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CarlV 01-04-2011 06:39 PM

Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act
 
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Aiming to link the rollback effort to job creation, Republicans named the bill “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1A7FlOhxh

Are you kidding me? This is what is going into the history books? :p

finnbow 01-04-2011 06:56 PM

From the same @ssholes who brought us the Patriot Act. What a bunch of jingoistic dickheads. This is certain to appeal to their base, however.

Charles 01-04-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49012)
From the same @ssholes who brought us the Patriot Act. What a bunch of jingoistic dickheads. This is certain to appeal to their base, however.

Absolutely correct.

They are simply throwing red meat to the least astute section of their base, the one's who don't realize that this has no chance of passing.

Chas

CarlV 01-04-2011 08:21 PM

So the bill title, besides being dorky, is legal even though it is an outright lie is and at best considered an opinion?

finnbow 01-04-2011 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 49016)
So the bill title, besides being dorky, is legal even though it is an outright lie is and at best considered an opinion?

Sure. When did it become illegal for Congress to lie?

CarlV 01-04-2011 11:03 PM

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Experts agree that many small businesses would bear a relatively small burden because of the various forms of assistance the bill provides – particularly the exemption for those with payrolls of $500,000 or less. Small employers that already offer coverage would actually benefit, in Lewin’s estimate: Their costs would decrease by an average of $362 per employee for businesses with 10 to 24 employees and $829 per employee for businesses with fewer than 10 workers.

Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow at the liberal Urban Institute, told FactCheck.org that the legislation can help small businesses that want to provide coverage but don’t because of the cost. The insurance exchange, open to businesses with fewer than 100 employees within three years of enactment, would give small businesses an opportunity to buy policies with pricetags similar to what large businesses are getting. With fewer employees, those businesses aren’t currently able to pool risk with healthy and not-so-healthy employees the way large firms can. "When competing for labor," Blumberg says, "they’re at a real disadvantage."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/hea...d-the-economy/
Yep, those are pretty much the facts I remembered Factcheck.org putting forth and I suppose it is possible that some employer(s) might let some go without any real grounds to do so but certainly nothing like what these factless opponents make it out to be.

BlueStreak 01-05-2011 12:20 AM

Children. The immature antics of their pundits have reached Capitol Hill. I can't help but think our new congress is going to do nothing but make complete asses of themselves.

If you think it's been bad up to this point, you aint seen nuthin' yet.

Congress has been a zoo for a while. But, now the monkeys have taken over.
The acidic hate spewing internet blog troll, and the imbecile who thinks God punishes sodomites with earthquakes are now our congressional representatives.

Get yourself a funnel cake, step into the big tent, the show is about to begin................

Dave

merrylander 01-05-2011 07:15 AM

Don't you love farce.:p

Charles 01-05-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49012)
From the same @ssholes who brought us the Patriot Act. What a bunch of jingoistic dickheads. This is certain to appeal to their base, however.

Come to think of it, I thought Ears and the Donks were going to repeal the Patriot Act and close Guantanamo, among other things.

Looks like they're moving in the wrong direction.

Chas

piece-itpete 01-05-2011 02:44 PM

They were against it before they were for it.

Pete

Charles 01-05-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 49092)
They were against it before they were for it.

Pete

Seems to work both ways for the long ears.

Chas

finnbow 01-05-2011 02:52 PM

Lifted from the NYTimes:

"Those who had hoped to see a glimpse of the much-advertised Republican plan to revive the economy and put Americans back to work will have to wait at least until party leaders finish their Beltway insider ritual of self-glorification .... The Republicans’ antics are a ghastly waste of time at a moment when the nation is expecting real leadership from Congress, and suggest that the new House leadership is still unable to make tough choices. Voters, no less than drama critics, prefer substance to overblown theatrics."

QFT.

Fast_Eddie 01-05-2011 02:56 PM

I'm glad they're not wasting time with symbolic votes.

merrylander 01-05-2011 03:50 PM

Considering that during their eight years the GOP amply demonstrated that they can't find their collective arse with both hands and a flashlight what else do you guys expect?:D

finnbow 01-05-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 49109)
Considering that during their eight years the GOP amply demonstrated that they can't find their collective arse with both hands and a flashlight what else do you guys expect?:D

But they sure are pleased with themselves, aren't they?

merrylander 01-06-2011 07:43 AM

Pride goeth before a fall.

piece-itpete 01-06-2011 07:53 AM

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Sounds familiar....

Pete

finnbow 01-06-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 49160)
Sounds familiar....

Pete

After the GOP's recent antics, methinks Obama will rise up from the ashes in 2012. Bet on it.

d-ray657 01-06-2011 08:38 AM

Interesting who they had as the favorite for the GOP presidential nomination. Maybe that's why they had Obama as such a big favorite overall.

Regards,

D-Ray

piece-itpete 01-06-2011 09:13 AM

Blocked.

It's all about the economy, and how the public perceives the healthcare thing imo.

Gosh, for a party that was finished in 08 we're really causing you guys a lot of trouble :)

Pete

finnbow 01-06-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 49167)
Blocked.

It's all about the economy, and how the public perceives the healthcare thing imo.

Gosh, for a party that was finished in 08 we're really causing you guys a lot of trouble :)

Pete

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piece-itpete 01-06-2011 10:12 AM

Biden, Petraeus (interesting), Giuliani?, Ron Paul??!

I vote Santa Claus ;)

Pete

noonereal 01-06-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49170)
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so, other than Obie, Sarah and Hillary are the favs.

I'd love to see these two run against each other.

It would be the ultimate catfight.

They would clearly bring out the worst in each other.

CarlV 01-06-2011 02:41 PM

Hillary would make Sarah cry lol.



Today's news:
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Blue Shield of California is seeking another round of rate hikes that would mean a cumulative increase averaging over 30 percent over a five-month span for nearly 200,000 policy holders, reports Wednesday said.
The latest hike was set to take effect March 1 pending approval from California regulators, to go with other increases that took place Oct. 1 and Jan. 1, the Los Angeles Times reported.
The San Francisco-based insurer blames the new rates on rising health care costs.
"We raise rates only when absolutely necessary to pay the accelerating cost of medical care for our members," the company told customers last month.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1AHzybbmg
Yeah, sure mac. :rolleyes:

merrylander 01-06-2011 02:54 PM

The paper said this was one of the better years and that costs had only risen 4%.

d-ray657 01-06-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 49225)
The paper said this was one of the better years and that costs had only risen 4%.

The problem is that they now have to pay 80% of the premiums toward health care costs, and they want to make their 20% bigger.

Regards,

D-Ray

CarlV 01-06-2011 06:34 PM

I know it has been 70% here. VA does administrative costs for 7% like the rest of the world, private industry 20-30%, and then some want to tell me the government can't do anything efficiently and expect me to believe it?
Yeah, sure mac. :p

Charles 01-06-2011 08:16 PM

Government health insurance.

I favor single payer, (my lib buddy looked at me like I had two heads when I told him this...he had preconcieved notions), but we may as well come to the conclusion that it will have to be a two tiered system.

Basic healthcare for all, you can see a pill roller, if your appendix has to go, so be it.

Half a mill liver transplants, bone marrow transplants, things like that, I'm not so sure about. People need to come the the realization that they're going to die, and life ain't fair.

Personally, I have less fear of dying than letting the sawbones TRY to fix me.

If the rich want to be rebuilt as many time as my old Dodge, that's fine with me.

I only hope that when I've played my last card the game ends quickly. Or being stuck in a nursing home QUICKLY draining the assets of my loved ones. Or even the taxpayer...I don't deserve it.

And should I go to the grave without so much as a cul-de-sac named after me...does it really matter?

Homo sapiens are probably the most disposable asset of the Planet Earth.

Problem is, we're too smart to realize it.

Hell, we think we're important!!!

Chas

finnbow 01-06-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 49254)
Government health insurance.

I favor single payer, (my lib buddy looked at me like I had two heads when I told him this...he had preconcieved notions), but we may as well come to the conclusion that it will have to be a two tiered system.

Basic healthcare for all, you can see a pill roller, if your appendix has to go, so be it.

Half a mill liver transplants, bone marrow transplants, things like that, I'm not so sure about. People need to come the the realization that they're going to die, and life ain't fair.

i.e., Death Panels.:eek:

Of course this is essential to affordable health care. However, it's such a volatile issue that it would provide the necessary ammo for opponents to kill the reform without breaking a sweat.

Remember Terry Schiavo?:rolleyes:

Charles 01-06-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49256)
i.e., Death Panels.:eek:

Of course this is essential to affordable health care. However, it's such a volatile issue that it would provide the necessary ammo for opponents to kill the reform without breaking a sweat.

Remember Terry Schiavo?:rolleyes:

I remember...one of the most disgusting examples of assholes butting into someone elses business I've ever seen.

I can see why our masters travel in armored limousines.

Had anyone done that to me, they would have damn well needed one.

Chas

d-ray657 01-06-2011 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 49258)
I remember...one of the most disgusting examples of assholes butting into someone elses business I've ever seen.

I can see why our masters travel in armored limousines.

Had anyone done that to me, they would have damn well needed one.

Chas

South Park gave their own special touch to the Schiavo story. It's a little over 20 minutes but some darn fine satire.

Regards,

D-Ray

BlueStreak 01-07-2011 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49256)
i.e., Death Panels.:eek:

Of course this is essential to affordable health care. However, it's such a volatile issue that it would provide the necessary ammo for opponents to kill the reform without breaking a sweat.

Remember Terry Schiavo?:rolleyes:

Yes, that poor woman.

I can't imagine the indignity of having that grinning asshole Hannity use such misfortune for his feigned concern and blatant political grandstanding. Her husband should have driven to New York, barged into the FauxNews studio and busted a cap in his ass in front of the cameras. I would have crapped my pants from laughing so hard.

Dave

merrylander 01-07-2011 07:22 AM

Regarding transplants has it ever occured to y'all that there is a slight disconnect between them urging the public to sign the organ "donation' part of their driver's license and the outrageous charges the doctors and hospitals make? You might think that they could do a little donating also.

No I did not sign mine, by the time I am through with my organs they will be so used up a dog would not want them.

finnbow 01-07-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 49264)
Yes, that poor woman.

I can't imagine the indignity of having that grinning asshole Hannity use such misfortune for his feigned concern and blatant political grandstanding. Her husband should have driven to New York, barged into the FauxNews studio and busted a cap in his ass in front of the cameras. I would have crapped my pants from laughing so hard.

Dave

Bill Frist's (R-Tenn) diagnosis from afar was the icing on the cake. It's silly stunts like this that drove me away from the GOP about 10 years ago. They've taken pandering and manipulation to new lows and their message seems to be designed for clueless people of 7th grade mentality. Whenever I think they can't go any lower insulting peoples' intelligence with their drivel, they serve up something else.

Now, it seems there's a new GOP rule that they have to use the words "job-killing" in every sentence. Give it a friggin' rest, gents.

merrylander 01-07-2011 10:19 AM

At least come spring they will have provided enough fertilizer for the kitchen garden that I will not need to buy any.

BlueStreak 01-07-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49282)
Bill Frist's (R-Tenn) diagnosis from afar was the icing on the cake. It's silly stunts like this that drove me away from the GOP about 10 years ago. They've taken pandering and manipulation to new lows and their message seems to be designed for clueless people of 7th grade mentality. Whenever I think they can't go any lower insulting peoples' intelligence with their drivel, they serve up something else.

Now, it seems there's a new GOP rule that they have to use the words "job-killing" in every sentence. Give it a friggin' rest, gents.

Why (job killing) what are you (job killing) talking about, Finn? (Job killer.)
Are you seriously saying (Job killing.) that the GOP would resort (Kenyan) to such a thing (Socialist)? I mean, I have seen no (Muslim) evidence of such a thing. I mean President Barrack (HUSSEIN!) Obama loves his country (KENYA!) just as much as I do. Are you seriously suggesting (Stalinist!) Conservatives would smear (NAZI!) and spread falsehoods (JOB KILlING COMMUNIST NAZI!)? That's ridiculous, they just (Job killing) love America and want the best for our children, (You baby murdering, left wing radical, America hating, sodomite who wants to build death camps and gas all of the white folks.:eek:).

Dave

finnbow 01-07-2011 11:23 AM

I'll cop to a bit of plagiarism on my "job-killing" rant. It appeared in a Steve Pearlstein piece that Rob mentioned earlier:

"Type "job killing" into Google and you'll get more than 1.2 million hits. On the Factiva news database, it comes up 11,115 times during 2009 and 2010, compared with 1,373 times during the previous two years. A Republican talking point, a Fox News broadcast or a Chamber of Commerce press release is now incomplete without it.

What's so curious is that it's hard to find almost any Republican concern about employment homicide during 2008, when George W. Bush was president and the economy was shedding 4.4 million jobs. Given the lag with which economic policy works, the biggest net job loss that could credibly be assigned to Obama during his two years in office would be less than a million."


I guess job-killing was OK under Dubya because it was patriotic, God-fearing job-killing.:cool:

merrylander 01-07-2011 11:46 AM

Shh, let them keep up their inane blathering, accomplishing nowt and come 2012 we can watch the bloodshed. It will make 2008 look tame.:D

Maybe they had better appeal to O'Donnell, a little witchcraft might help them out about now.

BlueStreak 01-07-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 49318)
I guess job-killing was OK under Dubya because it was patriotic, God-fearing job-killing.:cool:

That's right. You've got it.

Dave

CarlV 01-08-2011 11:02 AM

So I was looking at the news this morning and saw this
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Cost of healthcare repeal put at $230 billion http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-he...tory?track=rss
And so I thought I would look for a same Jan 7 article at Fox and saw this
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House Clears Way for Floor Vote on Health Care Law Repeal
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1ASn3bA9A
Not a peep to their tea bagger public how much pushing the GOP agenda will cost the country and how their bagger reps would break the tea party agenda to vote for it. :p
It will be interesting to see if these baggers do what they say they came to do or follow into submission to Lord Boehner and vote to increase the deficit which they promised not to do.


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