Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI
 

F#$king unreal! I guess it's the norm for Pussy Dem's. You public sector union types may end up being burned out of your homes if this crap doesn't stop.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

or maybe they'll start shooting back

be careful

What a bunch of Pussys! Dem's are such cowards...as we all know.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/upda...linois-resort/

Really? How about you and me meeting up and working this out?

Hell no, it was a ballsy move. I was cheering when I heard it. Let those GOP goofs who want to trample on employee rights listen to the crowds for another day or two. Hey, it worked in Egypt.:cool:

Regards,

D-Ray

OK...LOL! I guess WI. could put the Muslim Brotherhood in the mansion. :D I'm not sure they're union types though.

I thought so, too.

The Republican Party, the Muslim Brotherhood - they're both a bunch of varmits. If that was the choice, it would be the lesser of two weevils.

Regards,

D-Ray

Yeah, it's the cowards that stand up and fight to protect their interests.:rolleyes: Real Americans just shut up, take their lumps and do as they're told.

Tell me something;
What do you think people work for, if not to make a living and build up a retirement? What, it's just supposed to be our patriotic duty to bust ass every day and expect nothing in return? We're supposed to bow and scrape for chump change-------why? Personal pride? It's the "moral" thing to do?

I have no qualms with telling you how I feel.......FUCK THAT!

Dave

Let's not forget the two Republicans who jumped ship.

Wonder what the 60% of teachers who DIDN'T call in sick think of this?

Chas

I have had it with the imbeciles.
Your post is exactly part of the problem. Do you realize even your owners laugh at you?

The way those GOP twits would like it is that we all have our number tattooed on our foreheads, work our arse off until we can't any longer, then die like the Gov of Colorado once opined. Note that it is always the ones with both front feet in the public trough who want to cut everyone else's bennies.

Well, since we're letting the expletives fly, here's my $0.02:

I have no qualms with anyone making as much as they possibly can - pay, benefits, retirement, whatever - within the limits of what the market will bear. Wisconsin has been dealing with public sector unionization long enough to recognize the problem: the unions and the politicians have gotten in bed with each other, and the taxpayers are paying the ever increasing bill. The equation - capitulating to wage, benefit and pension demands = campaign contributions - has left most states and the Fed Gov't in a situation where wages and benefits for public sector employees have risen significantly above private sector wages and benefits for jobs with similar skills and qualifications.

Wisconsin and my home state of MI have gaping holes in the budget: the government in this state has continued to become more expensive every year while the state's population has been declining year after year. (We're losing 2 seats in the House of Representatives as a result.) Rather than right-size government to reflect the declining population, we decided to raise taxes on business in the middle of a recession to keep government afloat, including continuing to fund high wages, rich benefits and pensions for state employees.

Unemployment in Wisconsin is just shy of 8% (in MI, its off the map!). Many of those working have continued working through pay freezes, reductions to health benefits, or faced lay-offs and taken jobs to try and keep making ends meet during a recession. God forbid the civil servants take a wage cut or freeze, pay more for health care. Just let the strapped citizens of WI pay the extra freight every year, whether they're working, underemployed or unemployed.

The Federal House and Senate Republicans opposed the stimulus, and opposed health care reform. But at least they SHOWED UP, PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS, AND LET THEIR "NO" VOTE BE RECORDED. They didn't leave DC, get on a bus and hold themselves up in a RESORT while ducking their responsibilities to the citizens.


I have no qualms with telling you how I feel about the public sector unions and their lap dog politicians.......FUCK THAT!

EDIT: this is illustrative of the unsustainable situation in MI with wages and benefits for teachers. http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/12874. Combine this with the fact that in many school districts, teachers don't pay any portion of their health care premium, and have no co pay or deductibles.

But don't you see, its all about the kids and giving them a better education. :rolleyes:

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-021...,4838415.story

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/14584

Hold on to your hat, Whell. For the most part, I agree with your take on the Wisconsin issue. I wrote a post a month or so back that read much the same way (you friggin' plagiarist :D).

There are a couple of things that give me pause WRT to the Wisconsin situation. From what I understand, one of the first actions the new Gov took was to cut taxes from high income individuals and businesses. Now it seems like he intends to balance the books on the backs of public sector employees who have wages/benefits based upon existing collecting bargaining agreements with the state. It seems reasonable that the teachers feel that he has reneged on an existing agreement in order to afford tax cuts for his cronies. Right or wrong, that's a reasonable perception.

Then he doesn't demand similar concessions from police and firemen. This seems somewhat akin to the GOP at the national level not wanting to touch defense spending. It reeks of jingoisim IMHO. If things are bad enough to warrant unilateral trashing of a CBA, then the police/firemen should also be subject to the ax.

Lastly, the manner in which he undertook his actions. It seems to me if you intend to back out of a collective bargaining agreement (even a bad one), you don't do it unilaterally. It must be negotiated in good faith.

Accordingly, I'm of two minds on this one. The Governor's Rambo style seems as much the problem as the intrasigence of the unions.

No, this is substance over style. The same crap is starting here in MI, and Gov Snyder is taking much more the nice - guy approach. I've sure that if Walker had sent the union flowers and candy they would have crapped all over it.

When you state that public sector wages and benefots have outstripped the private sector is one way of looking at the situation. ANother way, and a more accurate way of stating the problem is thhat private sector wages (for the woorkig stiff) have not kept pace with inflation, and in fact have declined relative to 15 years ago.

Now if y'all want to swallow the GOP lies hook line and sinker, go right ahead as it is interesting to watch considering that I always believed screwing oneself was a physical impossibility.

Perhaps so. But in the court of public opinion and for the sake of appearing to act in good faith, the Gov needs to try to give the unions an opportunity to offer concessions. When and if they stonewall, then you put the hammer down.

If the WI governor loses this battle, style will have played a role IMHO. In the eyes of many, he appears to be dead set on busting the union as much as on getting his fiscal house in order. People that may otherwise support him may side with the unions for this reason alone. Like it or not, in politics style/tactics matter.

We'll see. Of course, if the unions prevail in WI, MI, OH and elsewhere, we'll conclude that style matters not, and the wishes of the voters matter not.

no we won't, you will

I agree with you and the governor of WI on this one.

federal and state employees are not the same as auto workers and truckers for example

Au contraire, mon ami. If the Gov loses in WI, it may ultimately be because of style. Contrast his style to that of the NJ Gov Christie. Christie seems to be a cheerful warrior (a la Reagan), whereas the WI Gov seems petulant.

As for the wishes of the voters, my guess is that voters prefer a non-confrontational, mature approach to such matters. This is not what's happening in WI. Asking the teachers to pay part of their health insurance and retirement premiums is perfectly reasonable. The manner in which he did it is not (IMHO, of course). In politics, style often trumps substance (for better or worse).

Walker's opponent ran a weak campaign last year. We walked straight into the lion's mouth. He is an embarrassment to the state, much like Senator Joseph McCarthy was.

You make a compelling argument. Very well thought out and logical.

But, really, is this any different than the Republicans in Washington using the Filibuster a record number of times to defeat legislation supported by the majority party? I guess it is different in one way- there are tens of thousands of citizens demanding this be stopped outside their window, rather than a few lobbyists in a hotel suite.

Subtlety has always been one of his strong points.:rolleyes:

Wonder if the Republicans will change their campaign slogan from "you're taxes are too high" to "you're getting paid too much"?

It sure as hell is. The Republicans actually had to report to work to Fillibuster. They didn't hold up in resort and pout.

Neither are these guys. The "resort" guy was on a radio show I listen to this morning. He ain't in a resort. I know this is hard to believe, but the Republicans have been a little misleading in an effort to make their opponents (who, apparently, are working men and women) look bad.

It would be kind of like saying these Republicans are just trying to break Unions and are using a financial crisis, that they intentionally exacerbated, as an excuse to do so… wait. No, it wouldn’t be like that at all. That’s exactly what they’re doing.

It’s just kind of amazing to me. “The People” elected a President who said he would reform health care. When he actually did, and the Republicans opposed him, they were doing a great job. But when the people oppose a Draconian measure, forwarded under false and misleading pretense, with tens of thousands marching in the street in their support, they’re somehow subverting the will of the people.

I should add- I have no love for the Teacher's Union. But this isn't the way to deal with it.

Speaking as a former teacher the way to solve the problem is to get all the soi-dissent experts out of the f**king way and let teachers teach, and that include you too Arne.

Well, I'll stick with the "resort" thing, unless you can get the Wisconsin papers to retract their story. :rolleyes: In fact, it really looks like quite a nice place.

http://www.clocktowerresort.com/

BS, BS, BS. And just so we're clear: BS! That's the story line that the unions and their lap dogs want to put forth. If we're to subscribe to that logic, then it would NEVER be OK to impact the pay or benefits of most any civil servant, cuz that would be union busting.

I just love the spin. Our masters of smart in federal and state government spend all the money in the kitty and max out their "credit cards". Then the public comes along and throws those bums out, and the folks on the left scream that they have no plan, they're full of BS, and predicted failure. Now that the newly elected folks are implementing their plans, the wailing and nashing of teeth and name calling begins.

For any organization, including government, cost of labor is the number one controllable cost. If you're trying to balance the budget, it is the logical place to start looking.

OK, I'm game. How do you propose to reduce government's payroll costs so that they are more in line with the government sector, and/or reduced accordingly when the state's population decreases?

"BS, BS, BS. And just so we're clear: BS! That's the story line that the unions and their lap dogs want to put forth. If we're to subscribe to that logic, then it would NEVER be OK to impact the pay or benefits of most any civil servant, cuz that would be union busting."

No, that's precisely what it is, and has been for a long time. This is just the beginning, there will be more.

Orwell was right----------"Slavery is Freedom", or in todays context;

"A workforce with no voice is a happy workforce. And you will agree or you will end up blackballed and homeless."

Welcome to the New World Order.:(

Dave

If the population decreases then the government workforce will naturally decrease, n'est ce pas? What normally happends to any business that loses customers, unfortunate but normal.

So where has WI been pissing waway all this money that they got so far in the hole?

Funny thing is that Maryland is managing quite well thak you very much, but then we don't have a union busting governor.

At least you GOOPers are consistent in following Saint Ronnie's "let's bust the unions and kill off the middle class" ideas.

Unless, of course, you're in Michigan. Michigan, and I strongly suspect other states as well (IL comes to mind), reduction of government has not occurred commensurate with reduction of state population.

Maryland is not unique. They are facing the same budget shortfalls due to unfunded pension liabilities (employment costs) that most other states are. I guess its only "union-busting" when a Republican does it? :rolleyes:

http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/2...ces-major-cuts

High wages, rich benefits and pensions? Where do I apply? Sounds like it's great being a part of your problem!:p

The market won't bear anything, when the mode of operation is always to seek the lowest price structure and highest possible profit margins regardless of the impact on the humans involved. Look where all of the jobs are going....THAT'S a function of your "market" my friend. It leads----down. and not just for unionized public sector employees----for all of us.It just hits them now, because they are tax supported. Michigan lost it's tax base because the main industry went elsewhere chasing cheaper labor and greater margins. Pressuring the state to make cuts. You say they are overcompensated? Okay, fine. I can see that. But, where does it end? Started with autoworkers (In your state.), now public employees, and once the machine gets rolling who will be next? You? Me? Who will be the next "parasite" that the "business interests" and it's tools on the right focus their derision on?

It's really not all that hard to see. If you're paying attention, and staying focused on the trend.

More dark days to come. Bet on it.

Dave

Could this be the Gov's problem?

I guess it takes guts to stand up to the "union-government complex." I'm also pretty sure it wasn't Tea - Party types who are responsible for this:

http://www.idahopress.com/news/artic...cc4c002e0.html

Oh, the humanity.

People tend to get twisted up a bit when the rewards they work for are being threatened, don't they? Threatening the guys family is a bit much, but I understand the anger.

Dave

We really don't know who was responsible for that conduct do we? I know what you want to believe, but that doesn't make it the truth.

Regards,

D-Ray

Good to hear from a solid citizen of the state of Wisconsin. It was difficult for me to believe that this type of union busting was coming out of the state.

Without a doubt, this is union busting. It is not simply a matter of tough bargaining - it is a matter of stripping away collective bargaining rights for citizens of Wisconsin.

Regards,

D-Ray