What to do about Illegal Aliens ?
 

Should we give amnesty to them and welcome them as citizens ? Or toss em out on their rear. Or maybe you have a stance in the middle, lets hear it.

Let's let them work in our restaurants, on landscaping, and as unskilled construction labor. Oops, they already do.

Seriously though, the logistics of deporting 12 million people is a bit daunting. Adjudicating that many immigration cases at the maximum rate the system can handle will take a couple of decades (if no more come in). I'd say focus on the relative miscreants for now.

:with British accent: Brilliant!

Regards,

D-Ray

send them home

I say we send them home, then wait patiently for Hard Working Great American True Patriot Teabaggers to do the menial work for less than minimum wage and no benefits. (Something tells me we would end up letting them back in............................:rolleyes:)

Dave

I'm generally a very liberal person, but I just can't see how we'd justify giving illegal immigrants amnesty, or driver's licenses, etc. It just doesn't make sense. They've broken the law, unlike all the people trying to get in legitimately.

That said, I don't think there should be some dramatic effort to round them all up and send them home.

Seems to me that if we punish the people that hire the illegals the illegals will begin to deport themselves.

The drivers licenses etc drives me batty, or battier, they are ILLEGAL.

Perhaps the States can pick up the Feds slack. Nope.

We have a relationship with illegals for some reason. But we need to control the border for national security reasons. So codify reality, make what they do legal, and enforce the living hell out of it.

Never happen though....

Pete

That is one point in which we are in complete agreement, sir. Thousands and thousands of employers are profiting off of the substandard wage scale they are able to pay to imported workers. Many of these employers not only hire these workers, they actively recruit them. The employers are not interested in these workers gaining more legitimacy, because their undocumented status makes them easier to exploit.

Regards,

D-Ray

Yep, but these employers happen to be, for the most part, Republicans. Do you see the political will to fine/imprison all these fine, upstanding small businessmen (and donors)? Nah, it's easier to demonize the hispanic fellow trying to feed his family.

I'm with JJIII and D-Ray, especially as I did it all by the book - any idea what an immigration lawyer costs? Free amnesty? Not bloody likely. Sure, Americans will not do the work that they do, Americans do not normally live three families to a single house either. You all would be surprised at just how little it would raise prices if they paid decent salaries. Did we see a drop in new home prices after all the union men were replaced with illegals? No, the builders just pocketed the extra profit.

Why are you so anti-business? Why do you want to punish the "engine of our economy"?:rolleyes:

Dave

We cannot afford to do anything about the situation as it is, and the rate of this illegal immigration is non sustainable like so many things seem to be these days. Hard to say if they will budget anything. Maybe if there were military contracts involved...
This is a real head shaker IMO. Especially since they just raised tuitions 15%.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz15Sw4tRGF

No one thing is going to solve the problem. I would start by:

1. Securing the border, as much as humanly possible.

2. Fine/arrest any employer who knowingly hires illegals...don't tell me that we can't create a database that's not effective.

3. Deport any illegal found here.

4. Revise the laws as necessary to reflect the current situation.

Amnesty will only encourage more illegal behavior.

I will also admit, I had a severe case of the ass whenever I RENEWED my driver's license, here in Bugtussell of all places, and was required to furnish a SSN & a birth certificate, while the State was allowing foreign nationals to APPLY for one with a payroll check stub or a utility bill.

They may have been required to furnish a Green Card as well, but it's plenty easy to buy fakes.

No doubt, Cargill carries more weight at the State Capitol than I do.

Chas

An important question about deporting imported workers - Are the U.S. Citizens willing to pay the freight on increasing the capacity of the INS and the courts to process and deport all such workers. Are we willing to pay the additional cost to add to the border patrol. The system for processing deportations is running at max capacity now. In this era of austerity, will the powers that be double or triple the budget for the immigration enforcement machinery?

Regards,

D-Ray

Might be cheaper in the long run.

Chas

And what politicians are willing to count on something happening "in the long run"? Several will talk a good game, but I don't think many of them are willing to roll the dice on something that will not somehow pay off during their term. See Chas, I'm getting more cynical about Washington than you are.

Regards,

D-Ray

Perhaps we should join forces and start a pessimist club.

Chas

Try this on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States

There seems to be a lot of info that says yes and a lot of info that says no. Where does one go to find the real true story?

We already have laws in place on this subject, seasonal workers: these laws are contrary to the apparent public policy. It's kind of having the cake and eating it too scenario.

It is already formed and I am the president.:rolleyes:

I think neither party really wants to solve the immigration issue for several reasons. The GOP will continue to have the opportunity to appeal to the white, fearful voters in its base and the Dem's to the hispanics in their base. Furthermore, business wants a continuing source of cheap, docile labor and Dem's want hispanic votes.

Stay tuned. Ain't nuttin' meaningful gonna happen.

If nothing happens Finn then both parties have failed their duty to the US. It's a national security issue.

And it's a clear responsibility of the Federal government.

Pete

... and what would be new about that? I'm not saying I'm in favor of nothing. I'm saying inertia is a powerful force.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction -- it''s rocket science.:p

Lol!

I'm not saying you are Finn, just that it's a clear and present national security issue, vs a philisophical or political issue.

Pete

One could interpret your response as saying no matter what they attempt to do, it will have unintended (and opposite from the intended) consequences. I buy that (unfortunately).:(

Give the man a kewpie doll.:D

I've always maintained that a "fast track" to citizenship is about the only workable solution. Require the following:
1) Start with "provisional citizenship"...issue SS#s, start tax witholding, etc.
2) 2 years to master the English language. It's the de facto national tongue...learn it!
3) 2 years to be able to pass an 8th-grade equivalent civics/US history test.
Satisfy these requirements and "Congratulations! You are now a US citizen!"
Don't satisfy them? See ya...off you go to your home country. And...BTW...you leave your tax & SS money behind.

Illegals are here because this is "the promised land"...make it easy.

Put them on a spaceship and send them back to Mars.

Don't forget the $1500 fine, about the cost of a good immigration lawyer.

Promised Land? Yep, they promise you everything but deliver squat.:p

El Presidente has spoken!!!

Chas

Yes we do have many laws in place regarding this, problem is not many are enforced.

I know, lets give all the people who are drawing unemployment an immigration
badge and round them all up and march them to canada along with anyone
who refuses to work. See how long that govt health care works out for them
up there.

We haven't deamonized "illegals" enough. Let's start deamonize American Citizens now. They're all just too lazy to work. That's it.

do you know allot of folks out by you who refuse to work? Here in NEw York we don't have that problem

Is enforcement the issue?
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text....1.1.1.1.25.13

500.30 (a)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this not say, with the proper paperwork, anything goes.

Feel free to read on.

I was not speaking in a hypothetical sense. I know someone that works as an unusual type of "head hunter". I can find you more when I'm really bored.

Noon, that's probably where our differences start. Down here the ones that
own businesses and work are more deserving than the ones that do not work.
I would never be for cutting out some grandmothers check or benifits
but there are some sorry a$$ people that leach off the rest of us around
here. I guess if I lived in New York and saw what you see maybe I would play
the victim also and wish bad luck on the rich. Now I just hope everyday when
I come home from work I do not find my home ransacked by meth heads or
another democrat knocking on my door begging for a vote so they can take
more of what little money I make or cower down in front of some NBA players
threatening not to play unless their demands are met or stab me in the back
with some health care bs.

Jack unemployment there is lower than here, the national debt is nearly non-existent, home ownership is slightly higgher than here and the people are healthier so just maybe they might be doing something right. Oh yeah, they did not have to bail out any banks 'cause they have a better mortgage system - no securitization or derivatives. If you relly want to do summat useful after you round up all the illegals lock them up in Wall Street with the bastards who caused all the unemployment.:rolleyes:

Of course things are better up there. You have a bunch of mostly self reliant
people growing their own food and entertaining themselves for the most part
without having to depend on the govt to guide/support them and without all the
trash we have to keep up.
And by going along with this method of buying overseas products and not
buying local, we are just as guilty as the bastards on wall street. We are
cutting our own throats.