NK to world - screw you!
 

The charming NKers gave their southern brethern some presents as you know, being the kind warmhearted people they are.

We'd rather not start ww3, and I don't think China wants to, yet. Maybe they're not ready.

But no response strikes me as appeasement. Perhaps at least take out the offending launch sites, immediately?

Pete

south Korea did respond. They fired back and sent more rockets north than came south. It is also "estimated" that they were far more N Korean causalities.

Ah, I was underinformed then. Thanks.

Still begs the question though - what the hell were they thinking, and why isn't China reining them in?

Pete

my guess is China is and has

we'll find out

The conventional wisdom, FWIW, is that NK is doing two things - rallying the country around their new leader (baby Kim) , thereby solidifying his hold on the country and doing what they can to get one-on-one negotiations with us. They want face-to-face with the US only, whereas we want China, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea involved in discussions/negotiations. They feel that dealing with us one-on-one increases the stature of their nation and their leader when compared to being part of a group grope.

This whole thing is about consolidating support within NK against a common enemy (us). This strategy is as old as the hills. Just look at how unified we were (for a few weeks, anyway) after 9/11. BTW, NK announced to its people that SK fired the first shots and that they were just defending the homeland against incursions from US-backed SK. Simple, really.

As for China reining them in, China has less control on NK than we think. This strategy being employed by NK government is to create an existential threat to consolidate its hold on power. Political survival is more important to NK than the possibility of a Chinese spanking.

Clinton made him pretty happy along these lines but George destroyed all progress that had been made within days.

Jimmy Carter tries to explain NK's motivation in an op-ed piece in today's WaPost.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1

sound eerily similar to Iraq before Bush attacked.

Maybe we should understand their concerns?

Every time they rattled their sabres they got some concession according to a NK "expert" on PBS last night, and he figures that is mainly all they are doing now.

You have to love the NK lady news anchor, she is a riot.

Finnbow said it.


North Korea is fascinating to me. I would love to go there. I dont think that there is a more insane country on this Earth.
The Great Leader and permanent President, Kim Il Sung, and his son, the Dear Leader and Party Chairman, Kim Jong Il, have brainwashed the isolated North Koreans for over 50 years.

A truly surreal and mysterious state.

(Yes, I am a nerd :p)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ6E3cShcVU

Interesting take.

I suppose if it ever reaches the point that I'm no longer welcome in Bugtussell, I can move there and run for dictator.

Chas

It is much to easy to brainwash people. Look at all the damage Fox has done to our once great country.

Amazing the effect isolating people from the real world, then filling them with fear of everything and everyone "outside" can have, isn't it?

I suppose the Communist leaders are just concerned about protecting their North Korean "exceptionalism".

Crazy, crazy, crazy...........

Dave

Thank you for joining in Noon.

I was beginning to worry that I was the only one who didn't have a life, especially on Thanksgiving.

Chas

BTW, I wouldn't want to omit Blue and his round noggin!!!

Chas

The titles Dear Leader and Great Leader have already been taken. What would you be? :p

Hadn't really though about, but if they're all totally insane, they should be able to find an executive position for me somewhere.

Unless they're afraid that I'll "out crazy" 'em.

Chas

This is 100% Obama's fault. His solid support of rogue countries has been a green light to become aggressive. The guy is a terrorist at heart.

yeah, that's what it is

God bless

[QUOTE=djv8ga;45647]This is 100% Obama's fault.[QUOTE]

Isn't everything? In your opinion, anyways?:rolleyes:

Actually, I would agree with you (somewhat) on the content of your reply, if you had said you thought his response was weak. It was. The situation called for much stronger warnings to NK than what it got.

But, I think there is more to it than that. I think the entire world is watching the U.S. grow weaker every year. And, I think it started long before Mr. Obama came along. The compromise in Korea the first time. The way the Vietnam war was fought, and lost. Now, this debacle in Afghanistan, wherein we fight a bunch of yahoos riding donkeys for seven years and accomplish all too little. The way a handfull of religious freaks with boxknives and airline tickets nearly drove us to our knees. The way Americans can't even handle the pressure of being hassled at the airport without bitching like a bunch of schoolgirls.

Is it any wonder why the rest of the world is beginning to see us a big joke?
Kind of like a schizophrenic giant who spends more time fighting the voices in his own head, than he spends fighting his enemies.:(

Dave

I would argue that it was the policies of George .W. Bush which set back negotiations with North Korea so dramatically.

We've come a long way from Clintons Secretary of State visiting the country as an honoured guest to Bushs rhetoric about the 'Axis of Evil'.

It was George Bush who undid all of the Clintons administrations work on this... Against the wishes of the South Koreans at the time, I might add.

When relations are so severed, such aggresive actions can hardly be punished at all.

nothing to argue that is a fact

Yep.

Dave

Boosch did it, huh?

The last time I looked, there was a new sheriff in town. And the Obama Administration has had two years to establish a diplomatic dichotomy with Krazy Kim, but he's worse now than he's ever been.

Besides, he's just a wild card our bankers are holding, although I suspect that he may be just a little TOO wild for even their tastes.

Chas

And now it looks like his son may follow him in office.:eek:

yes, pretty much.

It looks like Twinkies may work as a secret weapon against the new supreme ruler.'

I've read that people have gone to prison for setting a cup of coffee down on a picture of the old man. Just think how dangerous fat jokes are going to be now.

Regards,

D-Ray

NK was already trying to re-milk things when Clinton was still in office. Bush Bush Bush Bush, your boy's off the hook huh? I see it's working really well.

Kimberly, as the hispanic boy I know would say, he's 30-30 :D

Pete

True. But that doesnt negate the harm that Bush did to the situation. After Bush, the North Koreans trust in America plummeted. You can not underplay that and then accuse me of being biased.

Djv8ga said that the recent military actvities of NK were 100% Obamas fault. I hope you can see that this is not the case.

I dont think that anyone would say that relations between North Korea and the United States were harmonious during the Clinton era. I simply said that Bush, against the wishes of the South Koreans, ruined all the work that Clinton did to create a lasting peace in that region.

I dont know what you're talking about. I am completely lost. Please explain?

Gotta love dynastic successions.

Karl,

I was speaking of China.

Chas

Now our military exercises are provocative. Maybe we should fire some missiles over NK.

Pete

Here is some fun. :p
http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/page/1


Carl

We will never "...establish a dichotomy with Krazy Kim....", he's a lunatic, presiding over a nation that sees him as a God. A God to which they have nothing to be thankfull for. The entire situation is insane. Go to YouTube and search "North Korea" and lose yourself in the madness. I personally think anyone who calls our government "Totalitarian Socialist" should be required to see that shit. They will learn to shut their ignorant pie holes and appreciate what we have.

Dave

Its a dishonest way to look at things. I will not be thankful that my father only hits me once a night because next doors kid gets hit twice.

I couldn't agree more.

Chas

The things that some people are calling totalitarian here are things that, are well-intentioned whether one agrees with the methods of not. Actually, our most coercive activity - taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan, is the type of thing that those crying socialism support. Many of those same people, however, don't worry about loss of freedom in the bedroom or in the "smoking parlor" when they want to outlaw private conduct.

Regards,

D-Ray

Correct, Don.

Since when does a real "Socialist" take hundreds of billions from the tax payer---and give it to---billionaires? And then fight to protect tax cuts for---billionaires---on top of the handouts? Redistribution of wealth? Uh, yep---from the middle class to the incredibly wealthy. Redistribution in astronomical sums.

All because we are worried that the richest among us---don't have enough. That if we don't give them what they want, they'll be displeased with us......................:confused:

If you think about it long enough, it will drive you insane.

Dave

Government force is only justified if it's used to take money from the wealthy?

Pete

Fixed it for ya.

Fixed it again.

Dave