Gaddafi killed?
 

It has not been confirmed, but most of the news outlets are indicating that Gaddafi was killed or seriously wounded in his home town.

Just read in the Boston globe that he was captured by the Libyan NTC.

Perfect. Anyone want to put any money on how quickly Libya will now turn Muslim?

They already are a prominently Muslim country.




Mark another one off the list!

Way ta go U.S.A.! Not too many Americans got hurt getting this done!


Barney

Huge difference between a country with a Muslim population and a Muslim country. Kinda like Iran before and after the revolution. I'm thinking Libya will slowly become another Iran.

I believe that the comparison between Iran and Libya is not a good one. More like Egypt is what I think will happen. In Iran the revolution was driven by the Religious sector and implemented by the students. The U.S was backing the ruling party at the time, just the opposite of what is happening now in Libya.




Barney

I say they'll go more the direction of their neighbors Algeria and Tunisia, and hopefully even further in the direction of Morocco (though doubtful). They have nothing in common with Iran.

As for them being a Muslim country, ..... duh!!! Hell, Indonesia and Turkey are pretty much Muslim countries. BFD.

The Egyptians already attacked the Israeli embassy....

Pete

The population is more westernised re education and outlook.

But there is definitely a radical Muslim fringe looking to export the revolution wherever they can.

Not our problem. BTW, the Egyptians aren't the only ones in the world pissed at Israel. Pretty much everyone but us is.

Virtually every Muslim country has a radical Muslim fringe, even the peaceful, friendly ones (Turkey, Indonesia). Similarly, we have a conservative Christian evangelical fringe (and Mormons) wishing to convert others to their beliefs.

Yup, but none of the countries you mention are just clawing their way out of a revolution....

The US knows that. I believe we are much smarter now than we were in Afghan/Soviet times. We went to bed with Bin Laden then. I bet we have guys on the ground in Libya getting intelligence and making sure this thing goes our way.

How you figure that? They totally screwed up both Iraq and Afghanistan.

BTW I noticed that the media has not commented on the appearence of the prisoners involved in the recent 1000:1 swap. The arabs all looked pretty healthy whereas the Israeli looks like death warmed over. Says a lot about the arabs humanitarian principles.:rolleyes:

Turkey peacefully sends blockade runners to another country? That's an act of war. I realise that Israel has been bombing Turkey :rolleyes:

Many arabs hate the Jews. They'd kill them all and celebrate.

Pete

True enough, Erik. But's what's the alternative? We couldn't rely indefinitely on despots running the Middle Eastern countries in a fashion that kept their people down while acquiescing to our foreign policy desires. It just isn't sustainable (or just).

Why not? That's been US policy for decades! Works great in Saudi Arabia.

The "blockade" was in international waters and the ship contents were humanitarian. Spin it as you wish, but Israel and the US are the only ones who thought what Israel did was right.

Of course, the keeping of despots in power has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism, 9/11, etc. they just did that cause they hate democracy, our freedoms, etc... ;)

I guess the fear of rescue he had to be hidden hence lack of light and exercise. However regardless of how one feels about Israel one has to admire the Israelis. 1000 to 1.

We just need to get the hell outta that whole area, drill our own wells, deal with terrorist as they knock on our door, and start taking care of our own people.

Is that what used to be called the American Way?

When we got sucked into WWII we stood up and made the war machine happen. We tapped our own resources and kicked ass. We still have most all the resources we need right here in this country. We just need to start using them again and quit stealing it from other countries around the world.

We have Steel, Oil, Timber and most the other raw materials we need.. We keep saying we're saving it for a rainy day.. well how bad does this hurricane need to get before they realize "IT'S RAINING!"?

Finn, the UN ruled Israels' blockade 'legal'.

Pete

Re the emergence of radical muslims in control. Historically Afghanistan is difficult (why we should have left that to the Soviets), Iraq even and inspite of Bush's subterfuge we have manage to keep the radicals from power.

I figure with Libya it should be much easier with an educated and western looking population. Ironically Gaddafi did a fairly good job in modernising his infrastructure and providing secular education for both genders.

What we are doing also in Libya is keeping the radicals close in our "sight".

"A long-awaited United Nations review of Israel’s 2010 raid on a Turkish-based flotilla in which nine passengers were killed has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate. But it said that the way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/wo...2flotilla.html

It seems that the blockade was legal, but the methods they use to enforce it were not.

It's kinda like saying that the cop legally pulled you over for speeding, but was excessive when he gave you three warning shots to the back of the head instead of a ticket.;)

If you've seen the footage, those soldiers were very surprised when attacked by pipes etc. They were not expecting violence.

I'm curious - what should a US soldier do if attacked?

Pete

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_896434.html

Are you gonna pull up some totally irrelevant post regarding Canada in every thread, or just certain ones?

I could be wrong, but so far, it certainly looks like we're managing this one a lot better than either of those. May turn out that some of the folks running things have had a few thoughts about this already and have some plan to move forward. It seems a good deal less made up as we go along.

The whole "they'll welcome us as liberators" deal works a lot better when they call up and say "hey, little help liberating us?"

Well, the population of Iraq was also educated and westernized a generation ago. Saddam also provided education for both genders and kept the religious nuts at bay. Until we went in and cut them loose.

If you're saying that outlawing prayer in schools is a good idea, I'm down with that.

I guess the hope is that Obama can run a war better than Bush? Dems make better warriors than Republicans?

Well, this is, I admit, a gross over-simplification, but smart people manage complex plans better than dumb people. I'm guessing that had Al Gore been President on 9/11 we wouldn't be talking about Iraq and Afghanistan so much right now. We would have a prosperous country with a bunch of red necks whining about Gore being a "pussy".

LMAO! Even Pres Clinton would've loved to take Saddam out. And it was the Dems that put a kibbosh on mortgage reform.

Pete

You folks do realize that Hillary was in Libya two days ago and the Ghaddafi just showed up dead, eh? Methinks he got the Vince Foster treatment.:eek:

BAM!


:D She must be as tough as she looks.

Pete

Fixed that Pete.

Is Canada off limits? There are real problems in Canada that pertain to the muslim population. FREE speech here. :)