As the worm turns....
 

And turn it did.

Here in Ohio, the last Governor, Ted Strickland, lost the election. The new Governor, John Kasich, is going nuts with new ideas, trying to both balance the budget (8 bil in the hole!) and make Ohio into something not resembling a has-been state.

As I watched some of the budget proceedings (not really paying attention) I got to thinking. Back when Strickland was first elected, the papers were saying the GOP here was working with him because he was such a rising star, so good, that they wanted to help him upwards - to get rid of him.

Then kablooie the economy went south. Not his fault. But, all he did was defend the status quo and use everything from one time money to smoke and mirrors to keep from cutting the budget.

Not very excellent of him.

It turns out, he's a good wonk. Interestingly though right now, across the land, it's the left that is the institutional party. Fighting tooth and nail - to keep things the same.

The GOP has become the party of change.

Just an observation :)

Pete

Hope you enjoy paying higher taxes (fees) so the wealthy don't have to.
Don't believe it?
Watch what happens.

Dave

Didn't the Dem Congress take care of that already?

Pete

No. The new congress did. Whatever shortfalls occur due to the maintenance of the "Bush" tax cuts will be made up by us little people in the end. Watch.

Besides, I was referring to the state level anyways.

Dave

Fixed it for ya.:p

Lol thanks Rob ;)

Blue, you're absolutely right, I meant Obama.

Pete

I think, unless the GOP runs someone truly awful, Obamas gonna be a one term Pres.

Pete

The trouble is (for the GOP) is that nearly everyone in the running meets that qualification.

The trouble is, for the Dems, I believe far too many people have been convinced that Obama is far worse than he really is. And because of this, the GOP could run Satan and he would win. Horns, cloven hooves, pitch fork and all.

Dave

And that's all that matters to the adamantly myopic, isn't it?

Dave

Nah, it's all that matters to the GOP! D-uh ;)

I'm not tooooooo worried about the candidate. Remember Clinton?

Pete

Heck Obama for that matter!

Pete

Given that neither side wants to make cuts to the big three, they are, in effect, playing with loose change.

I wouldn't be so sure. He is good at campaigning and still has a favorable press. I hope that he is clearly defeated in 2012. Of course, like the peanut farmer, we will then be listening to him for the next 30-40 years. I'm still amazed that he was elected in 2008 over Hillary. The idiot McCain helped that happen.

So we can keep the current version of awful in the White House, or elect new awful in 2012. I'll take the latter, because that's change I can believe in.:p

It will, of course, again be the choice between the lesser of two evils. Maybe the GOP will offer up something better than McCain/Palin. OTOH, if Tea Party influence puts somebody like Gingrich, Bachmann, Palin, or Trump anywhere near the ballot, you may as well resign yourself to a second Obama term.

I think they still need more convincing...and I will help in this educational process in any way I can. :)

We have a winner.

I know you like him, but I'm not sure your one vote will carry him over the line. Obama beating Trump would be a cakewalk of epic proportions, probably bigger than his margin over McCain. However, Trump doesn't have a snowball's chance in Phoenix of getting the nomination.

Trump? Pffffttt! I think I just puked a little.

Dave

Really? Lets watch those gas prices go up. Don't forget, he has dirt on EVERY politician. WTF...another term of this? You have got to be kidding...LOL!!!
I will make a bet with you that Obama doesn't get a second term if you're interested...?

Trump is an ass. I guess that's why you like him-----birds of a feather and all that....

"Yaw fiyed!!!"

Dave

Let's see who's nominated first. If it's Trump, I'd gladly wager a bit.

And Obama is better? Please explain to the audience why you feel this way?

You won't just bet on the Dem's?

What positive contribution has Trump ever made? Other than enriching himself and running the cost of real estate in New York beyond the reach of anyone but rich Arabs? Are you really going to point towards Atlantic City?

BTW, I am not all that impressed with Obama either. But if I have to chose between Obama and Trump?----Say hello to another four years.

"Yaw fiyed!"

Dave

+1. This pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

What about all the damn tax revenue? WTF has that POS in the White House contributed? You didn't answer my question. All you did is rant like a Lib...like you always do.
Again, why is Obama better?

The Donald has had more "five minutes of fame" than Carter has pills. I'm betting that this toe in the water candidacy is little more than yet another publicity stunt. The subject has already consumed as much bandwidth in this forum as Palin does in any given week, so it must be working as planned.

It boils down to who is electable. Obama has proven he is electable, regardless of what you think of his current performance. I think Trump is unelectable for a myriad reasons, not the least of which is his overblown ego (and hair).

It does? I thought the idea was to elect the best person for the job. As far as performance, there hasn't been any and that's the point.
What about the Prez's thin skin?... That's not an ego issue?
Stop with the apologies, it's getting old already.

I'm not apologizing for anyone. I'm just pointing out the folly of supporting Trump. The inertia of a sitting President is quite strong (no matter who it is). I think it relates to the devil you know vs. the devil you don't know. It will take a much better candidate than Trump to unseat Obama. I doubt he could win the GOP primary in any state, including his home state (which wouldn't matter anyway as it will vote Democratic).

My, my....Getting a little hot are we? Arguing about this with you would be senseless as the things I see as positive are things you would likely despise. His support of organized labor being one, tenuous as it might be. And, I also admire his ability to maintain his composure under intense political fire. He has been under such intense fire starting long before he even won the election. Mostly from freaked out Republicans who still can't believe the American people DIDN'T choose one of their superhuman, square jawed caucasian, Great American, anal-retentive supermen and his ditzy fish pummeling VP candidate.:rolleyes:

The point is that Trump has done nothing for anyone but himself, ever. 200 lbs of pompous, arrogant, conceited, self-serving jackass under a bad hairdo. The reason Barrack Obama is better is because he isn't Donald Trump. Obama may be lame, but Trump is an asshole. "Lame", to my mind is the lesser of two evils.

Do you want the rest of America to look like Atlantic City?

Clear enough?

"Yaw fiyed!"

Dave

No, that was not clear or rational. Again, why is Obama better than Trump? That's just politics, not skill. The fire has not even been lit yet!
Also, why do you hate white people?
Check out the caring, compassionate left. To all of you who think the left isn't all about money, listen to this guy. Hell, he hates people who earn it, yet he will stop at nothing to plunder your wealth. This is the venom and goal of the left...right here folks.

And this is "clear and rational"?

I don't hate white people, that's ridiculous. I don't even hate Trump, I just recognize him for what he is----A guy who screws people over to enrich himself and no one else. Is there anyone you hate, I wonder?

Of course the left is about money. Everyone is, to some degree. I am, you are, everybody is.

Why don't you tell me why you think Trump would be so great? Because he created a few jobs in the gambling, drinking and whoring around industries?:rolleyes:

Almost forgot---"Yaw fiyed!"

Dave

And one other thing; Holy crap what was that? Whoa, that was clo

Ha, ha!

A monster lightning bolt hit close, then a second one hit even closer. The power went out for a while. I love violent electrical storms!

Dave

McCain did very well in 2008, considering the GOP name was mud. Think about it.

I saw what running on the status quo did to Strickland. Unless there are some serious changes it'll do the same for Obama, and with each passing day he's alienating his zealot base.

Pete

Frankly it does not matter which loser the GOP picks for 2012, they have already crapped in their own nest. I doubt that whoever they run will garner more than 5% of the independent voters.

Instead of creating jobs - as they promised - they are farting and fiddling around trying to kill NPR and PBS, twiddling away at budget items that don't amount to squat.

Where are all the new jobs?? Inquiring minds want to know.

Instead they have a bunch of idiot boy governors handing out pink slips and generally pissing people off. The next elections in Wisconsin and Ohio will see the Dems take over the governor's mansion and I would not be surprised to see a few other heads roll. These horse's patoots seem to forget that public employees also pay taxes and what's more they also vote.

People wake up to the silly games the GOP play, the recent governorial election here in Maryland proved that. Bobby Haircut kept saying he had not raised taxes, but the voters said no , you just raised fees and as far as they were concerned it all came out of the same pocket, no matter what you call it. He lost by a wide, wide margin. Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice and shame on me.

Remember Bill Clinton - in 1991? ;)

Pete