Fox needs to be stopped!
 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-g...ry?id=12571452

Congresswomen shot and near death.

Enlighten me. What has FOX got to do with this?

figure it out


the only surprise is that this has not happened sooner

You explain it please.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...e-20-goes-down

http://www.mountainofevidence.com/20...of+Evidence%29

'Get on target for victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Take back the 20. Reload.'

maybe someone (jared laughner ?)took it (the '2nd amendment remedy') seriously. doh!

thanks I am well aware

the reason I did not call her out on it first is that she is just too stupid to understand the ramifications of her actions. This is not the case at Fox.

Fox got what they wanted.

Are you kidding me? Giffords Shooting Prompts Bipartisan Show of Support and Grief There is something very wrong with those people for sure.

Do any of you think that for a moment that the GOP along with their operatives and enablers will have a cathartic moment and start toning down their 2nd Amendment reactionary rhetoric? I don't. They will certainly protest loudly against anyone thinking that their rhetoric incites this sort of shit, but they won't halt for a minute.

phony mother fuckers

fox is truly anti american

they are the biggest single threat to America not al qaeda

the best defense is a good offense

how they will react to this is obvious

Well, I'm no fan of FOX and think they are a real problem. And I'm sure a case could be made that they give maniacs like this some kind of affirmation. But there are more direct statements that I think are more offensive, and in the light of today's events, I hope people will see why we thought they were inappropriate at the time.

First of all, Sarah Palin's gun target map, one of which targeted Giffords, doesn't look so innocent anymore. We all said at the time that it suggested something more than defeating those Democrats politically. I hope now people can look back and say, yes, we probably shouldn't use that kind of symbolism when "targeting" political opponents.

Second, when Sharron Angle talked about a "Second Amendment Solution" a lot of us though that was going too far. There's no question that she emboldened people who think it's a perfectly reasonable option to take up arms against those they disagree with politically. I'm not sure that what happened today isn't exactly what she was calling for.

I'll keep an open mind until I read more. I've been building a fence all day so haven't seen anything on TV. But I'll be shocked if we don't find out over the next few days that this guy was indeed some right wing nut case who is all bent out of shape about illegals. And the irony will be lost on many. Shooting people is illegal. What part of illegal doesn't he understand? If you want to change the political landscape in the United States, that's fine, but *do it legal!*.

I once said on here that some of us liberals get uncomfortable around red necks with guns because every now and then one of us ends up dead. I was told that was silly and I wasn't being realistic. Well, maybe not.

Sad day.

“We need to realize that the rhetoric, and the firing people up and for example, I'm on Sarah Palin’s ‘targeted’ list, but the thing is, the way she has it depicted, we’re in the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve gotta realize that there are consequences to that action.”
~~U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords

Now that's a little haunting.

The GOP's strategy of describing Democratic policy positions in existential, even apocalyptic, terms seems to have consequences. However, it's their strategy for capturing the white, middle (and lower) class vote. If a few people get killed in the process, so be it.

How many people on the right will play the game, "what do you mean Fox and teabag talk is responsible?"

On 911 everyone new we were under attack by the radical Moslem's, today we all know that moderate and progressive Americas are under attack by teabags.

It is time for the "real" real Americans to fight back.

Where is Rod Serling when you need him?

why do you need him?

and I hope sarah is arrested for her roll in this

Don't hold your breath. Her indignation resulting from people even thinking she had a role in inciting this will make her even more popular. There's no such thing as bad publicity for people like her. She's the Paris Hilton of politics after all.

I can imagine that the news from FOX will be reminiscent of the shootings at Virginia Tech. You will have Hannity and O'Reilly saying that something like this should not bring in to question any type of gun control regulation and that it is the act of a crazed individual. Albeit, an individual that was likely enraged/excited due to the latest right movement of the Tea Party that FOX proclaimed as a grass roots movement to establish smaller government.

OK, I'll play it.

Fox News, Sarah Palin, the Tea Baggers, the VRWC, ect. had nothing to do with the actions of this wacko.

If you view the crapola he has posted to the net, I think about the only conclusion that can be truly drawn is that the shooter is mentally ill.

Chas

It's getting pretty uncivil here at the Kos.

Chas

Chas, I agree. This most likely was a deranged individual acting crazily for what he thought was right. However, the confrontational and divisive news reporting in the United States can certainly be drawn into the equation particularly in a state that has been in such a crazed political environment as Arizona in the past year or two.

http://i.imgur.com/Uw4RS.jpg

His Youtube video did have a bit of a Pink Floyd vibe going on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=artslot

Kinda like Syd Barrett meets The Wall.

That said, a wacko like this wouldn't be incited by civil discourse.

Good God Chas, Sarah made her a target, many people predicted this would happen as a result.

Of course the kid is nuts but that is exactly who Sarah was talking to.

They, Fox News, Sarah Palin, the Tea Baggers, had everything to do with it. Why do the people on the right scream personal responsibility and never accept any?

Let's line this up with The Wizard of Oz and get some purple haze in here:cool:.

" figure it out."

I blame you for your hate filled posts. You need to take responsibility for this wacko's actions. It's your values that sent him over the edge.

OK JJ that's how we will do it

For the record when you asked me and I replied as such it was because you were playing the "what do you mean Fox and teabag talk is responsible?" game.

I have no clue what your reference to Serling is about.

at this point I don't care.

I can't believe the first response from the right is totally void of responsibility, ever here where I would expect more.


alright, I am done here.

Come on Noon, I suspect this guy would have rather shot Palin. I also suspect that he spend more time listening to the voices in his head than Fox News.

Now let's suppose for a second that his actions were politically motivated, which they undoubtedly were. Did he shoot Giffords because she was too liberal, or too conservative? And how about the Republican judge, I understand he wasn't even scheduled to be there? And the nine year old girl, what was his beef with her? And everyone else?

I also understand that a couple of his favorite books were The Communist Manifesto and Mien Kampf. Not exactly on the baggers book of the week list, do you think?

You might not be so quick to disparage the rhetoric from the right, this lulu may have been more influenced by the rhetoric from the left.

You guys on the left can stir up shit with the best of 'em. Tea Baggers, it's good to see that you fellows haven't bowed at the alter of political correctness.

Chas

Well JJ, I guess we might as well fess up...he was working for us.

Next time we need to hire someone who's not a complete dumbass!!!

Chas

Yeah... I guess so. It's so hard to find a competent assassin!;)

I hope to talk with you more.

Without too much hyperbole or vitriol, I think this sums up the situation fairly well.

“It is fair to say — in today’s political climate, and given today’s political rhetoric — that many have contributed to the building levels of vitriol in our political discourse that have surely contributed to the atmosphere in which this event transpired,” said a statement issued by the leaders of the National Jewish Democratic Council. Ms. Giffords is the first Jewish woman elected to the House from her state.

"Vitriol"?

I take a shot of it every day...use it to wash down my Carters Little Liver Pills.

Now if your premise is that it takes two to tango, with the conclusion being that at times it fires up the wrong hayseed, I shall willingly concede.

No one has ever lost an argument on the basis of being polite.

And offering a personal insult to your opponent is not being polite.

Chas

Bullet in the back of the head is downright rude.

That's a fact.

Chas

I have to say it;

I have long thought the tone of folks like Palin, Beck, and Angle (To name a few.) to be wholly and entirely irresponsible. No, none of these individuals ordered that nutjob to go shoot those people. No, none of them have commited a crime, per se.
But to insist that their speech and inferrences made within that speech isn't dangerous, is do deny the obvious. When prominent and popular personalities make speeches in public, they must bear in mind that unstable and crazed individuals may be listening, and choose their words accordingly. One can express support for gun ownership (For example) without using inflammatory and wreckless statements about "second amendment options", etc.

Have the right wing pundits and politicians broken any laws? Not unless it's illegal to be a colossal ass. Unethical is not illegal.

Sadly, I believe if they don't give such speech and inferrences a rest that there will be more of these tragedies to come. My guess is they will carry on, stupidly refusing to admit any complicity. Because that's how someone with a bloated ego thinks.

Dave

Avid Fox News viewers throughout US History:

Richard Lawrence
John Wilkes Booth
Charles J. Guiteau
Leon Czolgosz
John Schrank
Giuseppe Zangara
Oscar Collazo
Griselio Torresola
Lee Harvey Oswald
Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme
John Hinckley, Jr

Mark David Chapman was probably a big-time Fox News fan too. Let's throw him on the list, just to be consistent.

Samir Shabazz is a pretty hate-filled SOB. I bet he watches his share of Fox News.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Will you also concede that when Fox/Palin/Talk Radio spew their venom that they're doing it to influence people? The trouble is that there are plenty of "wrong hayseeds" out there that take this stuff as a call to action to "take their country back." With a concerted effort to label Dem's as Communists, Socialists, Nazis, baby-killers, foreigners, America-haters, Muslim terrorists, white-haters, death panel moderators...... and their policies as an existential threat to the country, why are we surprised that some hayseeds take this shit literally?

In the words of the Pima County Sheriff (almost certainly a Republican):

“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

In other words, you reap what you sow.