that fine white house right now.

Hope I didn't offend the ladys, just and old saying from my Airborne days.

early results are a little surprising, I figured this would be a two way race between Bush Jr and Carter with Clinton a distant 3rd.

I hope we get allot of participation it should be interesting.

LBJ was a piece of work, no doubt, probably should have picked him. To be fair to Carter, he was just standing there with a dumb look on his face and got hit from all sides...not much he could do about it.

Which reminds me of another lowbrow joke:

What did Hamilton Jordan and Roslyn Carter have in common?

Chas

I was a Ronnie fan and I liked that he was called Ray-Gun.
Just as a point of reference Woodstock was in 69, Ronnie was elected in 80.
I am not sure what you think I feel but as much as I like Ronnie he is not the man for 2009 but he was good for the 80's. Just an FYI, I don't think we need to know about your busted ball. ;)

Reckon you Airborne guys don't need to use but ONE testicle at a time.

But I'm a bit confused. Someone learned something at Woodstock?

Chas

At least when Clinton was in the budget balanced, employment was at an all time high and there was a surplus, oh yeah my 401k was actually worth summat as well.

My reference to Woodstock, had to do w/ a reference by I think Joan Baez to Ronnie as Ronald Ray-Gun, as he was Govenor of California at the time. I cannot recall for sure as it has been some time since I listened to the album.

Thanks for all your concern, the only thing broken on me currently is my right ankle.

Chas - If you ever wore a T-10 harness, you would feel blessed that either one worked afterward.

carter ? Jimmy Carter ?? really you guys are kidding?

Never wore one, but I don't doubt your word.

Had an old buddy who was Airborne, wouldn't go so far as to call him a wild man, but he damn well did as he pleased.

Gotta go,

Chas

Thats cause the guy only looked after the immediate future and himself. You were lucky enough to be dragged on his coat tails.

I am pointing my fingers, yes all of them at him for The middle east, derivatives
and the me, instant gratification culture that encompasses our nation now.

Sure the guy could talk himself out of fort knox wearing a mask after being caught but that only proves he was a greased pig. And an exceptionally slimmy one at that !

i voted for bush jr. i think he will go down in history as the worst american president of all time. i would still like to see him tried for war crimes.

At the present moment, I'll pick Shrub.... but I really gotta give BHO an "A" for effort to steal the crown!

Lay offa Shrub.

IMHO, he did the best he could with what he had.

Do any of you Monday Morning Quarterbacks think that you could have done any better?

For good, or bad, he stepped up to the plate. What in the hell more can you expect from anyone?

Chas

Have another toke, Buddy. Ain't gonna happen.

Do you really want to see blood running in the streets?

Chas

had to give up toking. too many conservative right-wingers passing laws to legislate my morality.

ain't gonna happen? i'm sure you're right, but i can dream.

blood running in the streets? WTF?

What the hell has gotten into this country, anyways? One President goes outta office & the other side wants to hang him...Happened w/Clinton, & now Bush...Guess they'll be howlin' for Jug Ears, too, when he vacates the premises...

My signature says it all. George W. Bush used our constitution as toilet paper. Patriot Act and its consequences and ramifications, anyone? How about equating dissent with being unpatriotic? (Obama learned and implemented that one early) A foreign policy of "You're either with us or against us"? Lack of meaningful response to Hurricane Katrina? NSA surveillance without warrants? Let's not forget the totally unnecessary war in Iraq. And to finish things off, an unhealthy reliance on SOBs like Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.

Do I think I could have done better? Damn straight. A grade-schooler could have done better. "Is our children learning?"

For bad, he stepped up to the plate and struck out.

What could I expect from a president? Integrity. Truth. Intelligence. Curiosity. Those would be good for a start. I saw no evidence of those qualities in eight years.

George W. Bush was a national embarrassment. I am absolutely ashamed that this joker got to call himself "President" and represented our once-great country as its "leader". If I had my way, Bush, Cheney, and Rove would be in prison cells for the rest of their days.

In fact, I blame Shrub for Obama being in the White House today! Yes! If Bush had not royally screwed things up as badly as he did, the Republicans would have had at least a half a chance to win the presidency in 2008. Thanks to him, people were so turned off by Republicans of any ilk that it would not have mattered who they put up against Obama.

Yes I really do. I believe you as well would have.

The only shortcoming I (and I am guessing You) would have is not be raised with all the contacts baby Bush was. As for actually governing, setting an agenda dealing with tough isues... I believe a great many Americans could have done much, much better.
Just my opinion but I absolutely believe it.

I got to run but I will finish this post latter.

I am torn. There's so many good choices to this answer.

Perhaps you should look into the USMJ Party. With medical cannabis studies going and even my state bringing about the debate, (though the current bobble heads in Des Moines are in the pockets of the Pharm Boys)(Easy Red, different type of Pharmers) that the issue will go nowhere fast.

They are a small but dedicated group, from right here in the heartland.

Just a thought

I was surprised Michigan passed the medical marry jane law with all the pharma stuff we have here. You may be pleasantly surprised too.

Say what you will about George W
 

The man was handed something no other pres ever had to deal with. There was no playbook to follow. 9/11 was our 25th wedding anniversary which makes it rough to feel happy on that day each year.

At least with Pearl Harbor FDR had a fixed enemy with battle lines drawn, and a nation of citizens that did more than watch war on TV.

Seen George the night he was elected, he stayed in the hotel I worked at in Orlando. Okay, here come the comments about the Supreme Clowns giving him the office. Well I can punch the chad allllll the way out, why can't you.

If you do a little research into the Supervisor of elections in that fine part of South Florida, you'll find she lost her job from bullsh*t, in subsequent elections. hhhmmmm.

Funny, the Dems didn't run the bus to the polls by my house that day, WTF. Oh, I was registered Republican at the time, guess they figured I could get to the polls on my own.

I don't condone some of the sh*t he and his buddies have pulled, but quit telling me about the war in Iraq, because your crys to go save Darfur are still ringing in my ears. I guess Saddam wasn't a big enough despot, and didn't kill enough of his own citizens to qualify for removal, the Kurds may disagree.

IMHO, a despot IS a WMD.

iraq was not responsible for 9-11 in case you haven't heard. saddam was a tyrant, but there are many of those. why aren't we toppling their regimes as well?

fact is, bush lied about weapons of mass destruction, and about iraq's connection to terrorism, and used 9-11 as an excuse to finish the job his father started. all about the oil my friend. all else is whitewash.

then he trampled on our civil liberties under the guise of national security, botched the war effort, tortured prisoners with complete disregard of the geneva convention, and added fuel to the fires of those who ARE actually responsible for 9-11. not to mention that he drove our economy into the ground.

oh yeah, there's no doubt in MY mind that he stole the election. for the love of america, his brother was the governer of the state that decided the election. HELLO......

and let us not forget the somewhat less than stellar handling of katrina...

Well, I'm in agreement with you on one thing, it is about the oil.

If it wasn't for the oil, the Arabs would still be riding around on camels and shooting at one another with muzzle loading shotguns. They wouldn't have the time, money, or inclination to be over here causing trouble.

Chas

I've found the perfect candidate for you.

Chas

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2008-...-t-wana-dubie/

:eek:...............

I definitely slept better when Bush was running the show. I wonder how Obama would have handled 911? I guess he would have sat down and had a beer with the Taliban leaders. I'm still waiting for Bidens prophecy of the "test" to come around.

Very good question, and may I add "What the hell is the rest of the "Free" world doing about it"?

The thing that confuses me here is the amount of oil under our own soil, and if as you say he trampled our liberties, could he have just as easily trampled the envionmentalists that fight any attempt to drill for it? Just a thought.

I'm sorry, but once I witnessed a video of an American civilian having his head cut off, or bodies of Americans burned and hung from a bridge, I have complete disregard for any convention, I just can't get passed that!

I am well aware that Jeb was governor, I voted for him. Perhaps the real problem here is the Electoral College process, and The Supreme Clowns, yes?
The way it was handled and scrutinized by the press, I see no way Jeb could have influenced the outcome, perhaps you are aware of something I am not.

I see that you live in Ol Miss, but I am somewhat familiar with hurricanes myself, Erin, Opal, Andrew, Charley, Frances, Jeanne to name a few I had the displeasure to meet face to face. And an F3 Tornado in Feb 98 that ripped right through our county, county hell 1/4 mile north of my house. With that said, the handling of katrina was a failure starting with the citizens themselves, then the Municipal, State and Federal levels, but all I ever hear is how the Feds failed, frankly that is bullsh*t IMHO.

Having mentioned some experiance with storms in a prior post, just thought I would share some photos of a FEMA funded burn I worked at after Charley, through Frances and then Jeanne. This is just one (the smallest) site for our county, the other two had to grind because of the proximity to towns.

This fire was just the trees lost, I did not take photos of the building materials that were eventualy piled here for movement to the landfill. This debris used up 5 years of landfill space, just from Charley.

The contractors hauled from daylight to dark, 7 days a week for 3 months and we never put the fire out, even through Frances and Jeanne. We did not stop operating until the frontal wall of Frances and Jeanne were 12 hours out, Breeeeeeezy it was.

Yes, FEMA was there everyday, along with OSHA and any other Gov't agency that could think up a reason to be there. You could not get a rental car in the Orlando area, for heavens sake. Fortunately, I was a county employee, and could respectfully tell them they had no sway over me.

I can't believe that people are still blaming Shrub for Katrina...everyone knows that this was the work of Karl Rove and his hurricane machine.

A few years ago Cancun was hit by a massive hurricane. And the locals, with a LITTLE help from their government went out, fixed things up, and were back in business PDQ.

Of course, the Mexicans had enough sense not to build Cancun where it was below sea level, and they didn't have Ray Nagin for their mayor.

Besides, everyone had known for years that New Orleans was going to be in big trouble if a giant hurricane hit. And this is Bush's fault?

Chas

I despised Clinton but on 911 I turned to my significant other and said, "I wish Clinton were President now."

And that was before they showed Bush sitting like a fool with the kids after he had been told we are at war.

I thought he handled himself well, what was he supposed to do?

And when I heard about 9-11, I thought to myself,"Thank God Clinton's not president."

But you already knew that, didn't you.

Chas

I agree with you about all the failure but Bush plain and simple did not "get it" or give a shit.

No I did not know that. You are very cerebral and not just a blind party follower. It would not have surprised me if you had agreed with me and it does not surprise me that you don't. I guess that is what makes us unique, two people can process the same info and come up with different answers.

As to what Bush should have done, let me say this.
On 911 I was watching a fire on the top floors of the World Trade Center. After about 15 minutes or so I saw a very low flying plane hit the other tower. I immediately knew (as everyone did) that we were under attack. So I ran to my kids school and got her out. When I was leaving still no one else had gotten to the school to get there kids. I got my medications and was in the car and on my way to the countryside before any bridges on roads were closed. Point is I knew exactly what needed to be done quickly to best protect my child and self.
Then (I don't recall when, at night, the next day whatever) I see the President being told that we are at war. He was not even told that a second plane had hit, they knew better than to let him figure that out on his own and he sat there. And sat there. And sat there.
He should know what to do for the country just like I did know what to do for my family.
There is no excuse on the planet for his lack of immediate response except that he was not qualified to be president that day.

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET UP IMMEDIATELY AND ENGAGE.

[/QUOTE]Interesting. Aren't you a strict constitutionalist?
Seems to me if one is then they would only be consistent if they also honored any agreements we enter into.[/QUOTE]


You are correct, I guess this is just my emotions overriding my intellect.

With that said, I think that a case could be made reference Article 4(A)2(d).
I cannot understand local ordinances, let along international law, but the gov't and lawyers like it that way.

Damn. You smart folks give me a headache. :D

You knew what to do, and did it because you could.

Shrub was already engaged, whether he was sitting there with a bunch of kids, or not. The military and every alphabet agency was working overtime at that point, there was nothing more he could do until he was briefed. And I don't think that anyone really had anything at the time to brief him on.

He stayed calm and kept his mug shut, which, IMHO, was the appropriate thing to do at the time.

Chas