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Combwork 02-11-2011 12:10 PM

Coming around again.
 
Whoppee! That nasty Egyptian dictator has been replaced with a warm benevolent military government that will of course hold free and fair elections 'when the time is right'. So that's alright then. Everything peaceful. Muslim Brotherhood? Never heard of them.

Charles 02-11-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Combwork (Post 54485)
Whoppee! That nasty Egyptian dictator has been replaced with a warm benevolent military government that will of course hold free and fair elections 'when the time is right'. So that's alright then. Everything peaceful. Muslim Brotherhood? Never heard of them.

Are the protesters doing victory laps yet?

Chas

BlueStreak 02-11-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 54487)
Are the protesters doing victory laps yet?

Chas

Apparently. Dumbasses.

BlueStreak 02-11-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Combwork (Post 54485)
Whoppee! That nasty Egyptian dictator has been replaced with a warm benevolent military government that will of course hold free and fair elections 'when the time is right'. So that's alright then. Everything peaceful. Muslim Brotherhood? Never heard of them.

And when was the last time a Militarist Government ended up being anything but a------------------brutal dictatorship? Yeah, you'll have your Jeffersonian Democracy------maybe, some day----when we feel like it---or maybe not---Just remember, we are the military, rise up against us and we'll napalm your your angry crowds of protesters.:rolleyes:

Dave

Charles 02-11-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 54489)
Apparently. Dumbasses.

You're right, they are.

Wonder if those rubes play poker?

Chas

piece-itpete 02-11-2011 12:56 PM

My sincere congrats to the folks in Eygpt. May God help them all.

Pete

merrylander 02-11-2011 01:01 PM

Don't forget that the Egyptian military is a conscript army. Someday they will be civilians again, why would they want to go backward, after all they are Egyptians not Teapublicans.:rolleyes:

Charles 02-11-2011 01:03 PM

As time goes on, I'm beginning to relate more and more to the old Eyetie in the whorehouse in "Catch 22".

Chas

piece-itpete 02-11-2011 01:14 PM

Israel must be having a cow.

Pete

finnbow 02-11-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 54490)
And when was the last time a Militarist Government ended up being anything but a------------------brutal dictatorship?

Chile, Argentina, the Philippines, Guatemala, Panama, .....

Hmmm. I see a trend here. All of these military dictatorships were propped up by us as well.

Charles 02-11-2011 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 54504)
Israel must be having a cow.

Pete

I think that having the military retain control is the best that Israel could hope for.

Chas

piece-itpete 02-11-2011 01:31 PM

Agreed.

Thinking about it, I bet the entire world ruling elite is having a cow, but Egypts' military is part of it.

During their announcement I was hoping they were saying 'in the days ahead, anyone who is for sharia is against our people', but lunch was over before they translated it.

Pete

Charles 02-11-2011 02:23 PM

Hopefully, this will somehow work out to be a positive thing for those in the Middle East.

Chas

Fast_Eddie 02-11-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 54523)
Hopefully, this will somehow work out to be a positive thing for those in the Middle East.

Chas

I was real nervous at first, but I'm more hopeful this may be the case. We'll see. But I sure agree, those folks in the street might shoulda hung out 'till a date for elections was set at least. I'm not 100% sure this is over. I'm leaning that way, but military folks in that part of the world do have a bit of a record of kinda just taking over.

doucanoe 02-11-2011 06:11 PM

Clapper's statements about the Muslim Brotherhood being just a secular umbrella group and nothing to be concerned about should put everyones mind at rest.

BlueStreak 02-12-2011 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by doucanoe (Post 54532)
Clapper's statements about the Muslim Brotherhood being just a secular umbrella group and nothing to be concerned about should put everyones mind at rest.

Not.

Dave

Charles 02-12-2011 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by doucanoe (Post 54532)
Clapper's statements about the Muslim Brotherhood being just a secular umbrella group and nothing to be concerned about should put everyones mind at rest.

Who was that other illuminary who admitted that he formulated his response from data he gleaned from watching the tevee news?

Chas

BlueStreak 02-12-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 54513)
Agreed.

Thinking about it, I bet the entire world ruling elite is having a cow, but Egypts' military is part of it.

During their announcement I was hoping they were saying 'in the days ahead, anyone who is for sharia is against our people', but lunch was over before they translated it.

Pete

Oh, they are. Especially OUR government. How do you congratulate a people for overthrowing a ruthless tyrant------that you installed and supported for thirty years, and the whole world knows it?:rolleyes:

I hate to say it, but we've done a lot of that, haven't we?

Dave

doucanoe 02-12-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 54539)
Who was that other illuminary who admitted that he formulated his response from data he gleaned from watching the tevee news?

Chas



Hmm, not sure but hopefully he didn't have the title of anything similar to National Intelligence Director.

Charles 02-12-2011 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by doucanoe (Post 54549)
Hmm, not sure but hopefully he didn't have the title of anything similar to National Intelligence Director.

I think it was more like the Director of the CIA, but I can't remember offhand.

Chas

finnbow 02-12-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 54550)
I think it was more like the Director of the CIA, but I can't remember offhand.

Chas

Yep. It was Leon Panetta, the CIA chief. The intelligence operations of the CIA are friggin' awful. They didn't predict the downfall of the Soviet Union, they forecast WMD's in Iraq (a slam dunk), and seemed clueless with regard to Egypt. In a recent book detailing the history of the CIA, A Legacy of Ashes, it asserts that the CIA has almost got nothing right in its history. In fact, we never had a double agent within the KGB that wasn't discovered and executed. Not a single one.

merrylander 02-12-2011 12:36 PM

There was a recent flap about people in the CIA who make serious errors just getting a slap on the wrist but staying in place. the not for profit I worked for a number of years back had CIA represented I must say the guy did not impress me.

merrylander 02-12-2011 12:41 PM

It seems that the army brass told Mubarak he was out and he agreed. Then as someone put it "He called an audible" and said he was staying. From what I hear the army then went to the presidential palace and put him out. I do not imagine the army has too many Muslim Brothrthood members, so they may be hard put to get a foot in the door. Used to work with an Egyptian lady - software engineer - she sure did not dress like the muslim women.

Combwork 02-13-2011 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 54553)
Yep. It was Leon Panetta, the CIA chief. The intelligence operations of the CIA are friggin' awful. They didn't predict the downfall of the Soviet Union, they forecast WMD's in Iraq (a slam dunk), and seemed clueless with regard to Egypt. In a recent book detailing the history of the CIA, A Legacy of Ashes, it asserts that the CIA has almost got nothing right in its history. In fact, we never had a double agent within the KGB that wasn't discovered and executed. Not a single one.

"In fact, we never had a double agent within the KGB that wasn't discovered and executed. Not a single one."

How would we know that? By definition, anyone not discovered would not be known about.

finnbow 02-13-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Combwork (Post 54570)
"In fact, we never had a double agent within the KGB that wasn't discovered and executed. Not a single one."

How would we know that? By definition, anyone not discovered would not be known about.

This came from the book I referenced. Read it if you want a sinking feeling in your stomach about our intelligence capabilities.

merrylander 02-13-2011 09:44 AM

I always thought central intelligence was an oxymoron.

piece-itpete 02-14-2011 12:59 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying caviar and roses, I just hope something good comes of it.

Sure caught Obama's admin flatfooted.

Pete


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