ted kennedy rip
 

i didnt aggree with him. mr. kennedy served this nation for many years and all americans could learn from his example in that respect. i would like to pay my respects here to him although we did not share the same views i admire his service and thank him.


rest in peace Edward Kennedy

Eric & Erin

Here, here. I didn't agree w/him either politically, but an era truly has passed...

Sorry but he was a murderer who hid behind his party and family name.

That's a bit cold and inaccurate.

But just a little bit inaccurate (according to Blackstone).

Dad always told us if we had nothing good to say about a feller while he's living .... then the fact that he's dead don't change shit.

Guess I don't feel nothin' for him folks. ;)

Lauriann's folks live in Barnstable, which is like a couple of miles from Hyannisport, where the Kennedy Compound is. We were just up there about 6 weeks ago, visiting her parents, & me & her brother went to Hyannis to grab a pizza one night. We had a few minutes to kill, so I asked him if we could drive by & I could see The Compound. Sure, he says, & we drive by-You can't really get all that close, but you could sorta see where it is. Still, it was kinda neat to think of all the history that had happened because of that place. It is in a VERY "Hoity-Toity" section, they rent out beach houses, I reckon I could afford to spend MAYBE 15 minutes in one of 'em...(grin)

Gonna be tough to fill his shoes. Now we gotta have an election within 160 days.

Just the mention of his name to a snotty bureaucrat got my Dad's pension checks in the mail.

RIP, sir.

I am listening. Please tell me why ?

I am of the mind that while he was a senator from my state who did manage to compromise and work with people to get things done, there was really no excuse for his behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

I think his legal obligations were grossly mismanaged due to influence and his name, Whether he was absolved from his moral obligations in the matter are known but to God.

Seems like the family paid dearly for power...not to mention the women who married them. I agree its an end to an era. Caroline Kennedy Slossburg's attempt in New York was a fiasco.

I don't think he was a murderer, but most anyone else would have been charged with manslaughter.

Chas

i'm sorry for his loss to his family, but i'm glad he is no longer a senator. the man has served for longer than i have been alive. there should be term limits.

Exactly- the man got things done. That is the job. He didn't just talk about things, he did them. I heard the quote again today- GW Bush on Ted Kennedy. Wish I could find it, but he said something about Ted being one of the most effective legislators. He got things done. He worked across party lines and got legislation passed. He worked with Bush a couple of times and got things done. He found the common ground and put it in to action.

Term limits have gotten California into one hell of a mess. No one needs to be accountable in the long term because they won't be around to clean up the mess they're making. Sounds good sometimes, but in actual practice, they suck.

That's how I see it.

maybe you're right, but career politicians suck as well. power corrupts, and the longer someone is in power, the more they are corrupted. i think it's inevitable.

I thought the media took Michael Jackson's death over the top. But this is turning into the biggest circle jerk that I've ever witnessed. As far as I'm concerned, a funeral is a very private matter. At least it is for me.

I'll be glad when it's over.

Chas

I've been thinkin'-Yeah, I know, that's ALWAYS dangerous, at least in MY case-& I've come to the conclusion that I don't think I'd wanna trade my miserable, mediocre, worthless life for a Kennedys' life..."The Compound"-Sure it would be neat to have a private place all to yrself on a paradise like Cape Cod- But Teddy couldn't do what Kevin & I did that night-Pop into the local pizzaria, & grab a pizza. He couldn't go loafin' at the local hardware store, shoot the sh!t w/the other ol' geezers sittin' out front, go take a swim at the local beach, whatever...a compound could also be called a "cage", in a lot of ways. The locals pretty much tried to take care of the Kennedys, & I think the Kennedys were friendly w/most of 'em, but still...You really weren't allowed to talk to them, much beyond a "Good Morning !" Ain't no way to live, to me...

At least Ted was of some "real" value to sociaty.

A pedophile disturbed freak that only kept the masses entertained has only negative impact on sociaty.

I saw part of the Mass today and felt just a little shitty about being Catholic. At first I thought Christ had come back and been crucified again.

As a Catholic...I was shocked NOT hear the mention of Joan (his first wife) as a mourner (she was in attendance) If anything... for the childrens sake According to doctrine...She remains his wife. Things have changed. But I did enjoy Placido Domingo and Yoyo Ma.

I thought the main guy did pretty good. Was he a Bishop, or Cardinal? I'm sure he will be forgiven all his sins, it just seems odd to me that the church made such a big deal, what with his view on abortion (murder in the eyes of the church, or so I thought).

Where was the separation of CHURCH and STATE. It sounded like a political rally to me....praying for health care passage (Lord hear our prayer) and other political issues? Hubby said...money talks. I didn't watch all of it...munchkin grandsons came for lunch.

No doubt it will play through the week. And before all the critics start...we're Catholics scrutinizing the handling of what used to be a somber, respective, family experience in the Catholic Church. Not an acadamy awards event.

A political rally??? You're kidding???

They did it with Wellstone, why should this be any different. The Donks are bad about displaying a corpse to score political points...IMHO pretty tacky, but it works for them. And I'm sure Teddy wouldn't have minded.

Did the same thing here in Missouri when "Saint Mel" was killed in an airplane crash..."he was busy doing the peoples work". And it did "work", his vidder beat Ashcroft in the election.

A little info on what really happened. Mel was leaving a fundraiser in St. Louis, on his way to another fundraiser in the Bootheel. One of his boys was flying the plane, they left during a severe thunderstorm, and his kid wrecked the plane.

Then his family sued the airplane manufacturer, claimed the "artificial horizon" wasn't working. The manufacturer settled for a little over a million to make them go away. Personally, I think if his idiot son would have had enough sense NOT to take off in a thunderstorm (I believe at night), or they had hired a pilot who knew what he was doing, St. Mel would still be around. And Ashcroft would probably still be the Senator.

Doing the peoples work my ass.

Chas

I had a great respect for the Kenedys and particularly Ted and when I read your post it just reinforces stereotypes that I don't want to have in my head.

Suggestion, look at the positive in life.

Then don't read my posts. They are MY opinion. I am not going to consider your thoughts or what your feelings will be about them before making them. You have a problem with women? You are very tolerant to the men who make posts here. I suggest you re-read your posts on Sarah Palin. I'm here... accept it. :mad:

You don't need to consider my feeling, you never have and I would never expect it. I did notice that you expect different. Why?
You may want to check the spirited posts between Twodogs, Eric and myself before playing a victim.
When I ask you particulars, you are insulted. When you are rude and I respond you are appalled. When you post what I consider intolerant fault finding stereotyped posts I will call you out. Clearly you want to vent one sided superficial "opinions" and for me to praise them. It's not gonna happen.

I will continue to read your posts and respond as I see fit. There is no need to become upset when I ask a question. No one else here has. As I said before I question to learn and indeed I do.

As to Sarah, I have never had such contempt for a politician. She contradicts all that I have taught my children. It's not OK to have a kid at 44 knowing the risks, it is not OK to get pregnant in high school. It is not acceptable to not know basic science, history and culture. It is not OK to use your family as a prop. And it is not OK to close your mind to knowledge.
I will challenge her or anyone who displays such traits and wants to represent others.

I am glad you are going nowhere but I do hope you stop feeling the victim while trying to hold me responsible. It was not I who responded out of anger and posted sincere Pm's.
Facts are facts, no one stands up to more challenging posts here than I do.


Anyway, I know by now you don't understand but I sincerely wish you the best and hope you stop taking differing opinion posts as personal.

I don't see where you're out of line at all.

BTW, has anyone else ever been to a Masonic funeral? Very simple, lots of ritual, they give the deceased name, a list of his accomplishments, and an adios. They say nothing good, or bad, and treat the great and not so great the same.

Very even handed...and once the Grimm Reaper calls, we all truly will be the same.

Dead...it's coming.

Chas

Now re-read my post. It was about the changes in the Catholic Church.

Not meant to reinforce stereotypes that you don't want in your head! :eek:

I suggested you not read my posts if that's the outcome of them. :)

OK.

<<<<<<<<<Where was the separation of CHURCH and STATE.>>>>>>>>>>>>

The church has always taken political stances, government is not supposed to under our constitution.


<<<<<<<<<<<It sounded like a political rally to me>>>>>>>>>>>>

This honestly sounds like an unhappy Fox talking head finding fault with the coverage a deceased liberal is receiving.



<<<<<<<<<<<....praying for health care passage (Lord hear our prayer)>>>>>>>>>>.

Had to interpret this as anything other than you are upset at the ceremony of a man who had always championed (what I am sure the Church feels is an imperative moral) health care.


<<<<<<<<<<<,,,,,and other political issues? >>>>>>>>>>>>

again, sounds like a Fox talking head exasperated that there is another view on things.


<<<<<<<<<<<Hubby said...money talks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Didn't you mean that the Kennedy's had coerced the church into adapting a political agenda for cash?


<<<<<<<<<<<<I didn't watch all of it...munchkin grandsons came for lunch.>>>>>>>>

That's just nice and what life is about. Hope they are always healthy and safe.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<No doubt it will play through the week.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sounds like you are frustrated that Kennedy will receive so much coverage.

<<<<<<<<<<< And before all the critics start...we're Catholics scrutinizing the handling of what used to be a somber, respective, family experience in the Catholic Church. Not an acadamy awards event.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Seems like you have decided how the Kennedy's and the church should conduct a funeral and find fault with both.


Sorry if I am wrong but this is how I read your post, I honestly can think of no other interpretation even after your request to reevaluate it.

Didn't see the funeral so I can't comment on it. We plan on no service, no viewing, simple cremation and that's it.

One memory that sticks is during an uncle's funeral I was returning from the men's room. I saw an onion lying on the top step. Now if you need to resort to that for fake tears . . .

My best friend died a few years back, he was my best friend since I was one year old (literally). Closer to me than my own brother.
He had no service, no viewing, simple cremation and that's it.

I bothers me to this day. I guess what I am saying is that at least to me in this one case having a forum to grieve would have been a little easier for me.

Just my two cents.

I like your plans, I've given the same directions in regards to me. I don't like blood sucking funeral directors, idiot ministers preaching hellfire and damnation, and three ring funerals with cretins playing music on a ghetto blaster, turning balloons loose, etc.

As far as crying at my demise. I doubt that hardly anyone will cry, even if they pound haberanos up their noses.

Chas

It's apparent you don't watch Fox. They've been carrying on like Rupert Murdoch just died, and gave everyone a big bonus in his will.

Chas

On the weekend I mostly just watch sports.

I stand by the theme of post and I know you understood it. :cool:

You KNOW it had to eat on ol' Teddy though...Jack was President, he stared the Russkies down over "Cuber"...Bobby had a good chance of becoming President, too, & HE stared down Jimmy Hoffa, which might have taken more cajones than staring down the Russkies, in a way. Teddy...Well, he got some civil rights legislation passed, he got to roar & rail at the hapless Republicans, and he...Well, he also accomplished..Getting re-elected a BUNCH of times...Uhh, he got civil rights legislation passed, and, uhhh....Did we mention Civil Rights Legislation ? Solly, Cholly, erm- Teddy, you just WEREN'T in the same league as yr brothers....

civil rights what about the rights of all the victums of the violent "hobgoblins"
ted kennedy sold out his own race you can bet ol Joe wouldnt have liked that one bit

My aunt died a few years ago. Everyone expected the typical packed-to-the-rafters-with-friends-and-relatives Polish wake, funeral, funeral Mass, burial, and a gathering afterwards, complete with food.

What she got instead, courtesy of her oldest son, was a thirty minute wake/viewing, a ten-minute service, a private cremation, and then her remains got poured into the local river. She didn't even get buried next to her husband (who died over 20 years ago and still has no grave marker). Made an awful lot of relatives VERY angry and upset, especially my Dad.

I could go on, but I won't bother. All I'll say is that there's nowhere near enough respect for the dead, never mind the living.

even though im an atheist i do belive in prayer and i would like to say that i offer my prayers for your dad what the son did was a crime.